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[Huntn]

Anxiety surges as Donald Trump may be indicted soon: Why 2024 is 'the final battle' and 'the big one'​

Anxiety surges as Donald Trump may be indicted soon: Why 2024 is 'the final battle' and 'the big one'

Donald Trump's many legal problems – and calls for protests – have generated new fears of political violence and anxiety about the 2024 election.

www.yahoo.com

WASHINGTON – It looks like American politics is entering a new age of anxiety, triggered by an unprecedented legal development: The potential indictment of a former president and current presidential candidate.

Donald Trump's many legal problems – and calls for protests by his followers – have generated new fears of political violence and anxiety about the unknowable impact all this will have on the already-tense 2024 presidential election

I’ll reframe this is a more accurate way, Are Presidents above the law? This new age was spurred into existence when home grown dummies elected a corrupt, mentally ill, anti-democratic, would be dictator as President and don’t bother to hold him responsible for his crimes, don’t want to because in the ensuing mayhem and destruction, they think they will be better off. The man is actually advocating violence (not the first time). And btw, screw democracy too. If this feeling spreads, we are In deep shirt.

This goes beyond one treasonous Peice of work and out to all his minions. This is on you or should we be sympathetic to the idea of they can’t help being selfish suckers to the Nation’s detriment? Donald Trump is the single largest individual threat to our democracy and it‘s all going to boil down to will the majority of the GOP return to his embrace and start slinging his excrement to support him?

 

[TampaJoe]

There is not one single proof that Biden did anything under the influence of his son, NADA. and that despite years of investigations. Republicans claiming that without evidence is apparently enough for you. Furthermore Hunter was never a part of any Obama or Biden administration. But there is very clear proof that both Jared and Ivanka benefittet from their official employee positions in the white house.

Don’t change the subject. Answer the question.

How much influence peddling and corruption is okay in your book? Quit dodging the question.

 

[DaveXA]

And it just gets worse.

Eh, this has been the case for a while, at least in federal buildings. They all or most already have a pic/portrait of the current President in their buildings. Now beyond federal buildings...I have no idea.

 

[TampaJoe]

Do you think taking a couple boxes of pens from the office home is the same as embezzling millions of dollars? I mean both are technically stealing from the company, so they should be treated the same way right?

Okay, you don't like the jaywalking and murder comparison?

How about first degree murder vs negligent homicide vs manslaughter?

There are degrees to everything from innocent but fatal mistake to malicious and egregious

And I believe what Jared did was several degrees higher than anything Hunter Biden did

Yep. There are degrees. And when you get to the highest levels of government, that’s a pretty big deal wouldn’t you say? So tell me. How much corruption at that level is okay? Put a number on it.

And tell me when and how we are to determine when the line is crossed. Cause you gotta look to know. You gotta investigate. Rarely is there the smoking gun. You gotta have probable cause certainly. But if we have probable and then are prevented from thoroughly and independently investigating the allegations, nothing gets done. Nothing changes.

 

[Incumbent]

Don’t change the subject. Answer the question.

How much influence peddling and corruption is okay in your book? Quit dodging the question.

Pretty much every regular person wants to see corruption rooted out of government.

I caught a podcast with Scott Galloway and Anne Applebaum recently and they discussed this. He rightfully called out Nancy Pelosi for insider trading. She's not alone and we know that. They talked about the buildup to the point where we are now, but what has taken place under Trump is on an unprecedented scale and happening in the wide open, while a lot of people choose to either ignore it or don't care because it's him.

I observed Biden supporters who maintained that if he or Hunter did something wrong, they should be held accountable. I can't honestly say I've ever known a Trump supporter to support holding him accountable.

What we all *should* be able to agree on is that we need serious campaign finance reform, and strict and enforced ethical requirements for our elected officials.

 

[TampaJoe]

Pretty much every regular person wants to see corruption rooted out of government.

I caught a podcast with Scott Galloway and Anne Applebaum recently and they discussed this. He rightfully called out Nancy Pelosi for insider trading. She's not alone and we know that. They talked about the buildup to the point where we are now, but what has taken place under Trump is on an unprecedented scale and happening in the wide open, while a lot of people choose to either ignore it or don't care because it's him.

I observed Biden supporters who maintained that if he or Hunter did something wrong, they should be held accountable. I can't honestly say I've ever known a Trump supporter to support holding him accountable.

What we all *should* be able to agree on is that we need serious campaign finance reform, and strict and enforced ethical requirements for our elected officials.

I agree 100 percent.

I would go so far as to say that at certain levels, you would be precluded from holding office if you had certain conflicts that you were either unable or unwilling to mitigate.

 

[Dragon]

Don’t change the subject. Answer the question.

How much influence peddling and corruption is okay in your book? Quit dodging the question.

I did not change the subject. Hunter Biden is and has never been a public employee. If he uses his fathers name well - while it is not morally right, he is still not breaking any laws as long as it does not lead to any actions by his father. The republicans never provided any evidence of that and they were turning every stone and even fabricating fake evidence in their attempts.

