Should people from sanctuary cities/states be suspended from Trusted Traveler programs? (1 Viewer)

[Dadsdream]

I am loathe to side with the Big Brother aspects of this. I understand the need. I understand the concern to account for criminals who have been deported and return to the US over and over again.

What do y'all think? Pole follows.

The U.S. Department of Homeland Security says it will no longer allow New York state residents to enroll in programs intended to expedite international travel because of a state law that blocks immigration authorities from accessing motor vehicle records.

New York's "Green Light" law, which took effect in December, allows immigrants without legal status to apply for driver's licenses. It also includes a provision barring state officials at the Department of Motor Vehicles from sharing data with immigration authorities unless a judge orders them to do so.

Ken Cuccinelli, acting deputy secretary at DHS, told reporters on a conference call Thursday that the state law was "dangerous — really thoughtless in terms of unintended consequences."

"President Trump certainly made it clear that if sanctuary city politicians — and sanctuary state, as well — won't keep their people safe, we'll do the best we can to keep them safe," Cuccinelli said.

Trump Administration Suspends New Yorkers From Trusted Traveler Programs

The Department of Homeland Security says the state's "Green Light" law allowing licenses for immigrants without legal status interferes with security. State officials call it "political retaliation."

www.npr.org

 

[BobE]

this thread should be good

 

[wardorican]

Your question doesnt have anything to do with the story, at least how I read it.

Sanctuary cities? No.

States that block the feds from accessing records to make sure a traveler is safe, yeah, probably. At least without me thinking too hard about it.

 

[Dadsdream]

Your question doesnt have anything to do with the story, at least how I read it.

Sanctuary cities? No.

States that block the feds from accessing records to make sure a traveler is safe, yeah, probably. At least without me thinking too hard about it.

Ah. There were two articles. I only posted the NPR article. The Politico article said both NYC and NY State:

The latest actions — which state and New York City officials call political retaliation — foist New York into a position familiar to California, which has long borne the brunt of policy blows from an administration unhappy about its liberal approach to governance.

In recent weeks, the Trump administration has also ramped up its efforts to target New York City over its sanctuary city policies.

Federal officials seized on the murder of a 92-year old woman by a man from Guyana in the country illegally — blaming Mayor Bill de Blasio’s administration for failing to turn the man over in response to a federal request to detain him after a previous arrest. Under city law, most detainer requests from federal immigration authorities are not honored.

Federal prosecutors sued the city for information about the accused murderer and another immigrant, after slapping the city with subpoenas they said were not honored.

Trump to New York travelers: Drop dead

The latest actions — which state and New York City officials call political retaliation — foist New York into a position familiar to California.

www.politico.com

 

[wardorican]

Ah. There were two articles. I only posted the NPR article. The Politico article said both NYC and NY State:

The latest actions — which state and New York City officials call political retaliation — foist New York into a position familiar to California, which has long borne the brunt of policy blows from an administration unhappy about its liberal approach to governance.

Trump to New York travelers: Drop dead

The latest actions — which state and New York City officials call political retaliation — foist New York into a position familiar to California.

www.politico.com

Yeah, still nothing to do with your phrasing.

The California example was about emissions rules. Not the traveler program.

 

[Dadsdream]

Yeah, still nothing to do with your phrasing.

The California example was about emissions rules. Not the traveler program.

You know, my daughter flew from Missouri to New Orleans this summer.
Before she could fly, she had to get a driver's license with a gold star on it, proving she was Real ID compliant.
Seems kinda weird to me that we would impose such requirement on a citizen flying from Point A to Point B within the country.
It's turning into a nightmare for DMVs across the nation.
And yet, New York City and New York State won't share their records with Homeland Security?
I thought we settled this kind of stuff with a War Between the States/Civil War/War of Northern Aggression/War of the Rebellion.

 

[wardorican]

You know, my daughter flew from Missouri to New Orleans this summer.
Before she could fly, she had to get a driver's license with a gold star on it, proving she was Real ID compliant.
Seems kinda weird to me that we would impose such requirement on a citizen flying from Point A to Point B within the country.
It's turning into a nightmare for DMVs across the nation.
And yet, New York City and New York State won't share their records with Homeland Security?
I thought we settled this kind of stuff with a War Between the States/Civil War/War of Northern Aggression/War of the Rebellion.

I agreed with that. If they dont share records, so 'fast pass through security" . Clear fi may make that moot.


My point is that then being a sanctuary city isn't the reason for this issue.

 

[DJ1BigTymer]

The move by POTUS is purely political because the "Green Light" law does not include a "Real ID" which is required for travel. Not to mention, the suspension only effects programs designed to make international travel easier for those who pay for that privilege.

Green Light Law
Documents you will need to apply
All Applicants for a standard driver license must show a combination of documents that prove 1. name, 2. date of birth, and 3. New York State residency.

In addition to the combination of proofs we currently accept, beginning December 16, 2019, we will also accept

• a valid, unexpired foreign passport issued by your country of citizenship
• a valid, unexpired consular identification document issued by a consulate
• a valid foreign driver license that includes your photo, and which is either unexpired or expired for less than 24 months
• Permanent Resident Card, which is either unexpired or expired for less than 24 months
• Employment Authorization Card, which is either unexpired or expired for less than 24 months
• Border Crossing Card
• U.S. Municipal ID Card (e.g. NYC ID) with photo
• foreign marriage or divorce record or court issued name change decree
• foreign birth certificate

Review the standard license and permit guide to see a list of all proofs that will be accepted effective December 16, 2019.

The law has nothing to do with air travel.

 

[Intensesaint]

Sanctuary city = Come on in, you can break the law here.

 

[JimEverett]

I am not exactly sure what sanctuary city/state means. Or, it seems like people use the term in different ways.

If "sanctuary city" means, or to the extent that the term means, a local government will not detain people for longer than their local authority allows in order for federal agents to have time to detain them then I do not think the federal government should punish, or treat differently, sanctuary cities.

 

[Beach Friends]

Probably unconstitutional.

 

[Taurus]

Yet another petty piece of spite from Trump, directed at a state that didn't and won't ever vote for him.

The 'green light' law has nothing to do with the security of the Known Traveler (or other, similar) programs where you have to provide whatever documentation they ask for.