Is The American Well Being Poisoned? (2 Viewers)

[TomT]

Part 1 Current situation

America is in distress. Our social media addiction has resulted in an America that has become a Tower of Babel. Babel is not a story about tribalism. It’s a story about the fragmentation of everything.

America is living James Madison’s nightmare. Social Media has driven the explosive spread of anger that James Madison had tried to protect us from as he was drafting the U.S. Constitution. The Framers of the Constitution knew that democracy had an Achilles’ heel because it depended on the collective judgment of the people, and democratic communities are subject to “the turbulency and weakness of unruly passions.” The key to designing a sustainable republic, therefore, was to build in mechanisms to slow things down, cool passions, require compromise, and give leaders some insulation from the mania of the moment while still holding them accountable to the people periodically, on Election Day. Today the opposite is true.

The current information environment makes it easy to spread misinformation, disinformation, and outright propaganda that distorts voter representation and leadership accountability. Algorithms disseminate false information widely to millions of people and convince them to cast ballots in ways that run contrary to their self-interest or further internal political divisions. Leadership accountability requires voters have access to reliable information, but the prevalence of fake news and false information undermines democratic elections and endangers the system as a whole. These risks not just with elections, but anti law enforcement animas against all levels of government. All of these flaws in our information ecosystem harm democracy and weaken popular sovereignty. However, it has led to the steady growth of the Flat Earth Society.

CQ Roll Call asked every member of Congress whether they had received a death threat since 2020. Of the 147 who responded, 110 — or about 75 percent — said yes. While more Democrats replied to their inquiry than Republicans, 95 to 52, death threats were pervasive among both parties: 74 percent of Democrats said they had received one, compared with 77 percent of GOP respondents.

Suicide is a leading cause of death in the United States, with 45,979 deaths in 2020. This is about one death every 11 minutes. The number of people who think about or attempt suicide is even higher. In 2020, an estimated 12.2 million American adults seriously thought about suicide, 3.2 million planned a suicide attempt, and 1.2 million attempted suicide.

Almost 21 million Americans have at least 1 addiction, yet only 10% of them receive treatment. Drug overdose deaths have more than tripled since 1990. Alcohol and drug addiction cost the US economy over $600 billion every year. 138.543 million or 50.0% of people aged 12 and over have illicitly used drugs in their lifetime.

A growing number have lost faith in organized religion. For the first time since the late 1930s, fewer than half of Americans say they belong to a church, synagogue or mosque, according to a new report from Gallup.

New APA Poll shows sustained anxiety among Americans. More than half of parents are concerned about the mental well-being of their children.

Disagreements about who is truly American are part of a broader cleavage in American culture. 70% of Republicans believe that America’s culture and way of life have changed for the worse since the 1950s, while 63% of Democrats believe that they have changed for the better. Strong majorities of Republicans agree that “Things have changed so much that I often feel like a stranger in my own county,” that “Today, America is in danger of losing its culture and identity,” and that “the American way of life needs to be protected for foreign influences.” Majorities of Democrats reject these propositions.

Support for political violence is significant. In February 2021, 39% of Republicans, 31% of Independents, and 17% of Democrats agreed that “if elected leaders will not protect America, the people must do it themselves, even if it requires violent actions.” In November, 30% of Republicans, 17% of Independents, and 11% of Democrats agreed that they might have to resort to violence in order to save our country.”

Recently, millions of Americans have come to believe that elections workers, systems, equipment and election audits are corrupt. Judges at all level are corrupt. The Department of Justice and the FBI are corrupt. Most media are corrupt. The IRS is corrupt. The opposition party is corrupt. All of which is fueled by self-serving social media algorithms crafted by billionaires to keep us all “informed.”

https://www.csis.org/analysis/escalating-terrorism-problem-united-states

https://www.brookings.edu/research/is-democracy-failing-and-putting-our-economic-system-at-risk/

https://www.journalofdemocracy.org/articles/the-rise-of-political-violence-in-the-united-states/

https://www.psychiatry.org/newsroom...about-the-mental-well-being-of-their-children

https://www.americamagazine.org/fai...hAcLHgdslW40S7UbdcMTOQdX_goXqqGwaAqSzEALw_wcB

https://www.cdc.gov/suicide/facts/i...s a serious public,one death every 11 minutes.

https://thehill.com/opinion/campaig...e-left-or-the-right-its-a-dangerous-question/

 

[Saintamaniac]

Are you talking about kids or adults trans? HUGE difference. I don't think anyone care about adults dressing up as the opposite sex. The problem is the push to have children attempt (it is after all impossible) their sex before or during puberty.

