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https://www.foxnews.com/politics/st...eplace-the-income-tax-with-national-sales-tax

Stephen Moore’s Big Idea: Replace federal income tax with national sales tax


Stephen Moore, a member of President Trump’s economic recovery task force and an economist at FreedomWorks, has a bold idea for how to reinvigorate the economy: abolish the federal income tax, and replace it with a national sales tax.

On the face of it, it may seem like a radical notion especially since essentially all Americans nowadays have grown up having a chunk of their income pulled out by the IRS every year. But Moore notes that the income tax is a relatively new invention in the U.S. -- having only been introduced in the early 20th century.

On the state level, having a sales tax and no income tax is hardly novel, with a number of states having exactly this set-up. But doing so nationally would mark a radical upheaval of the current tax system, and at a time when the U.S. is spending trillions of dollars on stimulus -- although Moore maintains it could raise more revenue than the current system.

Whether such an idea would find bipartisan support is uncertain -- presumptive Democratic nominee Joe Biden has called for increasing income taxes on high earners -- but Moore believes that, at a time when the economy needs stimulating, his plan would be “rocket fuel.”

Genius idea, on many fronts.

1. EVERYONE pays fair share, no questions asked. ONE percentage of EVERY income group. A homeless stewbum buys a bottle of cheap hooch for $3.00, he pays 30 cents in taxes. A doctor buys a $200,000 Mercedes S Class sedan, he pays $20,000. Poor, 30 cents. Rich $20,000. See the difference.

2. Jobs would FLOW like a river. Companies from overseas would FLOOD our shores with factories, not having to worry about the tax code? Hell, we'd NEED to give amnesty even to MS13 animals, just to have enough workers for the high paying jobs.

3. Revenues would SOAR, since they would be indexed to the economy, rather than Congress's power to use the tax code to buy favors.
 

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What about states that have no sales tax already? What would we want to go back to a sales tax?

I bet Wall Street would like to have a word with you if you are planning on taxing trades.

Would Limbaugh have to pay sales tax on his child sex trafficking?

oh and there isn’t a way in hell a 1% sales tax would even begin to touch the income tax revenues that come in.

Once again a child like idea from those no smarter than first graders

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Can't even incubate a conversation about tax policy without being inflammatory and taking some shots at others.

Homeless stewbum? MS13 animals?
You're triggered very easily.

The lowest income group is the homeless stewbum.

Go ahead. Make the case that MS 13 (which basically targets innocent people for stabbings) are not animals.

We'll wait.
 

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Yep that would work out great to screw the tax man with the barter system.

Oh wait you could trade chickens or stocks to beat the tax man.

Oh snap the filthy rich already do that to beat the tax man.

The real answer is the filthy need to pay the same share over finished done!
 

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You're triggered very easily.

The lowest income group is the homeless stewbum.

Go ahead. Make the case that MS 13 (which basically targets innocent people for stabbings) are not animals.

We'll wait.
Ms 13 really?

That is kinda funny.

How do you get from the tax code doesn't work evenly to ms13?

Hey could we just stop with calling the homeless bums?

Actually the vast majority of homeless are in need of mental health care. Referring to them as bums is not really helpful in getting to the actual problem.
 

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Why would we want to do that?
You dont know? cmon now. Did you even read that piece? you are cancelling out income tax in favor of a national sales tax. On just "products".

What constitutes a "product"?

What happens when i stop buying bottled water and drink from the faucet? Or grow my own veggies? Or buy them from the farmer cash?

Waaaay too many ways to circumvent
 

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You dont know? cmon now. Did you even read that piece? you are cancelling out income tax in favor of a national sales tax. On just "products".

What constitutes a "product"?

What happens when i stop buying bottled water and drink from the faucet? Or grow my own veggies? Or buy them from the farmer cash?

Waaaay too many ways to circumvent
Or even better trade stock for Ferrari, art, or home.

Then what would happen to all the non profits? No scam for golf games.

What about Churches? They then pay tax like everyone else?

This is a really stupid work around for the rich to not pay a fair share of taxes
 

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I will gladly trade some engineering for some medical or dental work or shirt just some groceries if I don’t have to pay taxes on services.

I won’t pay using the federal currency for anything, will not have to pay taxes and will make the same amount of money! Maybe more!
 

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You're triggered very easily.

The lowest income group is the homeless stewbum.

Go ahead. Make the case that MS 13 (which basically targets innocent people for stabbings) are not animals.

We'll wait.
Lol. "Triggered." Of course.

You might as well be reading out loud from the playbook.

-Bad policy veiled behind fear and loathing of others. Check.

-People who disagree are easily triggered snowflakes. Check.

Next up; work ethic, givers and takers, bootstrapping self-made garbage.

