So maybe there was something to see after all (FBI turned over "relevant" tips on Brett Kavanaugh to Trump White House) (1 Viewer)

[GrandAdmiral]

I understand the FBI's argument, but damn, when you get so much you actually have to open a tip line to collect info. And it ends up the only people who gets this info are the ones who want it to go away. GTFOH

FBI says it got more than 4,500 tips on Kavanaugh, providing 'relevant' ones to White House

The FBI disclosed that it received more than 4,500 tips on a phone line in 2018 as part of a background investigation into then-Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh and provided "relevant" ones to former President Donald Trump's White House counsel.

www.cnn.com

 

[DaveXA]

Let me tell you a story about the higher tax brackets

Lol, indeed. My grandmother was a member of the Petroleum Club in Lafayette back in the day. She wasn't rich, but she did ok and I have no idea what her membership fees were, but it wasn't anywhere near 6 figures. Probably some mid 4 figure number. But, it was the Petroleum maybe entry level membership or something. I guess if you want to be a Platinum member or something, heh.

 

[dtc]

Lol, indeed. My grandmother was a member of the Petroleum Club in Lafayette back in the day. She wasn't rich, but she did ok and I have no idea what her membership fees were, but it wasn't anywhere near 6 figures. Probably some mid 4 figure number. But, it was the Petroleum maybe entry level membership or something. I guess if you want to be a Platinum member or something, heh.

There are initiation fees and then there are dues. For a man to pay 92k in initiation fees while making a 3500 monthly credit card payment in order to carry over 100k in unsecured debt is bizarre.

Maybe the club he joined overlooked his financial issues because they needed members or because he's a federal judge. Whatever it is, that's an unreasonable amount of credit card debt and the fact it was magically paid off at the same time he joined the club merited investigation. It got none.

 

[DaveXA]

There are initiation fees and then there are dues. For a man to pay 92k in initiation fees while making a 3500 monthly credit card payment in order to carry over 100k in unsecured debt is bizarre.

Maybe the club he joined overlooked his financial issues because they needed members or because he's a federal judge. Whatever it is, that's an unreasonable amount of credit card debt and the fact it was magically paid off at the same time he joined the club merited investigation. It got none.

I'm not doubting you, but how do we know it didn't get scrutiny? It does sound like something that would cause red flags, but I would think that this would have come up during the vetting process. Anyone with security clearance, which I assume he has, has to go through periodic reviews to maintain said clearance. And significant financial events, like bankruptcy have to be reported in a timely manner.

I currently work for the government and there's a pretty involved process in order to gain security clearance. You can't bypass that process, even for the periodic reviews. I suppose he could fudge his responses, but that would put his career in jeopardy if he made false statements on his clearance application and review. I'm not saying he's innocent, but I'm saying there needs to be good evidence before making claims about his obtaining clearance and not being disqualified from his nomination as SCOTUS justice.

If he did improperly obtain access to funds to pay off his debt and whatever else, he should be held accountable for it. I just wonder if this has been already looked at by the authorities.

 

[SaulGoodmanEsq]

Guys, both the left and right do this.
As they use to say in the Army, rank has privileges.

Indeed. I would add that it's funny because most anyone applying for a federal judicial law clerk position or almost any other job with the federal government would be highly scrutinized (and possible not get a job) based on such a high credit card debt -- you would be viewed as a security risk (potential to be bribed).

 

[MT15]

Security clearances for judges are not required. For sure not for Supreme Court Justices. The whole point is that the Trump White House circumvented the normal vetting process.

In a normal administration, Kavanaugh wouldn’t have been nominated. It’s a bit questionable that he got where he was before he got picked for SC, IMO. He wasn’t a highly regarded legal mind.

He claimed his credit card debt (between $100k and $200k) was mostly due to him buying baseball playoff tickets at some point for his friends, and they hadn’t paid him back. At which point, as soon as it became a story about why he had run up so much credit card debt, the debt was just magically paid off. Of course he said his friends paid him back, but this is just too fishy for me.

 

[SaulGoodmanEsq]

Right. It's pretty laughable. The idea is that the Senate would actually do its job to 'advise and consent' but we all know that these days that's pretty much a rubber stamp so long as you have 51 votes.

 

[DaveXA]

Security clearances for judges are not required. For sure not for Supreme Court Justices. The whole point is that the Trump White House circumvented the normal vetting process.

