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A capitalist.

Well at least he got her some support from disgruntled former Trump supporters.



Is being a capitalist really that bad in the mind of Sanders?
I think most likely he might have got her some support from people who wanted to vote for Biden but now are not sure. I don't think many voters who voted for Trump in 2016 will consider Warren an acceptable choice; I think they're more likely not to vote at all if they don't find any candidate acceptable.
 

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A capitalist.

Well at least he got her some support from disgruntled former Trump supporters.



Is being a capitalist really that bad in the mind of Sanders?
Oh, you... Klingon... bastage... you made... me click :hihi:

I made the comment before: I think is just candidates trying to out-left each other. At the pace they are going, by next Spring, they'l be offering to pay people for using Medicare.
 

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Oh, you... Klingon... bastage... you made... me click :hihi:

I made the comment before: I think is just candidates trying to out-left each other. At the pace they are going, by next Spring, they'l be offering to pay people for using Medicare.
Or pay people to go to school like they do in Denmark. Enough to make a hardline GOPer go into conniptions.
 

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It’s sad to me to see people so close in positions attack each other — with false statements no less — just to score political points in a race against someone as polar opposite as Trump.

Insinuating she wouldn’t stand against corporate greed and corruption and wealth inequality when she is the only Democratic candidate with a resume of actually doing just that (spearheading the creation of the CFPB) should be beneath him, but alas...
 

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She is a capitalist, proudly. This seems a desperation move by Sanders.
 

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I think he knows his time is short on the campaign trail and is trying to help out Warren. One of those cases where he is trying to portray her as more towards the center to help down the road.
 

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I think he knows his time is short on the campaign trail and is trying to help out Warren. One of those cases where he is trying to portray her as more towards the center to help down the road.
That would be a smart move, I just don’t see him being that altruistic. Are you saying his time is short lived because of his health?
 

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Yes. I have nothing against Bernie and would vote for him over Trump. His age coupled with a recent heart attack on the primary campaign trail signals the end of the road.
 

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Understood. I worry about the age of most of the legitimate candidates. I think with his heart condition, and the public perception behind it, he should throw his support behind someone earlier than later.
 

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Only in "bizarre'O world" would calling someone a "Capitalist" in the "Land of the consumer" be a derogatory term... and people wonder why I sit in the middle on everything... Outward craziness and Inward cannibalism within the extreme elements of both parties makes me wanna burn it all down and start over.
 

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kudos to the thread title - I thought for a second that Sanders had completely lost it and went nuclear.
 

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She is a capitalist, proudly. This seems a desperation move by Sanders.
Hm..I dunno. Sanders has more donations and voters by state than any other candidate. I can assure you it isn't about desperation, as I don't think he has any need to be that way. I don't have a problem with Sanders saying that (though i also don't have a problem with Dems calling out other Dems because I'm a fan of letting the populace decide what is wrong or right). I do think there is some strategy there, though. Why would one not use that as a point of emphasis? I just don't think it was meant to be mean or dirty. I think neither the Warren nor Sanders campaign is like that.

JMO..Folks should know all the facts. Sanders has claimed he's a Democratic Socialist. Many Democratic candidates have denounced that. Are they also desperate for saying that?


And being a Capitalist is one subject Warren has talked about openly...Personally, It doesn't bother me that Warren is a self-proclaimed capitalist. We all are to some extent, right? I may not agree with overall tenets of Capitalism, but Im still very much a big fan of her campaign.
 
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Maybe not everyone lives in your version of the
Only in "bizarre'O world" would calling someone a "Capitalist" in the "Land of the consumer" be a derogatory term... and people wonder why I sit in the middle on everything... Outward craziness and Inward cannibalism within the extreme elements of both parties makes me wanna burn it all down and start over.
Wait, what? You say that as if perspectives don't change, as they're clearly doing on Capitalism in this country...

I don't wonder why you sit in the middle on everything. I think you have a perspective that is quite opposite from folks like mine. I can assure you that there are a good bit of folks who see the detrimental effect of Capitalism on our everyday lives and know we could be working toward something better. People don't 'defend' capitalism any more than they defend 'democrat' or 'republican' ideals. They defend ideals in general, and only start to backtrack when folks start putting big scary labels on them.
 
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When I saw the clip, it wasn’t said as a slam at all by Bernie. Either the OP didn’t watch the interview or the abc piece was slanted to make it seem more controversial than it was.

It wasn’t said as a criticism, from the part I saw on the news tonight. So I retract my initial reaction. 😁
 

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Maybe not everyone lives in your version of the


Wait, what? You say that as if perspectives don't change, as they're clearly doing on Capitalism in this country...

I don't wonder why you sit in the middle on everything. I think you have a perspective that is quite opposite from folks like mine. I can assure you that there are a good bit of folks who see the detrimental effect of Capitalism on our everyday lives and know we could be working toward something better. People don't 'defend' capitalism any more than they defend 'democrat' or 'republican' ideals. They defend ideals in general, and only start to backtrack when folks start putting big scary labels on them.
Yeah, the "changing perspective" on capitalism is hilarious to me...

