The Impeachment Process Has Officially Begun (25 Viewers)

[Andrus]

By Laura Bassett

After months of internal arguing among Democrats over whether to impeach President Donald Trump, the dam is finally breaking in favor of trying to remove him from office. The Washington Post reported that House Speaker Nancy Pelosi would announce a formal impeachment inquiry on Tuesday, following a bombshell report that Trump illegally asked Ukraine’s government to investigate former Vice President Joe Biden, one of his political opponents. (He essentially admitted to having done so over the weekend.)

“Now that we have the facts, we’re ready,” Pelosi said Tuesday morning at a forum hosted by The Atlantic. At 5 p.m. the same day, she was back with more. "The actions taken to date by the president have seriously violated the constitution, especially when the president says Article Two says I can do whatever I want," referring to the segment of the Constitution that defines the power of the executive branch of the government. Pelosi's message was that checks and balances of those branches are just as central to the Constitution. And one more thing: "Today, I am announcing the House of Representatives is moving forward with an official impeachment inquiry," she said at a conference broadcast on Twitter by the Huffington Post. ...

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[Lazybones]

So do you think it is ok for the President to use his authority to get dirt on opponents or massage his ego?

Should there be any consequences for the president at all?

Where is the line? Should a president be able to do whatever they want and we’re just stuck until the next election?

I’m not sure where The line is. I don’t think this is so something that is impeachable or that uncommon. I don't trust politicians. I don’t trust that trump has altruistic motives, nor do I think schiff and Pelosi have altruistic motives.

this whole deal may have had more legitimacy if the media and the liberal politicians would have treated this president with some inkling of decency after the election.

instead it is one story after another that at the end of the day have little to no impact. It is the old Aesop’s fable. The girl who cried wolf. At this point, we have heard it so many times, it’s just a noise.

I think the democrats and the media lost all credibility pertaining to trump after the mueller circus. That investigation was assured to bury the president, but it didn’t.

Kinda reminds me of The Godfather. Sollozzo took his shot and it didn’t pan out. he attempted to save face and got a bullet in the head. In this circumstance, the assassination attempt was the mueller investigation, the meeting at the restaurant is the impeachment trial. The bullet in the head, TRUMP WINS 2020.

IN MY OPINION!

 

[samiam5211]

Can you give any modern examples of something like this happening before?

I don’t think the way the media handles something has any bearing on its legitimacy. We have facts and testimony.

 

[Lazybones]

Can you give any modern examples of something like this happening before?

I don’t think the way the media handles something has any bearing on its legitimacy. We have facts and testimony.

1. I don’t really see there being much difference in what Biden did or for that matter the dnc and the Steele dossier. I know this isn’t exact, but it paints a picture of the atmosphere in which politicians play.

Also, I remember Bill Clinton meeting with Loretta lynch on the runway of the airport to discuss their grandchildren. Again, this is not the same thing. But for the media and the left to act as if what trump did is the worse atrocity in the world worthy of impeachment just doesn’t move my needle.

2. the media is a wing of the DNC. Unfortunately it does shape our politics and has a weighted finger for sure.

THIS IS MY OPINION BASED ON READING, TALKING, LISTENING ETC (samiam this has nothing to do with you. Some posters squabble if you don’t say it’s your opinion. They throw a fit claiming that by not saying it’s an opinion, it must be being sold as fact. And yes I do have a link if needed. Lol)

 

[Lazybones]

And as an FYI. I have stated this a number of times. I have never liked trump dating back to an article about him in playboy a long time ago. I didn’t like him I’m the apprentice, I didn’t like him in the primaries.

however the way the media and the left treated him reminded me of Bush times 10. when the media blasted bush every day, I didn’t think it was warranted. Limbaugh would say, it doesn’t matter who the republican is, the media will always bash them and praise the democrats. I took this with a grain of salt and marked it off as him being a blow hard and pumping up his base.

well then I grew up observing the media and how it treats R’s vs D’s especially in a presidential race. Is what I have come to learn is that if trump was not elected and Cruz was, it would have been the same treatment. Scandal after scandal, article after article claiming Cruz is a Nazi, hates women and children and is a racist.

so I have grown to appreciate the way trump has handled the vitriol as opposed to bush. W sat back and didn’t fight back. It pissed me off. Now to see trump handle it the way I would, I appreciate it. Now this is not to say that he is holier than thou. I have a full grip of his sins, just like many Hillary voters, yet they were willing to vote her in. Same side of a different coin.

