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[Huntn]

Anxiety surges as Donald Trump may be indicted soon: Why 2024 is 'the final battle' and 'the big one'​

Anxiety surges as Donald Trump may be indicted soon: Why 2024 is 'the final battle' and 'the big one'

Donald Trump's many legal problems – and calls for protests – have generated new fears of political violence and anxiety about the 2024 election.

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WASHINGTON – It looks like American politics is entering a new age of anxiety, triggered by an unprecedented legal development: The potential indictment of a former president and current presidential candidate.

Donald Trump's many legal problems – and calls for protests by his followers – have generated new fears of political violence and anxiety about the unknowable impact all this will have on the already-tense 2024 presidential election

I’ll reframe this is a more accurate way, Are Presidents above the law? This new age was spurred into existence when home grown dummies elected a corrupt, mentally ill, anti-democratic, would be dictator as President and don’t bother to hold him responsible for his crimes, don’t want to because in the ensuing mayhem and destruction, they think they will be better off. The man is actually advocating violence (not the first time). And btw, screw democracy too. If this feeling spreads, we are In deep shirt.

This goes beyond one treasonous Peice of work and out to all his minions. This is on you or should we be sympathetic to the idea of they can’t help being selfish suckers to the Nation’s detriment? Donald Trump is the single largest individual threat to our democracy and it‘s all going to boil down to will the majority of the GOP return to his embrace and start slinging his excrement to support him?

 

[TampaJoe]

You keep trying to redirect the conversation away from the core point I was making. A Republican from PA was interviewed and she stated that she was an idiot for voting for Trump 3 times. She implied that she regrets the choice, but I suspect she wouldn’t make a different choice if she actually could.

Clearly, some people would rather see the world burn than see Biden/Harris President. It’s pretty way to see we’d be far better off with one of them President. Anyone saying otherwise is part of the cult.

I got the core point Dave. I understand you believe the Harris was a “perfectly fine” alternative. But she lost. So maybe, just maybe, she wasn’t the best candidate the Dems could have offered? Maybe “perfectly fine” wasn’t enough to draw votes away from Trump. Hence the question, knowing what you know now, would you still nominate her or would you instead offer up a candidate like Shapiro or Wes Moore in the hopes of appealing to moderate Republicans and Independents?

 

[TampaJoe]

Also doesn’t shift the blame away from those who didn’t vote. They’re as much responsible for Trump getting elected as anyone else. Those non-votes were essentially saying they accept whatever outcome. Making excuses for not voting is chickensheet. A variation of TACO, yeah.

Not really. Maybe it is saying we are fed up with “perfectly fine” candidates for the highest job in the land and the leader of the free world.

 

[MT15]

No, what it actually says is what Dave said. People like you would rather see the US in a disaster of the president’s doing, like we are currently seeing unfold, than see a normal person in charge that you don’t like for “reasons”.

Anyone not poisoned by propaganda knew what a disaster Trump would be. We saw him bungle his way through his first term, we knew what Project 2025 says, we knew he wants to be a dictator.

And you didn’t care about any of that enough to vote for someone who would preserve America because you disagreed with some of her policies. You either don’t care about what Trump is doing - all the rampant corruption, all the broken laws, all the starting stupid wars - or you like it.

 

[efil4]

No, what it actually says is what Dave said. People like you would rather see the US in a disaster of the president’s doing, like we are currently seeing unfold, than see a normal person in charge that you don’t like for “reasons”.

Anyone not poisoned by propaganda knew what a disaster Trump would be. We saw him bungle his way through his first term, we knew what Project 2025 says, we knew he wants to be a dictator.

And you didn’t care about any of that enough to vote for someone who would preserve America because you disagreed with some of her policies. You either don’t care about what Trump is doing - all the rampant corruption, all the broken laws, all the starting stupid wars - or you like it.

no its folks like him that cannot rationalize and accept they have been "conned".

So they do what they will always do. Place blame on someone, anyone else, other than themselves. Because to take responsibility would be to admit they were conned in the first place, and their pride simply will not let them do that.