Capitalism makes the US the richest and most powerful country on earth... you can't flip a light switch, buy a doughnut, start your car, or type this message without capitalism as it is today...

Some of the most powerful and richest and influential people on earth became that way due to capitalism... the "changing perspective" of a small group of people without said power, money, or influence is sort of irrelevant.

The only people "who see the detrimental effect of Capitalism in their everyday lives" are the people not successfully working that system, and don't have the means to challenge those who are... because they are not.

So hilarious to me...
 
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Yeah, the "changing perspective" on capitalism is hilarious to me...
Capitalism makes the US the richest and most powerful country on earth... you can't flip a light switch, buy a doughnut, start your car, or type this message without capitalism as it is today...
You know what I think is hilarious? You assuming that because we're the richest country on Earth, that somehow that ratifies Capitalism as a good thing. 'Because it does this thing the most it is good'. Haha...what?

Do you even care about the skyrocketing levels of inequality in this country? (rhetorical). I don't believe you do.

Notice I never once have said that anyone should go scorched earth on capitalism. I think it's just time we face up to what damage it has caused and remedy it. It's unfettered as it can be, and I think we can do better than that. We can in fact have a system that retains capitalist elements and be socially moral and responsible to our nation's inhabitants. I reject the notion we can't do that.


Some of the most powerful and richest and influential people on earth became that way due to capitalism... the "changing perspective" of a small group of people without said power, money, or influence is sort of irrelevant.
And there it is. Why is it always so predictable? You are pretty consistently conflating rich/money with 'good' or 'success'. Do you see nothing wrong there? You should. If you don't, here's a bit of information that should be alarming to you, assuming you're among us middle class peasants:







Anything? Or is the bottom half of America just 'lazy'?

Also, I do enjoy the fact that you said 'small group' when referring to those I mentioned. I wonder why poll after poll shows a large number of young people have soured on the idea of Capitalism? Could it be because of the 2008 crash and bailing out wall street? Wait..what about the endless wars? What about the fact that college tuition has gone up 130% in 25 years?

Who could it be, now?:


Fewer Than Half of Young Americans View Capitalism Positively

Americans aged 18 to 29 are as positive about socialism (51%) as they are about capitalism (45%). This represents a 12-point decline in young adults' positive views of capitalism in just the past two years and a marked shift since 2010, when 68% viewed it positively. Meanwhile, young people's views of socialism have fluctuated somewhat from year to year, but the 51% with a positive view today is the same as in 2010.

Older Americans have been consistently more positive about capitalism than socialism. For those 50 and older, twice as many currently have a positive view of capitalism as of socialism.




The only people "who see the detrimental effect of Capitalism in their everyday lives" are the people not successfully working that system, and don't have the means to challenge those who are... because they are not.
So hilarious to me...
Ah..the ol conservative 'survival of the fittest/bootstraps' line. We have to know how to 'work the system'.

It's just common sense that a variety of factors contribute to 'success' (loosely defined as wealth accumulated--btw...great goals we have, huh?) in a capitalistic society--namely generational wealth, race, class, etc. I don't think there's any way I'd ignore that to fit my agenda.
 
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Capitalism makes the US the richest and most powerful country on earth... you can't flip a light switch, buy a doughnut, start your car, or type this message without capitalism as it is today...
Many utilities, including electric, are publicly owned and the infrastructure built with public funds. The FDA ensures that the doughnut you bought is actually a doughnut and not glazed rat droppings. DARPA is part of the Dept of Defense.

I'm in support of capitalism, to be clear, but this notion that these things *only* exist because of capitalism solely, that our standard of living is entirely capitalistic is an unfair, unreasonable generalization

The only people "who see the detrimental effect of Capitalism in their everyday lives" are the people not successfully working that system, and don't have the means to challenge those who are... because they are not.
"only" is not correct. The "system" isn't totally equitable and the notion that the "only" ones who suffer are the ones who just don't know how to work the system. The system has become increasingly inaccessible for many and to state in such extreme terms of exclusion isn't the most accurate nor constructive way to frame the very real ways our brand of capitalism can be detrimental to Americans and those abroad
 
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Capitalism is only NOT EQUITABLE to those not fully willing to work it... It's increasingly inaccessible is to only those that don't have the courage to take advantage of it... The gap has grown due to more and more people being willing dependents as a lifestyle... I not going to have a lot of empathy for people that are unwilling to take the risks afforded by capitalism to better their lives, sorry....

Especially not enough to where I'd consider scrapping the system that not only built our country, but also keeps us being the the country people are literally climbing walls and risking their families welfare to get into...

We are the first of all first world countries because of the rare and opportunistic form of capitalism that exists here in the US....

Good luck convincing all the people that have successfully worked this system, and spent their entire lives benefiting and lifting their families out of despair from it... to all of a sudden stop liking money and prosperity and/or power... just because there are some people out there that have decided they want something they haven't earned on their own merit.

This notion of equality without equal effort, risk, and time... is Hilarious.

Also: I realize there is a need for some social programs in this country to help protect our most vulnerable, vested, disabled, veteran, and elderly citizens... outside of that... go earn it like the rest of us that have pulled ourselves out of single parent home poverty hell.
 

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