If a parent wants to pimp out their child for sex/money, are you saying it is tyrannical for society to have laws to protect against that type of abuse. What about incest? It doesn't hurt anyone right?

@Farb (a self-identified MAGA Fascist) are you really comparing children wanting to be called by the gender they identify with to rape? Are you aware that incest is typically associated with rape?

Here's the problem with communicating with self-identified MAGA fascist who don't give a damn about the constitution. You guys tend to point to the extreme when you can't really defend your position. How does a discussion on children and their gender identification compare to rape and incest? How do you make that jump in your mind? Is this something that you MAGA fascists believe in?

 

[Farb]

@Farb (a self-identified MAGA Fascist) are you really comparing children wanting to be called by the gender they identify with to rape? Are you aware that incest is typically associated with rape?

Here's the problem with communicating with self-identified MAGA fascist who don't give a damn about the constitution. You guys tend to point to the extreme when you can't really defend your position. How does a discussion on children and their gender identification compare to rape and incest? How do you make that jump in your mind? Is this something that you MAGA fascists believe in?

You people love your boxes and labels.

The question remains, are we talking about trans adults or trans children. If you think my statement was comparing rape and pronouns you are not even trying anymore. Not even sure when I brought kids using pronouns. So maybe you are comparing incest to the use of pronouns. Maybe you need to explore that.

Do you support giving puberty blockers to children? It really is starting to sound like you are. Why defend it?

Since you do ( I am accused of comparing pronoun usage with rape) can you explain why it is a good medial idea to alter a healthy body in an attempt to treat a medical disorder? Can we think of any other mental disorder we do this for on children that are 14 and 15 years old?

 

[coldseat]

Do you support giving puberty blockers to children? It really is starting to sound like you are. Why defend it?

Why do you think we even have puberty blockers in the first place? Do you think they were developed and given to adults before they were given to trans kids? Do you think they were developed only for trans kids (hahahaha, I can assure they there weren't). Just the fact that we even have puberty blockers means that they have been given to kids for reasons other than being trans. Are you suggesting that we should ban them for all children regardless of reason, because they're so dangerous? Have you even thought this through, other than as it relates to trans kids?

Since you do ( I am accused of comparing pronoun usage with rape) can you explain why it is a good medial idea to alter a healthy body in an attempt to treat a medical disorder? Can we think of any other mental disorder we do this for on children that are 14 and 15 years old?

That fact that you think that trans kids have a mental disorder but are then stating they have "healthy bodies" doesn't even track. It can't be both. The brain it part of the body.

Just in case you need an actual clinical definition from an expert source:

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What is Gender Dysphoria?​

The term “transgender” refers to a person whose sex assigned at birth (i.e. the sex assigned at birth, usually based on external genitalia) does not align their gender identity (i.e., one’s psychological sense of their gender). Some people who are transgender will experience “gender dysphoria,” which refers to psychological distress that results from an incongruence between one’s sex assigned at birth and one’s gender identity. Though gender dysphoria often begins in childhood, some people may not experience it until after puberty or much later.

People who are transgender may pursue multiple domains of gender affirmation, including social affirmation (e.g., changing one’s name and pronouns), legal affirmation (e.g., changing gender markers on one’s government-issued documents), medical affirmation (e.g., pubertal suppression or gender-affirming hormones), and/or surgical affirmation (e.g., vaginoplasty, facial feminization surgery, breast augmentation, masculine chest reconstruction, etc.). Of note, not all people who are transgender will desire all domains of gender affirmation, as these are highly personal and individual decisions.