If there is evidence that an employee in the widest sense (included elected officials) is taking bribes or giving special treatment or abusing inside information, to enrich themselves or to attain unfair advantages, then I want them fully procecuted.

Jared is one very clear example of the later - as is Ivanka who got a large amount of chinese trademarks when she was part of Trumps official delegation when he visited China. Trademarks that had previously been denied.

 

[Dragon]

I agree 100 percent.

I would go so far as to say that at certain levels, you would be precluded from holding office if you had certain conflicts that you were either unable or unwilling to mitigate.

So Trump should be removed ?

 

[TampaJoe]

So Trump should be removed ?

I think he is acting unethically. I thought the same of Biden. But we don’t really have a clear standard so it provides plenty of wiggle room to elected officials. The only remedy here is impeachment and that isn’t going to happen. The respective parties will just circle the wagons.

 

[Dragon]

I think he is acting unethically. I thought the same of Biden. But we don’t really have a clear standard so it provides plenty of wiggle room to elected officials. The only remedy here is impeachment and that isn’t going to happen. The respective parties will just circle the wagons.

Did you read the article in the other thread where he is using the white house to sell his crypto. And both his daughter and son in law got billions from their time as government officials. What did Biden ever do that makes that equivalent? You keep putting Biden in the same category but provides nothing but "bla...." No real example just - Biden corrupt....

So put up or stop comparing those two,...

 

[Incumbent]

I think he is acting unethically. I thought the same of Biden. But we don’t really have a clear standard so it provides plenty of wiggle room to elected officials. The only remedy here is impeachment and that isn’t going to happen. The respective parties will just circle the wagons.

You're right that nothing is going to happen because the GOP will protect Trump, but we are way past some concerns about ethical standards.

Trump's pay-to-play crypto scheme, just on its own, is overt corruption and unconstitutional. Any other president, at any other time, would have been removed from office and almost certainly faced legal consequences.

 

[Optimus Prime]

Seems on the up and up
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GD Culture Group, a small technologycompany with ties to China, announced its plans to buy as much as $300 million of $TRUMP — President Donald Trump’s memecoin.

The firm, which employs eight people, produces short videos for the Chinese-owned social media app, TikTok. While the company recorded no revenue last year, it announced this week that a mysterious stock sale would allow it to invest in Trump’s memecoin, The New York Times reported.

Trump, who has recently planned two lavish cryptocurrency-focused dinners — one of which cost a whopping $1.5 million to attend— has raised the alarm of ethicists who caution that his endeavors with his memecoin and crypto company, World Liberty Financial, could pose a conflict of interest.


GD Culture Group, which is traded on the Nasdaq, said that it would spend $300 million on a stockpile of Bitcoin and $TRUMP. It would be paid for using funds from a mysterious stock sale to an unnamed entity in the British Virgin Islands, a popular tax haven.

The purchase would directly fill the pockets of Trump’s family, as around 80 percent of the memecoin supply is controlled by the Trump Organization and its affiliates.……

TikTok creator company tied to China wants $300M in Trump’s memecoin

The firm, which employs eight people to create videos for TikTok, earned no revenue last year — yet somehow found a way to purchase as much as $300 million of $TRUMP.

www.independent.co.uk

 

[DaveXA]

Here’s the thing with this whole gift giving deal. You lose the ability to birch about “crooked” Hillary or “crooked” Joe or the swamp and corruption. This reeks of self interest. Clearly Quatar is stroking his ego. Why? I dunno and I don’t care. Is it illegal? I dunno. It is unethical. Plain and simple.

My wife worked for FedEx for 30 years. She couldn’t accept anything over $25 dollars. It was strictly prohibited. I will bet there are similar rules in place for rank and file government employees. It is high time we as citizens hold our “public servants” to some sensible ethical standards.

This whole airplane business is ridiculous on its face. He doesn’t need a plane. We got plenty of them.

I don't agree with you much, but this is an excellent post.

 

[MT15]

 

[TampaJoe]

Did you read the article in the other thread where he is using the white house to sell his crypto. And both his daughter and son in law got billions from their time as government officials. What did Biden ever do that makes that equivalent? You keep putting Biden in the same category but provides nothing but "bla...." No real example just - Biden corrupt....

So put up or stop comparing those two,...

As I said earlier, there was hundreds of thousands of dollars transacted between Biden family members and foreign entities laundered thru 20 shell companies. Biden “claims” he never discussed or had any knowledge of Hunters business and then he had to walk that back numerous times when evidence surfaced to the contrary. So the appearance is there.

But you demand proof to begin a proper independent investigation. So you supported the obstruction. The fact that those transactions were laundered thru shell companies and triggered alarms at Treasury isn’t enough. You want to believe he had no knowledge. Because to believe otherwise would mean you have to address the obvious conflict of interest. It is the same for Trump and Jared and Ivanka.