"im too smart to get conned, so has to be all those other reasons"

Its that simple. There are 100s of 1000s of Joes out there that are dealing with this issue. Some better than others ( digging heels in vs lady on TV saying "im the dumbarse" )

 

[Incumbent]

Debating the hypothetical "better Democrat" perhaps sounds logical and reasonable on the surface, but it ignores an awful lot of other factors. It's a way of reducing the complexity of modern social and political realities into something simple, and attempts to shift blame away from a lot of what is wrong. It's a belief that is rooted in the myth of a free and fair exchange of ideas.

We need campaign finance reform and dark money out of politics. We need enforced standards for media and social media that don't allow misinformation to flow freely. We need media that isn't being gobbled up and controlled by billionaires, pushing their interests by intentionally shaping the way people think.

It's hard to argue for "better candidates" in a society that doesn't already uncompromisingly value "better qualities" in people.

We need a society that doesn't value the superficial, doesn't follow their worst impulses, and isn't so easily manipulated against their own best interests. We're moving in the wrong direction.

Recognize and fix a lot of what is broken in society and the result will be better people making for better candidates, regardless of party affiliation. That's far more important but also an extremely daunting challenge.

 

[coldseat]

I got the core point Dave. I understand you believe the Harris was a “perfectly fine” alternative. But she lost. So maybe, just maybe, she wasn’t the best candidate the Dems could have offered? Maybe “perfectly fine” wasn’t enough to draw votes away from Trump. Hence the question, knowing what you know now, would you still nominate her or would you instead offer up a candidate like Shapiro or Wes Moore in the hopes of appealing to moderate Republicans and Independents?

What this current Trump administration has proved is that 30% of this country is truly lost. Like lost all sense of rational and logical thought. Those are you diehard MAGA. Another 10% was conned by Republicans and Trump and they just won't admit it.

Those 30% that are truly lost went from not wanting any more wars in the middle east (only 20% of them supported the war with Iran before the war started) to enthusiastically supporting war with Iran (by 80%) overnight because Trump told them too. That says it all right there. That 30% is the reason this country is failing and falling into a rapid decline. Everything that is bringing this country down is coming from that 30%.

 

[TampaJoe]

Debating the hypothetical "better Democrat" perhaps sounds logical and reasonable on the surface, but it ignores an awful lot of other factors. It's a way of reducing the complexity of modern social and political realities into something simple, and attempts to shift blame away from a lot of what is wrong. It's a belief that is rooted in the myth of a free and fair exchange of ideas.

We need campaign finance reform and dark money out of politics. We need enforced standards for media and social media that don't allow misinformation to flow freely. We need media that isn't being gobbled up and controlled by billionaires, pushing their interests by intentionally shaping the way people think.

It's hard to argue for "better candidates" in a society that doesn't already uncompromisingly value "better qualities" in people.

We need a society that doesn't value the superficial, doesn't follow their worst impulses, and isn't so easily manipulated against their own best interests. We're moving in the wrong direction.

Recognize and fix a lot of what is broken in society and the result will be better people making for better candidates, regardless of party affiliation. That's far more important but also an extremely daunting challenge.

Until the established parties realize that they can’t take voters for granted, nothing will change. If you want to win, put forward your best candidate and your best policies instead of someone you characterize as “perfectly acceptable”. That description also fits someone who just meets the minimums.

We haven’t seen the best nominees in several elections. IMO

I don’t disagree with some of the reforms you mention. I’m not sure how you get there. We do need higher standards.

 

[coldseat]

Until the established parties realize that they can’t take voters for granted, nothing will change. If you want to win, put forward your best candidate and your best policies instead of someone you characterize as “perfectly acceptable”. That description also fits someone who just meets the minimums.

We haven’t seen the best nominees in several elections. IMO

I don’t disagree with some of the reforms you mention. I’m not sure how you get there. We do need higher standards.

Who determines "the best" candidate? Your idea of the best Democratic candidate is just a Republican. That's not what Democrat voters are going to vote for. So if Democrats want Democrat voters to vote for their candidate, they'd better chose somebody that isn't just a Republican.

 

[TampaJoe]

What this current Trump administration has proved is that 30% of this country is truly lost. Like lost all sense of rational and logical thought. Those are you diehard MAGA. Another 10% was conned by Republicans and Trump and they just won't admit it.