 

[samiam5211]

1. I don’t really see there being much difference in what Biden did or for that matter the dnc and the Steele dossier. I know this isn’t exact, but it paints a picture of the atmosphere in which politicians play.

Also, I remember Bill Clinton meeting with Loretta lynch on the runway of the airport to discuss their grandchildren. Again, this is not the same thing. But for the media and the left to act as if what trump did is the worse atrocity in the world worthy of impeachment just doesn’t move my needle.

2. the media is a wing of the DNC. Unfortunately it does shape our politics and has a weighted finger for sure.

THIS IS MY OPINION BASED ON READING, TALKING, LISTENING ETC (samiam this has nothing to do with you. Some posters squabble if you don’t say it’s your opinion. They throw a fit claiming that by not saying it’s an opinion, it must be being sold as fact. And yes I do have a link if needed. Lol)

What do you think Biden did?

The firing of that prosecutor he bragged about didn’t have anything to do with Hunter. The publicly available facts clearly show that it was supported by the international community.

The prosecutor was corrupt. This was never in dispute. Which is why the Republican controlled Congress didn’t bat an eye at the time.

If Biden acted corruptly, why didn’t the Republicans say something at the time?

 

[Lazybones]

What do you think Biden did?

The firing of that prosecutor he bragged about didn’t have anything to do with Hunter. The publicly available facts clearly show that it was supported by the international community.

The prosecutor was corrupt. This was never in dispute. Which is why the Republican controlled Congress didn’t bat an eye at the time.

If Biden acted corruptly, why didn’t the Republicans say something at the time?

I think you are missing the point. All three of the actions I listed had some under handed dealings. To what extent, I don’t know and very few people outside the circle do know.

I am saying that these types of underhanded tactics happen all the time. Why didn’t the republicans do anything, very simple.

1. it’s common
2. No need

Look I’m not taking up for trump or putting down on Biden for that matter. I’m saying it’s common hat and not something to try and divide our country over.

 

[Lapaz]

1. I don’t really see there being much difference in what Biden did or for that matter the dnc and the Steele dossier. I know this isn’t exact, but it paints a picture of the atmosphere in which politicians play.

Also, I remember Bill Clinton meeting with Loretta lynch on the runway of the airport to discuss their grandchildren. Again, this is not the same thing. But for the media and the left to act as if what trump did is the worse atrocity in the world worthy of impeachment just doesn’t move my needle.

2. the media is a wing of the DNC. Unfortunately it does shape our politics and has a weighted finger for sure.

THIS IS MY OPINION BASED ON READING, TALKING, LISTENING ETC (samiam this has nothing to do with you. Some posters squabble if you don’t say it’s your opinion. They throw a fit claiming that by not saying it’s an opinion, it must be being sold as fact. And yes I do have a link if needed. Lol)

If you don't see the difference between what Biden did and what Trump did, then you haven't educated yourself. The prosecutor that Biden sought to remove would not investigate Burisma nor any other corrupt company. The European Union and U.S. policy sought to remove him because he was corrupt. If Hunter was corrupt, then by removing that prosecutor, it was more likely to hurt Biden's son. What Trump did was seek to corrupt the Ukranians by improperly involving them in our election. Trump sought to help himself politically, while Biden sought to help Western countries that wanted Ukraine to join them. Biden furthered our values, while Trump undermines them.

 

[samiam5211]

I think you are missing the point. All three of the actions I listed had some under handed dealings. To what extent, I don’t know and very few people outside the circle do know.

I am saying that these types of underhanded tactics happen all the time. Why didn’t the republicans do anything, very simple.

1. it’s common
2. No need

Look I’m not taking up for trump or putting down on Biden for that matter. I’m saying it’s common hat and not something to try and divide our country over.

What specific underhanded dealings with regard to the firing of the prosecutor are you referring to?

 

[Zardnok]

I think you are missing the point. All three of the actions I listed had some under handed dealings. To what extent, I don’t know and very few people outside the circle do know.

I am saying that these types of underhanded tactics happen all the time. Why didn’t the republicans do anything, very simple.

1. it’s common
2. No need

Look I’m not taking up for trump or putting down on Biden for that matter. I’m saying it’s common hat and not something to try and divide our country over.

Dividing our country like this is only common hat if your hat is red and says MAGA on the front. Trump plays on this divisiveness, he uses it, it is his MO.

