States may move to keep Trump off the ballot based on 14th Amendment disqualification (1 Viewer)

[superchuck500]

Section 3 of the 14th Amendment:

There is a growing movement in some states to conclude that Trump is already disqualified under the 14th Amendment and they may remove him from the ballot. This would set-up legal challenges from Trump that could end up at the SCOTUS.

The 14A disqualification doesn’t have any procedural requirements, it simply says that a person that does those things can’t serve in those offices. It a state says it applies to Trump, it would then be on Trump to show that it didn’t (either because what he didn’t doesn’t amount to the prohibited conduct, or that president isn’t an “officer” as intended by the amendment).

States are in charge of the ballots and can make eligibility determinations that are subject to appeal - there is actually a fairly interesting body of cases over the years with ballot challenges in federal court.


More on the legal argument in favor of this:

The Sweep and Force of Section Three

Section Three of the Fourteenth Amendment forbids holding office by former office holders who then participate in insurrection or rebellion. Because of a range

papers.ssrn.com

The Constitution Prohibits Trump From Ever Being President Again

The only question is whether American citizens today can uphold that commitment.

www.theatlantic.com

 

[SaintForLife]

I won’t waste any more effort than this:

All of Trump’s Ties to Russia, in 7 Charts

A visual guide to the many links between Donald Trump and Vladimir Putin’s Russia.

www.politico.com

Donald Trump's Many, Many, Many, Many Ties to Russia

His dodge is a classic magician’s trick

time.com

G.O.P.-Led Senate Panel Details Ties Between 2016 Trump Campaign and Russia (Published 2020)

A nearly 1,000-page report confirmed the special counsel’s findings at a moment when President Trump’s allies have sought to undermine that inquiry.

www.nytimes.com

Mueller:

 

[samiam5211]

Mueller:

You realize that it says Russia offered to help, and the campaign accepted it?

 

[SaintForLife]

With both of those as yeses I don't understand where the breakdown or objection is to how I characterize it all when I call it an attempted coup and an insurrection.

It's simply what occurred and it seems like you actually agree in principal but have difficulty applying those sorts of terms in defining it.

Since you and many here constantly talk about a peaceful transfer of power, does this sound like a peaceful transfer of power to you?

It's laughable that the media and the left constantly talk about a peaceful transfer of power when Hillary, the media, US intelligence services, the corrupt leadership in the FBI cooked up a Tom Clancy like narrative that Trump was a Russian agent under the control of Putin.

Hillary and her minions like Charles Dolan made up the Trump is a Russian agent narrative that the corrupt FBI ran with and launched an investigation. Obama was briefed by Brennan about Hillary's plan. This was all done to try to get Trump removed and/or hamstring his Administration so he would be unable to focus on his agenda because he would be tied up in investigations.

 

[DaveXA]

Mueller:

Clearly, context isn't your strong suit as you conveniently ignored the comments immediately prior to the highlighted.

 

[efil4]

You realize that it says Russia offered to help, and the campaign accepted it?

He done did it again. Shoelaces and running.

Damn.

 

[MT15]

Mueller:

Huge own goal right here. Lol

 

[bdb13]

Since you and many here constantly talk about a peaceful transfer of power, does this sound like a peaceful transfer of power to you?

It's laughable that the media and the left constantly talk about a peaceful transfer of power when Hillary, the media, US intelligence services, the corrupt leadership in the FBI cooked up a Tom Clancy like narrative that Trump was a Russian agent under the control of Putin.

Hillary and her minions like Charles Dolan made up the Trump is a Russian agent narrative that the corrupt FBI ran with and launched an investigation. Obama was briefed by Brennan about Hillary's plan. This was all done to try to get Trump removed and/or hamstring his Administration so he would be unable to focus on his agenda because he would be tied up in investigations.

Should I take that as a concession on the point?

 

[SFIDC3]

He done did it again. Shoelaces and running.

Damn.

Quick, get him some scissors!!!!!!

 

[cuddlemonkey]

Quick, get him some scissors!!!!!!

He'll probably try to run with those, too.

 

[SaintForLife]

You realize that it says Russia offered to help, and the campaign accepted it?

Clearly, context isn't your strong suit as you conveniently ignored the comments immediately prior to the highlighted.

Huge own goal right here. Lol

Ultimately, the investigation did not establish that the Campaign coordinated or conspired with the Russian government in it's election-interference activities.

 

[SaintForLife]

Should I take that as a concession on the point?

Nope. Are you going to answer the question?

 

[brandon]

Ultimately, the investigation did not establish that the Campaign coordinated or conspired with the Russian government in it's election-interference activities.

Do you understand that highlighting/bolding a particular line does not, in fact, negate all of the other lines?

Like, do you think you read a book if you read one highlighted sentence?

 

[MT15]

Ultimately, the investigation did not establish that the Campaign coordinated or conspired with the Russian government in it's election-interference activities.

Do you remember why they couldn’t establish it? Anything about obstruction of justice ring a bell? Anything? You’re attempts are pretty pathetic actually.

 

[cuddlemonkey]

Ultimately, the investigation did not establish that the Campaign coordinated or conspired with the Russian government in it's election-interference activities.

Hypothetical: I enter into a conspiracy and my co-conspirators and I successfully cover our tracks, thus preventing investigators from establishing concrete proof of the conspiracy. Does this lack of established, concrete proof mean that I did not enter into a conspiracy?

 

[samiam5211]

Ultimately, the investigation did not establish that the Campaign coordinated or conspired with the Russian government in it's election-interference activities.

You realize it says that Russia offered to help, and the campaign welcomed it?

 

[MT15]

Nope. Are you going to answer the question?

Why should he? You don’t answer any questions at all.

 

[DaveXA]

Ultimately, the investigation did not establish that the Campaign coordinated or conspired with the Russian government in it's election-interference activities.

So...ignore conlext unless it's convenient for you?

 

[SaintForLife]

In Trump v. Anderson, SCOTUS ruled *9-0* against the ludicrous “Insurrection Clause” ballot disqualification theory—despite the fact @judgeluttig called it “an unassailable interpretation of the 14th Amendment.”

Remind me why anyone in the world still takes @judgeluttig seriously?