I pointed it out because both of those references were wedged unnecessarily into the discussion starter. That isn't to say I don't appreciate you making it clear, up front, that you approach tax policy on the basis of doctors vs bums. I suspect that is actually great insight into how you see the world and others.
 
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-Bad policy veiled behind fear and loathing of others. Check.

What bad policy? And how is a national sales tax somehow a fear and loathing of others?

-People who disagree are easily triggered snowflakes. Check.


WRONG. I have no problem with disagreement. I do have a problem with people who get offended at style. Let's just say I'm a partisan and that comes with some colorful language, (as I recall, not quite as "colorful" as that TROLL calling Rush Limbaugh a pedophile).


Next up; work ethic, givers and takers, bootstrapping self-made garbage.

It bothers you that people EARN money and that all money doesn't come from Washington? I appreciate your honesty but I'm surprised you'd admit that.

I pointed it out because both of those references were wedged unnecessarily into the discussion. That isn't to say I don't appreciate you making it clear, up front, that you approach tax policy on the basis of doctors vs bums. I suspect that is actually great insight into how you see the world and others.

See, this is the problem with the eggshells around here. I have to REALLY be careful about my designations. If I were to just say a minimum wage burger flipper I might get called a racist. I was looking for someone at the BOTTOM of the income ladder. And I figured there is no politically correctness in a stewbum who drank his way out of a home and lives on the streets. Who could possibly feel sorry for a bum who did it to himself?

The comparison of doctor to homeless stewbum was an accurate way of designating that at ALL income level EACH EARNER would be paying HIS OR HER FAIR SHARE.

Are you now going to knock me because I only used two genders?
 
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You dont know? cmon now. Did you even read that piece? you are cancelling out income tax in favor of a national sales tax. On just "products".


What constitutes a "product"?


Interesting thought. And it could swing both ways. Is someone's services a product? Truthfully, I was on my way out the door when I typed that response and hadn't given it a whole lot of thought. But you have a point. The article never mentioned "services" but on further reflection I see no reason to exclude them. Certainly businesses would be coming out WAY ahead in the long run, not having to pay all sorts of other taxes.

What happens when i stop buying bottled water and drink from the faucet? Or grow my own veggies? Or buy them from the farmer cash?


You don't pay the national sales tax on those items. (Truthfully, I consider bottled water a ripoff anyway, but that's just me. And you're still paying a tax on the water from the faucet, just not as much.) I'd say you made some wise choices in avoiding paying taxes.
 
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Yep that would work out great to screw the tax man with the barter system.
Now, you see, THIS is what makes this forum worth my time. NOW you're starting to think outside the box.


Oh wait you could trade chickens or stocks to beat the tax man.

We'd have to get into a time machine and travel back to the late 19th Century for that idea to work.

Oh snap the filthy rich already do that to beat the tax man.

Admittedly, there ARE some wealthy types who could be called "filthy" rich. A lot of them employ an entire INDUSTRY to avoid paying income taxes. Have a national sales tax and the the "filthy" rich just PAY THE TAX, same as those at the bottom. And they pay their FAIR SHARE according to how much they buy. (See my politically incorrect example of the doctor versus the homeless stewbum).

The real answer is the filthy need to pay the same share over finished done!

There is no better or fairer method than a national sales tax for the achievers to pay their FAIR SHARE, same as the underachievers.
 
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Or even better trade stock for Ferrari, art, or home.

You must be a tax accountant. Those things never would have occurred to me. But it brings up a point someone else mentioned, about taxing services.

I'll guarantee you THIS: The LAST thing the achievers will do is try to avoid paying a national income tax by going the barter route. It's just not worth the effort, since the achievers will be saving a ton of money in taxes from other sources. They'll be happy to PAY that tax and be done with it. And in the process, they will also be happy to pass their tax savings along to the consumer.


Then what would happen to all the non profits? No scam for golf games.


A non profit company BUYS THINGS and would pay the national sales tax. Right now, a non profit pays NO INCOME TAXES. So that creates another taxpayer. Why would that upset you?

What about Churches? They then pay tax like everyone else?

A church buys a new building and pays a sales tax on it. Buys candles, a church organ, etc. By the way, churches pay sales taxes anyway. So there's nothing new. THIS way churches wind up paying a national sales tax and the church haters who want to tax religion would be made happy.

So far, I'm seeing nothing but winners here.


This is a really stupid work around for the rich to not pay a fair share of taxes.

Right now, the achievers pay MORE than their fair share. A national sales tax IS THE FAIREST TAX. Everybody is taxed at the SAME percentage of what they buy. (See the example of the stewbum versus the Doctor. One pays 30 cents and the other pays $20,000. Tell me again what is unfair about that.)
 

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