Musk Droppings (2 Viewers)

[Huntn]

SpaceX’s Starship explodes in second failure for Musk’s Mars program

Back-to-back mishaps indicate big setbacks for program to launch satellites and send humans to the moon and Mars

www.theguardian.com

The failure comes just more than a month after the company’s seventh Starship flight also ended in an explosive failure. The back-to-back mishaps occurred in early mission phases that SpaceX has easily surpassed previously, indicating serious setbacks for a program Musk has sought to speed up this year.

 

[MT15]

Eberhard and Tarpenning were never going to get Tesla going. They simply lacked the stuff. One is worth 1/2 a billion the other 1.5+ billion. Not bad for an idea they had no chance of bringing to fruition.

Just idle speculation from you. Doesn’t mean a thing.

For all we know they would have grown Tesla in a different way. An ethical way. A way where investors and government regulators weren’t lied to. A way where people wouldn’t have died because safety concerns were routinely ignored.

 

[Incumbent]

I’m not sure I totally agree 100 percent. Yes we don’t or work live in a vacuum. We all benefit from our experience and education. True enough. But what one does with those experiences is up to the individual. As I said earlier, if it were easy, everyone would be doing it. Not everyone has the skill set or the drive to run or build a business. I think that’s especially true when it comes to startups and/or entrepreneurial organizations.

What people do with their “potential” and “opportunities” depends a lot on them. Some folks just aren’t wired for it.

That isn't a conflicting opinion, though, because I haven't suggested everybody has the same skills and drive.

 

[Sendai]

I believe his father staked him at $28K in the 1990’s. Elon turned that into 500B to 700B in 30 years. I can raise 28K. I could raise 28K in the 1990s. But that amount of money to me was significant as it is to many people and they are unwilling to either take the risk or assume the responsibility. It is true that Elon probably didn’t worry about the downside. But fact remains, he took 28K and turned it into hundreds of billions in three decades. Like him or hate him if you want, but you can’t deny him credit for his success. He has been extremely lucky but he was willing to take risks and put in the work. I have found in my career that not everyone in business will like you. Lots of entrepreneurs are driven like that.

It was the $3 million dollar investment from Mohr Davidow Ventures that funded Zip2. Mohr Davidow Ventures also set in motion proper work visas to protect their investment.

Prior to Compaq acquiring Zip2 I did an evaluation of Zip2 for my company.

In the mid 80’s I introduced my company to government data streams and built in a Zip2 type of function for our enterprise systems. Then compaq bought zip2 and we were a company that used Compaq computers. Big win.

 

[Sendai]

He also lied and broke the law on his and his brothers immigration papers and bragged about it. Were supposed to be students but dropped out of school within weeks to start a company. So why given the way ICE is taking naturalized citizents to court over tiny infractions on their papers, are those of you who support ICE not up in arms about Musk?

In 1995 nobody cared. As soon as we found out about visa problems with talent it was quickly resolved. Talent prevailed . It got so I’d go to naturalizations once or twice a month. Mostly Chinese and Indian.

 

[Sendai]

If you are ready to hold everyone to the same standard, count me in. We need consistency.

For the record, I don’t believe it is practical to deport 25+ million people. So we need legislation that addresses border policy and immigration in a comprehensive fashion as well as addresses how we deal with the undocumented migrants already in country.

Yeah, well nobody’s gonna deport 25 million. At the current rate I doubt they get more than 2.2 million by the end of the term. Bit of a fools errand.

 

[TampaJoe]

That isn't a conflicting opinion, though, because I haven't suggested everybody has the same skills and drive.

Ok

 

[Dragon]

In 1995 nobody cared. As soon as we found out about visa problems with talent it was quickly resolved. Talent prevailed . It got so I’d go to naturalizations once or twice a month. Mostly Chinese and Indian.

So people who made a small error on their paperwork in 1970s and whose citizentship has been rewoked and been deported should stay as well? The Musk brothers never intended to fullfill their claim of studying so in their case it was outright fradulent!! And the only talent those two had was to find and buy into OTHERS inventions and ideas.

You are still making excuses for every infraction and lawbreaking member of this lawless administration!

 

[Dragon]

Yeah, well nobody’s gonna deport 25 million. At the current rate I doubt they get more than 2.2 million by the end of the term. Bit of a fools errand.

“Only 2.2 million” still means 2.2 million human beings.

99% of them have never committed a violent crime — some are being targeted over decades-old minor infractions, paperwork issues, or traffic violations. Every number in that statistic is a person whose life is being torn apart: families separated, children losing parents, people dying in ICE custody, and others being deported to countries — often on entirely different continents, especially in Africa — where they have no family, no support network, don’t speak the language, and have no realistic way to return to the country they actually consider home.

