Next Speaker of the House? (3 Viewers)

[MT15]

There’s a lot of doubt that Kevin McCarthy will be able to get enough votes to become Speaker. It certainly won’t happen on the first ballot. Already Boboert and MTG are publicly at odds over it.

Maybe this is worth it’s own thread to watch. One person mentioned is Scalise.

 

[MT15]

 

[J-DONK]

That link you provided is a perfect example of the problem. The interviewer asked Jeffries specifically if his idea of a unity candidate implies that 5 Republicans need to vote for him as speaker, and the closest he would come is saying that it isn't about him. Then he was asked if it would be a Republican speaker with more power for Democrats, and again he wouldn't say that he would support a Republican. I've heard many other Democrats interviewed, and they always said Republicans should back Jeffries. I've also read multiple posters on here say that's the smart play for Democrats, and I always disagreed, because I knew the end result would be a worse speaker, than if they actually agreed to support a moderate Republican. Maybe I don't get it, but that's exactly how it played out, and I anticipate worse things from this speaker than we got from McCarthy. If Democrats had played their cards right, the country could pass legislation to strengthen Democracy. Now, lord help us.

Democrats never trusted Republicans to vote for one of their members. Whatever this new R speaker passes can be directly tied to Democrats. That was never going to happen, full stop. It was either vote for a Democrat of their choosing, or nothing.

What could a Republican even offer them? They just proved they have zero control of their members.

 

[Lapaz]

Democrats never trusted Republicans to vote for one of their members. Whatever this new R speaker passes can be directly tied to Democrats. That was never going to happen, full stop. It was either vote for a Democrat of their choosing, or nothing.

What could a Republican even offer them? They just proved they have zero control of their members.

A moderate Republican would've offered them negotiation, and the hope of passing bi-partisan legislation. Most legislation would only get a few Republican votes, but now there probably won't be any bi-partisan legislation. It will all be party line crazy stuff.

 

[Lapaz]

And yet none did. The fact that none of them even considered working or reached out to dems doesn’t convince you otherwise? Fear of the party is greater than the good of the country.

No Republicans worked with Democrats, but Democrats never made any serious attempts. If they wanted a better outcome, they should've offered to support a moderate. Now we got what we got. Saying there was no chance is wrong. Democrats never made it clear they would support a Republican. It was all implication, and/or Jeffries. I think Democrats thought they might actually get a Democratic speaker, and THAT was the true fantasy.

 

[Lapaz]

How could the democrats vote for a moderate R when they never put one up for a vote? They couldn’t ever vote present because everyone who ran was MAGA. No moderate Rs ever tried to work with Dems. Zero.

Republicans don't have to put a moderate to a vote. Didn't you notice all of the other candidates that got votes that weren't the nominee of the Republicans? A coalition of Democrats could vote for anyone they want. The Democrats are the ones that stood to lose the most, so they are the ones that should've offered to vote for a moderate Republican, without any implications.

 

[MT15]

No Republicans worked with Democrats, but Democrats never made any serious attempts. If they wanted a better outcome, they should've offered to support a moderate. Now we got what we got. Saying there was no chance is wrong. Democrats never made it clear they would support a Republican. It was all implication, and/or Jeffries. I think Democrats thought they might actually get a Democratic speaker, and THAT was the true fantasy.

How do you know there were no serious attempts? They did offer to work with a moderate. There aren’t any left that would work with them.

 

[MT15]

Republicans don't have to put a moderate to a vote. Didn't you notice all of the other candidates that got votes that weren't the nominee of the Republicans? A coalition of Democrats could vote for anyone they want. The Democrats are the ones that stood to lose the most, so they are the ones that should've offered to vote for a moderate Republican, without any implications.

This is a fantasy. They weren’t going to just vote for some random R without any sort of deal worked out so that they would get a good faith effort to not shut down the government and to support Ukraine. And nobody from the R side would talk to them. Blaming Dems for this is just crazy, IMO.

 

[Lapaz]

How do you know there were no serious attempts? They did offer to work with a moderate. There aren’t any left that would work with them.

Maybe they did behind the scenes, but I never heard anything publicly that they would support a Republican. I posted a list of moderates earlier, so there are moderate Rs. They are the minority, but there are some.

 

[Lapaz]

This is a fantasy. They weren’t going to just vote for some random R without any sort of deal worked out so that they would get a good faith effort to not shut down the government and to support Ukraine. And nobody from the R side would talk to them. Blaming Dems for this is just crazy, IMO.

Who said random, nor no deal? I've repeatedly said they should strike a deal AND vote for a moderate R, otherwise I predicted Republicans would get their act together to choose someone much more undesirable. All Dems did was put terms on the table of what they wanted, but never made it clear that they would support a moderate R. It could've been interpreted as that they would agree to these terms to get Republicans to support a Democrat, which was a true fantasy. There should've been a vocal bi-partisan coalition working to elect a moderate R in purple/blue districts, and pressure their constituents, just like Republicans put on the pressure.

 

[J-DONK]

A moderate Republican would've offered them negotiation, and the hope of passing bi-partisan legislation. Most legislation would only get a few Republican votes, but now there probably won't be any bi-partisan legislation. It will all be party line crazy stuff.

Do you really think Republicans are going to abandon their decades old hastert rule? That's what you are proposing here, and why you are getting so much pushback. As MT15 said, it comes across as a fantasy.

 

[cuddlemonkey]

Who said random, nor no deal? I've repeatedly said they should strike a deal AND vote for a moderate R, otherwise I predicted Republicans would get their act together to choose someone much more undesirable. All Dems did was put terms on the table of what they wanted, but never made it clear that they would support a moderate R. It could've been interpreted as that they would agree to these terms to get Republicans to support a Democrat, which was a true fantasy. There should've been a vocal bi-partisan coalition working to elect a moderate R in purple/blue districts, and pressure their constituents, just like Republicans put on the pressure.

So the Dems set the table and extended an invitation but nobody came, and it's somehow the Dems fault? That's some gold medal-level mental gymnastics.

 

[MT15]

Putting this here because this lady was nasty to a journalist who asked a question at a press conference, and made all the other GOP MAGAs laugh smile, including the new Speaker.

 

[MT15]

 

[LA - L.A.]

No Republicans worked with Democrats, but Democrats never made any serious attempts.

Did you sit on every private, unreported meeting? Did you listen in to every private, unreported phone call?

You seem very adamant that you know something that you can't possibly know and all of your opinions are based on that adamant belief.

 

[MT15]

Smarmy butt crevasse

 

[DaveXA]

Smarmy butt crevasse

Well, I mean, who's shocked? This is what he is.

 

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'I've prayed for each of you': How Mike Johnson led a campaign of election denial

The new speaker, an unsung enabler of Trump's last-ditch effort, privately urged his colleagues to oppose the election results the day before the attack on the Capitol.

www.politico.com

 

[Lapaz]

Did you sit on every private, unreported meeting? Did you listen in to every private, unreported phone call?

You seem very adamant that you know something that you can't possibly know and all of your opinions are based on that adamant belief.

I've said no serious attempts were made public, and I think it needed to be public to put pressure on the moderates. All Dems ever said is that they wanted a coalition and some terms met, but that isn't the same as voting for an R. Yes, one can reasonably infer that, but that's not how politics works. Politics is about stirring people up to influence them, not being meely mouthed with implications. Dems screwed up, and can now only hope that Johnson changes his ways, which is a fantasy. As it is, moderate Rs can hide behind a claim that Democrats didn't reach out to them to support an R, when they face re-election in their purple/blue districts. When Republicans tank the economy, they'll get some sympathizers.