It is important to note that gender identity is different from gender expression. Whereas gender identity refers to one’s psychological sense of their gender, gender expression refers to the way in which one presents to the world in a gendered way. For example, in much of the U.S., wearing a dress is considered a “feminine” gender expression, and wearing a tuxedo is considered a “masculine” gender expression. Such expectations are culturally defined and vary across time and culture. One’s gender expression does not necessarily align with their gender identity. Diverse gender expressions, much like diverse gender identities, are not indications of a mental disorder.

Gender identity is also different from sexual orientation. Sexual orientation refers to the types of people towards which one is sexually attracted. As with people who are cisgender (people whose sex assigned at birth aligns with their gender identity), people who are transgender have a diverse range of sexual orientations.
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https://psychiatry.org/patients-families/gender-dysphoria/what-is-gender-dysphoria

 

[Farb]

Why do you think we even have puberty blockers in the first place? Do you think they were developed and given to adults before they were given to trans kids? Do you think they were developed only for trans kids (hahahaha, I can assure they there weren't). Just the fact that we even have puberty blockers means that they have been given to kids for reasons other than being trans. Are you suggesting that we should ban them for all children regardless of reason, because they're so dangerous? Have you even thought this through, other than as it relates to trans kids?



That fact that you think that trans kids have a mental disorder but are then stating they have "healthy bodies" doesn't even track. It can't be both. The brain it part of the body.

Just in case you need an actual clinical definition from an expert source:

================

What is Gender Dysphoria?​

The term “transgender” refers to a person whose sex assigned at birth (i.e. the sex assigned at birth, usually based on external genitalia) does not align their gender identity (i.e., one’s psychological sense of their gender). Some people who are transgender will experience “gender dysphoria,” which refers to psychological distress that results from an incongruence between one’s sex assigned at birth and one’s gender identity. Though gender dysphoria often begins in childhood, some people may not experience it until after puberty or much later.

People who are transgender may pursue multiple domains of gender affirmation, including social affirmation (e.g., changing one’s name and pronouns), legal affirmation (e.g., changing gender markers on one’s government-issued documents), medical affirmation (e.g., pubertal suppression or gender-affirming hormones), and/or surgical affirmation (e.g., vaginoplasty, facial feminization surgery, breast augmentation, masculine chest reconstruction, etc.). Of note, not all people who are transgender will desire all domains of gender affirmation, as these are highly personal and individual decisions.

It is important to note that gender identity is different from gender expression. Whereas gender identity refers to one’s psychological sense of their gender, gender expression refers to the way in which one presents to the world in a gendered way. For example, in much of the U.S., wearing a dress is considered a “feminine” gender expression, and wearing a tuxedo is considered a “masculine” gender expression. Such expectations are culturally defined and vary across time and culture. One’s gender expression does not necessarily align with their gender identity. Diverse gender expressions, much like diverse gender identities, are not indications of a mental disorder.

Gender identity is also different from sexual orientation. Sexual orientation refers to the types of people towards which one is sexually attracted. As with people who are cisgender (people whose sex assigned at birth aligns with their gender identity), people who are transgender have a diverse range of sexual orientations.
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https://psychiatry.org/patients-families/gender-dysphoria/what-is-gender-dysphoria

You guys love putting words in my mouth. Always the sign of a strong argument. The drugs, as design work for medical conditions, not mental conditions. Pretty simple, but as usual, you guys latch on to the outliers in order to cram down your ideology.

Are you saying gender dysphoria (F64.2- child onset gender dysphoria) is not really a mental issue but more of an expression? Then why medical treatment and not just psychiatric?

First this was not even happening. It was all an evil right wing conspiracy (much like CRT/Gender Theory) but now that is is proven to be happening, you all change to explaining why it is such a good idea that it is happening? Who told you it was not happening and why would you not question why you were lied to?

Are these folks right wing extremists too?

https://www.gaysagainstgroomers.com/about

Of course they are, they are going against your party line.

 

[MT15]

Why do you think we even have puberty blockers in the first place? Do you think they were developed and given to adults before they were given to trans kids? Do you think they were developed only for trans kids (hahahaha, I can assure they there weren't). Just the fact that we even have puberty blockers means that they have been given to kids for reasons other than being trans. Are you suggesting that we should ban them for all children regardless of reason, because they're so dangerous? Have you even thought this through, other than as it relates to trans kids?



