So much for a free market economy (1 Viewer)

[Eeyore]

A Wisconsin judge has decided to prevent seven health care workers from leaving an employer that does not compensate it's employees competitively.

What to know about the battle over Wisconsin health care workers now playing out in court

ThedaCare pursued legal action to prevent seven health care workers in Wisconsin from starting a new job at a nearby hospital.

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[brandon]

This whole story is bonkers.

 

[Maxp]

I'm not sure how this is even possible. The hospital staff are at will employees, that's it. Now companies are getting legal protection for terrible HR decisions?

 

[tigerfan]

Just playing devil’s advocate: if UMC-New Orleans suddenly had a similar group leave all at once, it would be unable to provide level 1 trauma services to the city. And it is the only hospital that can do so.

In this case, perhaps there are no other comparable stroke center alternatives (I do not know the region); but it sounds like the hospital the employees are leaving for does not offer the same level of stroke service. I get why the community/government/judiciary could take the position that the employee move posed a health risk for the community. Again, just being devil’s advocate only

 

[Dragon]

Just playing devil’s advocate: if UMC-New Orleans suddenly had a similar group leave all at once, it would be unable to provide level 1 trauma services to the city. And it is the only hospital that can do so.

In this case, perhaps there are no other comparable stroke center alternatives (I do not know the region); but it sounds like the hospital the employees are leaving for does not offer the same level of stroke service. I get why the community/government/judiciary could take the position that the employee move posed a health risk for the community. Again, just being devil’s advocate only

So you are saying that in this case the safety and health of the communtity overrules the personal freedom? How does that differ from Mask and Vaxx mandates where you think the opposite ?

 

[Maxp]

There is no public guarantee of a certain level of trauma care. Furthermore, the hospital had ample time to match or better the offer its employees received or hire new people. As usual, the employer didn't want to pay market wages.

 

[tigerfan]

So you are saying that in this case the safety and health of the communtity overrules the personal freedom? How does that differ from Mask and Vaxx mandates where you think the opposite ?

Nope I didn’t say that. And nope I never said any of that. Wtf are you talking about?

 

[J-DONK]

Just playing devil’s advocate: if UMC-New Orleans suddenly had a similar group leave all at once, it would be unable to provide level 1 trauma services to the city. And it is the only hospital that can do so.

In this case, perhaps there are no other comparable stroke center alternatives (I do not know the region); but it sounds like the hospital the employees are leaving for does not offer the same level of stroke service. I get why the community/government/judiciary could take the position that the employee move posed a health risk for the community. Again, just being devil’s advocate only

This is what happens in a for-profit healthcare system. When you introduce the free market into healthcare there must be winners, and losers? You can't force people into slavery because you're bad at capitalism.

 

[xpuma20x]

Yeah I don't see how this judge's response will be upheld. The only way I can see it happening is if they were on a contract and were breaking the contract to work somewhere else. Even then, lets say they decide not to show up for work, is the judge going to put them in jail for not showing up to work? That would be counterproductive to the idea that they need someone there for the safety of the public. I suppose they could implement a fine, though again if they aren't under contract and that's not part of the contract they signed, it'd be illegal for them to get fined for it.

 

[CoolBrees]

What is even dumber is WI is an At Will (Right to Work) state.

They can fire you for any reason without any repercussions. But you wanna leave for better pay and benefits? Woah that isn’t fair!

And let me go ahead and pass on receiving medical care from someone being forced to work against their will.

Who cares if they can’t staff a hospital- that is their fault. Their patients will let the market decide and either go to a different hospital (if their insurance allows it) or die waiting.

Capitalism is the best

 

[MT15]

I don’t think this argument (that it’s in the public interest) will hold water. The designations talked about aren’t binding, I don’t think. Patients needing those services could be routed to the hospital where those employees go, regardless of the designation levels. It sounds like the employees were not under contract, so this seems like a bad decision by the judge.

 

[coldseat]

You guys are way to optimistic/confident about the judiciary in this country. The judiciary in this country bends over backwards to give employers what they want, it's hardly unbiased. I'm sure the judge and appellate court will find a way to rule in this employers favor. "At Will" employment has always been for the employers advantage, not the employees.

 

[J-DONK]

You guys are way to optimistic/confident about the judiciary in this country. The judiciary in this country bends over backwards to give employers what they want, it's hardly unbiased. I'm sure the judge and appellate court will find a way to rule in this employers favor. "At Will" employment has always been for the employers advantage, not the employees.

Honestly, when I first read the story, I was like what kind of relationship does this judge have with the hospital? What made them think they could sue and win to begin with?

 

[SystemShock]

Nope I didn’t say that. And nope I never said any of that. Wtf are you talking about?

That's exactly what you rationalized as devil's advocate, yes.

I'll say, I was expecting decrying the trampling of the workers' freedom, rather than a rationalization of the decision by the judge.

 

[J-DONK]

The case was dismissed today. The healthcare workers can now go to work at their new job.

 

[coldseat]

The case was dismissed today. The healthcare workers can now go to work at their new job.

It's good to know that I was wrong!

 

[SamAndreas]

A nice ending for the Wisconsin thread.

 

[dtc]

The case was dismissed today. The healthcare workers can now go to work at their new job.

And tomorrow a similar constitutional ammendment will be introduced in Florida to overwhelming support from the right.