In a normal administration, Kavanaugh wouldn’t have been nominated. It’s a bit questionable that he got where he was before he got picked for SC, IMO. He wasn’t a highly regarded legal mind.

He claimed his credit card debt (between $100k and $200k) was mostly due to him buying baseball playoff tickets at some point for his friends, and they hadn’t paid him back. At which point, as soon as it became a story about why he had run up so much credit card debt, the debt was just magically paid off. Of course he said his friends paid him back, but this is just too fishy for me.

Actually, I had misread an excerpt on security clearance for judges, and skipped over the NOT part. Lol. So, disregard my comments on the clearance part. He probably wouldn't be eligible for security clearance if the reports are true.

I'm still not convinced anything comes of this though. I guess we'll see.

 

[MT15]

I’m not saying anything will come of it. I think Trump has done so much damage to our institutions that it will take decades to come out on the other side, if we do manage to get through this without losing our form of government.

 

[DaveXA]

I’m not saying anything will come of it. I think Trump has done so much damage to our institutions that it will take decades to come out on the other side, if we do manage to get through this without losing our form of government.

I wouldn't say decades. But it will probably take 2-3 years. A lot of it already has been reversed, so it's getting there. In Congress? For sure. Don't know of we'll ever fully recover in that respect.

 

[MT15]

The rule of law has taken a huge hit. There is now precedent for the Executive to just completely ignore Congressional subpoenas, whereas before there was a give and take and negotiation.

That Trump wannabe running in California for Governor is already whining that the election is rife with fraud because the polling doesn’t look good.

I read somewhere that the fake audit in AZ was ordered by a judge to turn over internal documents and emails and they said they just won’t do it.

This won‘t be cleared up in a few years, IMO.

 

[DaveXA]

The rule of law has taken a huge hit. There is now precedent for the Executive to just completely ignore Congressional subpoenas, whereas before there was a give and take and negotiation.

That Trump wannabe running in California for Governor is already whining that the election is rife with fraud because the polling doesn’t look good.

I read somewhere that the fake audit in AZ was ordered by a judge to turn over internal documents and emails and they said they just won’t do it.

This won‘t be cleared up in a few years, IMO.

Yeah, I agree. I was speaking more to the daily running of federal agencies and services. Congressional and Presidential politics and elections, that's not getting fixed anytime soon.

 

[dtc]

I'm not doubting you, but how do we know it didn't get scrutiny? It does sound like something that would cause red flags, but I would think that this would have come up during the vetting process. Anyone with security clearance, which I assume he has, has to go through periodic reviews to maintain said clearance. And significant financial events, like bankruptcy have to be reported in a timely manner.

I currently work for the government and there's a pretty involved process in order to gain security clearance. You can't bypass that process, even for the periodic reviews. I suppose he could fudge his responses, but that would put his career in jeopardy if he made false statements on his clearance application and review. I'm not saying he's innocent, but I'm saying there needs to be good evidence before making claims about his obtaining clearance and not being disqualified from his nomination as SCOTUS justice.

If he did improperly obtain access to funds to pay off his debt and whatever else, he should be held accountable for it. I just wonder if this has been already looked at by the authorities.

You're being obtuse.

The vetting was done by Republicans and those who supported Trump's pick which means there was no vetting and any that was done was held out of the public eye in order to allow this shady nonsense to be overlooked.

It was cheated.

 

[DaveXA]

You're being obtuse.

The vetting was done by Republicans and those who supported Trump's pick which means there was no vetting and any that was done was held out of the public eye in order to allow this shady nonsense to be overlooked.

It was cheated.

I was thinking more in terms of an actual background check, but yeah. From a Congrssional oversight standpoint, I see what you're saying. No disagreement there.

 

[superchuck500]

 

[SaulGoodmanEsq]

Sadly nothing will happen. Even if these guys committed murder in broad daylight, you wouldn't get the GOP House to impeach or a sufficient number of GOP Senators to convict.

 

[J-DONK]

Sadly nothing will happen. Even if these guys committed murder in broad daylight, you wouldn't get the GOP House to impeach or a sufficient number of GOP Senators to convict.

These kind of things need to get linked to SFL, and Farb when they start on the "FBI is in the pocket of Dems" conspiracy theory.

 

[SaintForLife]

These kind of things need to get linked to SFL, and Farb when they start on the "FBI is in the pocket of Dems" conspiracy theory.

Oh please. She wasn't even a credible witness except to partisan Democrats. It was all about protecting Roe vs Wade and it was a poorly executed smear job.