If you want to eliminate corruption the standard needs to be that you actively avoid not only real conflicts of interest but also anything that creates the appearance of a conflict. It is a higher standard. A much higher standard. It doesn’t allow for the BS that Hunter and Jim Biden did. It doesn’t allow for the crap Jared and Donald did and continue to do. It doesn’t allow for family controlled charitable foundations that take in millions upon millions of dollars from foreign entities. Why. Because those create at a minimum the appearance of a conflict of interest. When you enter public office, the bar should be raised. Not lowered.

 

[MT15]

As I said earlier, there was hundreds of thousands of dollars transacted between Biden family members and foreign entities laundered thru 20 shell companies. Biden “claims” he never discussed or had any knowledge of Hunters business and then he had to walk that back numerous times when evidence surfaced to the contrary. So the appearance is there.

But you demand proof to begin a proper independent investigation. So you supported the obstruction. The fact that those transactions were laundered thru shell companies and triggered alarms at Treasury isn’t enough. You want to believe he had no knowledge. Because to believe otherwise would mean you have to address the obvious conflict of interest. It is the same for Trump and Jared and Ivanka.

If you want to eliminate corruption the standard needs to be that you actively avoid not only real conflicts of interest but also anything that creates the appearance of a conflict. It is a higher standard. A much higher standard. It doesn’t allow for the BS that Hunter and Jim Biden did. It doesn’t allow for the crap Jared and Donald did and continue to do. It doesn’t allow for family controlled charitable foundations that take in millions upon millions of dollars from foreign entities. Why. Because those create at a minimum the appearance of a conflict of interest. When you enter public office, the bar should be raised. Not lowered.

How do you feel about current GOP house members who use shell companies themselves? There isn’t anything illegal about using shell companies per se. so yes you are holding Biden family members to a standard that even GOP reps don’t uphold, let alone Trump.

Plus a fair amount of what you say Biden family members did is questionable. The GOP “investigation” presented lies and skewed facts. Even then, all they can come up with is the appearance of possible impropriety. Unlike Trump, who is just corrupt out in the open.

 

[DJ1BigTymer]

As I said earlier, there was hundreds of thousands of dollars transacted between Biden family members and foreign entities laundered thru 20 shell companies. Biden “claims” he never discussed or had any knowledge of Hunters business and then he had to walk that back numerous times when evidence surfaced to the contrary. So the appearance is there.

But you demand proof to begin a proper independent investigation. So you supported the obstruction. The fact that those transactions were laundered thru shell companies and triggered alarms at Treasury isn’t enough. You want to believe he had no knowledge. Because to believe otherwise would mean you have to address the obvious conflict of interest. It is the same for Trump and Jared and Ivanka.

If you want to eliminate corruption the standard needs to be that you actively avoid not only real conflicts of interest but also anything that creates the appearance of a conflict. It is a higher standard. A much higher standard. It doesn’t allow for the BS that Hunter and Jim Biden did. It doesn’t allow for the crap Jared and Donald did and continue to do. It doesn’t allow for family controlled charitable foundations that take in millions upon millions of dollars from foreign entities. Why. Because those create at a minimum the appearance of a conflict of interest. When you enter public office, the bar should be raised. Not lowered.

Except, NONE of this is "Biden crime family" crap is TRUE! It is a false narrative that you have been fed and there is ample Congressional testimony to show these "truths" as false. Even the main guy feeding you this junk (Rep James Comer) couldn't even back it up. Hell, you know the thread, read it.

Biden Impeachment Inquiry Hearings

Impeachment Inquiry Hearing

madaboutpolitics.com

 

[TampaJoe]

How do you feel about current GOP house members who use shell companies themselves? There isn’t anything illegal about using shell companies per se. so yes you are holding Biden family members to a standard that even GOP reps don’t uphold, let alone Trump.

Plus a fair amount of what you say Biden family members did is questionable. The GOP “investigation” presented lies and skewed facts. Even then, all they can come up with is the appearance of possible impropriety. Unlike Trump, who is just corrupt out in the open.

I don’t think the GOP should launder money through shell companies anymore than I condone it for Democrats. One standard. We should question it all. Not every unethical activity is illegal. That isn’t the standard nor should it be. Are we saying that unethical conduct and corruption is okay as long as it is legal? Is that the standard now?

So tell me MT. What is the standard? Where do we draw the line? Unethical is okay as long as it isn’t illegal? Or do we need to draw a line at all? Cause that is what we have now. How is that working?

 

[cuddlemonkey]

I don’t think the GOP should launder money through shell companies anymore than I condone it for Democrats. One standard. We should question it all. Not every unethical activity is illegal. That isn’t the standard nor should it be. Are we saying that unethical conduct and corruption is okay as long as it is legal? Is that the standard now?

So tell me MT. What is the standard? Where do we draw the line? Unethical is okay as long as it isn’t illegal? Or do we need to draw a line at all? Cause that is what we have now. How is that working?

Yet you only want to discuss Democrats whenever Trump and his grifter family are brought up.