Those 30% that are truly lost went from not wanting any more wars in the middle east (only 20% of them supported the war with Iran before the war started) to enthusiastically supporting war with Iran (by 80%) overnight because Trump told them too. That says it all right there. That 30% is the reason this country is failing and falling into a rapid decline. Everything that is bringing this country down is coming from that 30%.

The parties are more interested in playing politics than governing. That is certainly true.

 

[TampaJoe]

Who determines "the best" candidate? Your idea of the best Democratic candidate is just a Republican. That's not what Democrat voters are going to vote for. So if Democrats want Democrat voters to vote for their candidate, they'd better chose somebody that isn't just a Republican.

I’m not suggesting that Democrats run Republicans or vice versa. But whoever is elected from either party needs to be able to work with the other party to move the country forward. The parties are more interested in fighting that finding solutions.

 

[LA 2 L.A.]

The parties are more interested in playing politics than governing. That is certainly true.

Rolling out the bullshirt "both sides" argument as usual. You only ever do it when it's Republicans being criticized. That's what makes you so obvious and transparent.

 

[Incumbent]

Until the established parties realize that they can’t take voters for granted, nothing will change. If you want to win, put forward your best candidate and your best policies instead of someone you characterize as “perfectly acceptable”. That description also fits someone who just meets the minimums.

We haven’t seen the best nominees in several elections. IMO

I don’t disagree with some of the reforms you mention. I’m not sure how you get there. We do need higher standards.

I think you're much closer to agreeing with what I'm saying than you are acknowledging.

I hope we can *genuinely* agree that Trump isn't the "best candidate" putting forth the "best policies" for his party, and yet the Republicans won with him twice. I think that has a lot more to do with social and systemic faults and shortcomings than any notion that he is clearly a better candidate than Clinton and Harris. Or, to your point, what do *you* think made Biden "better" than those two enough that he could win?

I'm not absolving the Democratic Party in all of this but I do think the problem goes way beyond what you're saying.

 

[coldseat]

I’m not suggesting that Democrats run Republicans or vice versa. But whoever is elected from either party needs to be able to work with the other party to move the country forward. The parties are more interested in fighting that finding solutions.

That will never happen with the current state of Republican voters and politicians. Overall, what Democrats propose and want of the country is just better for the majority of its' citizens, including most Republicans. That's just an objective truth. It may not be the best that we can do, but it's better.

The things Republicans propose, advocate for and do when they gain control of this country always drags us down. ALWAYS! We are always having to "rebuild" after Republicans administration. The Republican politics of denying science and objective truth while starting wars and carrying out draconian policies against those in our citizenry they despise, always drags us down. You can't work with something like that. Until Republicans reckon with what they have become and its destructiveness and change course, things will never change. We're just going to continue to degrade. That's internal work Republicans need to do, but they will never address it with people like yourself continuing with the both sides crap. It's not both sides.

 

[TampaJoe]

I think you're much closer to agreeing with what I'm saying than you are acknowledging.

I hope we can *genuinely* agree that Trump isn't the "best candidate" putting forth the "best policies" for his party, and yet the Republicans won with him twice. I think that has a lot more to do with social and systemic faults and shortcomings than any notion that he is clearly a better candidate than Clinton and Harris. Or, to your point, what do *you* think made Biden "better" than those two enough that he could win?

I'm not absolving the Democratic Party in all of this but I do think the problem goes way beyond what you're saying.

I may very well be closer to agreeing with you. I don’t disagree with much of what you posted.

I think we look too much at the packaging and not enough at the actual ingredients and the track record. There are lots of things I believe make Trump unfit in my view. The same holds true for Biden, Clinton and Harris. That is not to say they were the same things. I think we should evaluate them on their own merits. If they don’t pass muster then it doesn’t matter in my mind who they are running against. I’m not voting for them. Why vote for someone you don’t think is fit to do the job? That is my logic. You may have different logic and that is okay.

My point in all this is that we aren’t seeing the best candidates.

 

[RobF]

How much more cringing have you guys got left in you at this point?

 

[LA 2 L.A.]

My point in all this is that we aren’t seeing the best candidates.

That's very clearly your opinion.

 

[efil4]

How much more cringing have you guys got left in you at this point?

i have no more words. none.

there is no redeeming quality in this man at all.

 

[Neworleansfan]

How much more cringing have you guys got left in you at this point?

The fork.