 

[Lazybones]

If you don't see the difference between what Biden did and what Trump did, then you haven't educated yourself. The prosecutor that Biden sought to remove would not investigate Burisma nor any other corrupt company. The European Union and U.S. policy sought to remove him because he was corrupt. If Hunter was corrupt, then by removing that prosecutor, it was more likely to hurt Biden's son. What Trump did was seek to corrupt the Ukranians by improperly involving them in our election. Trump sought to help himself politically, while Biden sought to help Western countries that wanted Ukraine to join them. Biden furthered our values, while Trump undermines them.

I stopped reading after your first sentence. this is not the premise of my post.

 

[Zardnok]

1. I don’t really see there being much difference in what Biden did or for that matter the dnc and the Steele dossier. I know this isn’t exact, but it paints a picture of the atmosphere in which politicians play.

Also, I remember Bill Clinton meeting with Loretta lynch on the runway of the airport to discuss their grandchildren. Again, this is not the same thing. But for the media and the left to act as if what trump did is the worse atrocity in the world worthy of impeachment just doesn’t move my needle.

2. the media is a wing of the DNC. Unfortunately it does shape our politics and has a weighted finger for sure.

THIS IS MY OPINION BASED ON READING, TALKING, LISTENING ETC (samiam this has nothing to do with you. Some posters squabble if you don’t say it’s your opinion. They throw a fit claiming that by not saying it’s an opinion, it must be being sold as fact. And yes I do have a link if needed. Lol)

It paints the picture of the atmosphere politicians currently play in, but it hasn't always been so polarized and charged. Trump changed the atmosphere, he invites the mud wrestling and enjoys splattering everyone with dirt, he even feels that if he can obfuscate enough that folks like you will be unable to discern what is truly bad.

As for the media being a wing of the DNC, I am not going to go that far. Look at Fox News, they are the highest rated cable news programs. How can the media be a wing of the DNC when the largest one is decidedly right leaning? I would venture to say that Fox News is so large and has such a Right leaning partisan viewership that they can get away with slanting the news so far as to be inaccurate and their viewers won't bother looking elsewhere for the correct information.

 

[Lapaz]

I stopped reading after your first sentence. this is not the premise of my post.

Not surprised you didn't read it, and I doubt you seek the truth. You're pulling a Graham.

 

[Lazybones]

It paints the picture of the atmosphere politicians currently play in, but it hasn't always been so polarized and charged. Trump changed the atmosphere, he invites the mud wrestling and enjoys splattering everyone with dirt, he even feels that if he can obfuscate enough that folks like you will be unable to discern what is truly bad.

As for the media being a wing of the DNC, I am not going to go that far. Look at Fox News, they are the highest rated cable news programs. How can the media be a wing of the DNC when the largest one is decidedly right leaning? I would venture to say that Fox News is so large and has such a Right leaning partisan viewership that they can get away with slanting the news so far as to be inaccurate and their viewers won't bother looking elsewhere for the correct information.

1. your first paragraph is kinda what I said about Bush. He let the media beat up on him and he took it. Trump doesn’t take it, he hammers back.

2. Fox is the most watched because it is the only one. There is basically no difference in abc, nbc, cbs, cnn, msnbc, nytimes. They are are slanted left to one degree or another.

 

[Lazybones]

Not surprised you didn't read it, and I doubt you seek the truth. You're pulling a Graham.

I would say you are calling the kettle black. Read my post and then ask a question pertaining to it and I will answer.

 

[JimEverett]

So do you think it is ok for the President to use his authority to get dirt on opponents or massage his ego?

Should there be any consequences for the president at all?

Where is the line? Should a president be able to do whatever they want and we’re just stuck until the next election?

The line is important because I think there are many people who will say Obama using US intelligence and a secret court to investigate people closely connected to the Trump campaign was completely lawful.

 

[Lazybones]

Dividing our country like this is only common hat if your hat is red and says MAGA on the front. Trump plays on this divisiveness, he uses it, it is his MO.

I don’t disagree that is his MO. It is also the MO of the media to cast all conservatives as racist, bigots, homophobes. The difference is they tried this with someone who plays the same game.

 

[Lazybones]

The line is important because I am sure you will say Obama using US intelligence to investigate people closely connected to the Trump campaign was completely lawful.

As I stated, it’s common hat. Hence the reason the country is not getting behind this escapade.

 

[samiam5211]

The line is important because I am sure you will say Obama using US intelligence to investigate people closely connected to the Trump campaign was completely lawful.

It helps promote meaningful discussion if you say what you think rather than say what you think someone else thinks.