Imagine being dumped in a place you barely know, unable to communicate, unable to work, with no money, no connections, and no path back to your spouse, children, or community. That is what these policies are doing to real people.

So no, the fact that it’s “only” 2.2 million doesn’t make it acceptable. The casual way you reduce mass human suffering to a disappointing scorecard IS exactly the problem.

 

[TampaJoe]

“Only 2.2 million” still means 2.2 million human beings.

99% of them have never committed a violent crime — some are being targeted over decades-old minor infractions, paperwork issues, or traffic violations. Every number in that statistic is a person whose life is being torn apart: families separated, children losing parents, people dying in ICE custody, and others being deported to countries — often on entirely different continents, especially in Africa — where they have no family, no support network, don’t speak the language, and have no realistic way to return to the country they actually consider home.

Imagine being dumped in a place you barely know, unable to communicate, unable to work, with no money, no connections, and no path back to your spouse, children, or community. That is what these policies are doing to real people.

So no, the fact that it’s “only” 2.2 million doesn’t make it acceptable. The casual way you reduce mass human suffering to a disappointing scorecard IS exactly the problem.

So why have immigration laws? Neither party can pass an immigration bill. So I guess we should just ignore people who violated our immigration laws? I get what you are saying but simply ignoring laws isn’t really an answer either.

I believe this was the plan all along in the Biden administration. They knew that if they let all these folks into the country how difficult and costly it would be to adjudicate and enforce the law. They banked on it. They are as responsible for this shirtstorm as anyone in the Trump admin in my opinion.

 

[Dragon]

I’m not debating that he had some early advantages. I don’t see them as huge but they were there nonetheless. He was less risk adverse because of it.

He still broke the law... So because he had access to funds --then it is ok to break the law? Is that what you are saying ?

 

[TampaJoe]

He still broke the law... So because he had access to funds --then it is ok to break the law? Is that what you are saying ?

No. It is not okay to break laws. It is not okay to ignore a duty to enforce laws. It is not okay to circumvent or bend laws to accomplish a political objective. It ALL undermines the rule of law and confidence in government.

 

[Dragon]

So why have immigration laws? Neither party can pass an immigration bill. So I guess we should just ignore people who violated our immigration laws? I get what you are saying but simply ignoring laws isn’t really an answer either.

I believe this was the plan all along in the Biden administration. They knew that if they let all these folks into the country how difficult and costly it would be to adjudicate and enforce the law. They banked on it. They are as responsible for this shirtstorm as anyone in the Trump admin in my opinion.

A few posts above this answer you made excuses for Musk who deliberately BROKE those laws.... Deporting people to where they come from if they break the law is one thing. It is quite another to deport people to a completely different continent! Also they are deporting people who are in process of seeking asylum and who has done everything by the book - and at the same time completely ignoring US court orders! So don't talk about the law. The current US adminiistration don't care about the law!

 

[TampaJoe]

A few posts above this answer you made excuses for Musk who deliberately BROKE those laws.... Deporting people to where they come from if they break the law is one thing. It is quite another to deport people to a completely different continent! Also they are deporting people who are in process of seeking asylum and who has done everything by the book - and at the same time completely ignoring US court orders! So don't talk about the law. The current US adminiistration don't care about the law!

I don’t recall making any excuses for Musk in this regard. You have me confused with someone else.

As I said earlier, we need to enforce immigration until such time as our legislature can get its crap together and pass new legislation.

 

[Sendai]

“Only 2.2 million” still means 2.2 million human beings.

99% of them have never committed a violent crime — some are being targeted over decades-old minor infractions, paperwork issues, or traffic violations. Every number in that statistic is a person whose life is being torn apart: families separated, children losing parents, people dying in ICE custody, and others being deported to countries — often on entirely different continents, especially in Africa — where they have no family, no support network, don’t speak the language, and have no realistic way to return to the country they actually consider home.

Imagine being dumped in a place you barely know, unable to communicate, unable to work, with no money, no connections, and no path back to your spouse, children, or community. That is what these policies are doing to real people.

So no, the fact that it’s “only” 2.2 million doesn’t make it acceptable. The casual way you reduce mass human suffering to a disappointing scorecard IS exactly the problem.

Obama 3.1 million, Biden 1.1 million.

 

[Huntn]

You got that covered all on your own.

That’s it, when it comes to your party or conservative side of the spectrum, mum’s the word. A shame you don’t actually act as a neutral, if pretending to be neutral or even holding wrong doing accountable. Your silence in this matter is deafening, at best you’ll revert to quoting statistics “what some people want”, to defacto legitimize wrong doing.