That fact that you think that trans kids have a mental disorder but are then stating they have "healthy bodies" doesn't even track. It can't be both. The brain it part of the body.

Just in case you need an actual clinical definition from an expert source:

================

What is Gender Dysphoria?​

The term “transgender” refers to a person whose sex assigned at birth (i.e. the sex assigned at birth, usually based on external genitalia) does not align their gender identity (i.e., one’s psychological sense of their gender). Some people who are transgender will experience “gender dysphoria,” which refers to psychological distress that results from an incongruence between one’s sex assigned at birth and one’s gender identity. Though gender dysphoria often begins in childhood, some people may not experience it until after puberty or much later.

People who are transgender may pursue multiple domains of gender affirmation, including social affirmation (e.g., changing one’s name and pronouns), legal affirmation (e.g., changing gender markers on one’s government-issued documents), medical affirmation (e.g., pubertal suppression or gender-affirming hormones), and/or surgical affirmation (e.g., vaginoplasty, facial feminization surgery, breast augmentation, masculine chest reconstruction, etc.). Of note, not all people who are transgender will desire all domains of gender affirmation, as these are highly personal and individual decisions.

It is important to note that gender identity is different from gender expression. Whereas gender identity refers to one’s psychological sense of their gender, gender expression refers to the way in which one presents to the world in a gendered way. For example, in much of the U.S., wearing a dress is considered a “feminine” gender expression, and wearing a tuxedo is considered a “masculine” gender expression. Such expectations are culturally defined and vary across time and culture. One’s gender expression does not necessarily align with their gender identity. Diverse gender expressions, much like diverse gender identities, are not indications of a mental disorder.

Gender identity is also different from sexual orientation. Sexual orientation refers to the types of people towards which one is sexually attracted. As with people who are cisgender (people whose sex assigned at birth aligns with their gender identity), people who are transgender have a diverse range of sexual orientations.
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https://psychiatry.org/patients-families/gender-dysphoria/what-is-gender-dysphoria

Farb has been told multiple times that these drugs are nothing new and have been used for decades. He won’t acknowledge this fact because it hurts his narrative. Just like he won’t acknowledge that the stats he found for breast reduction surgery and vaginal surgeries in minors have other reasons for being used than having to do with trans kids. He’s being led into a conspiracy theory and can’t even tell that either, IMO.

 

[SystemShock]

Good theory but proven false. These progressive ideas that you all think you just created have already been tried several times world wide with the only real similarities is how they failed and the death toll that was left behind.

I am going to take a wild guess and assume you are referring to the Soviet Union, Nazi Germany, and China, and that you attribute all those deaths to a lack of god/religion. But that's not really the case.

Nazi Germany had god/religion.
The Soviet Union and China, they may not had a god like Islam, Christianity, Hinduism, etc., but in those cases, the State became the religion.

 

[coldseat]

You guys love putting words in my mouth. Always the sign of a strong argument. The drugs, as design work for medical conditions, not mental conditions. Pretty simple, but as usual, you guys latch on to the outliers in order to cram down your ideology.

What words did I put in your mouth? I asked you questions that you are unable to answer, so you decide to misdirect instead. The drug works the exact same way for kids with medical conditions and for kids for gender dysphoria

Are you saying gender dysphoria (F64.2- child onset gender dysphoria) is not really a mental issue but more of an expression?

I am not saying that and neither is the American Psychiatric Association is. Gender dysphoria is a psychological/physiological condition, not a disorder.

Then why medical treatment and not just psychiatric?

Because the age appropriate medical treatment goes hand in hand with the age appropriate psychiatric treatment.

First this was not even happening. It was all an evil right wing conspiracy (much like CRT/Gender Theory) but now that is is proven to be happening, you all change to explaining why it is such a good idea that it is happening? Who told you it was not happening and why would you not question why you were lied to?

Uh hu.

Are these folks right wing extremists too?

https://www.gaysagainstgroomers.com/about

Of course they are, they are going against your party line.

Yes, they are indeed.

 

[Saintamaniac]

Since you do ( I am accused of comparing pronoun usage with rape) can you explain why it is a good medial idea to alter a healthy body in an attempt to treat a medical disorder? Can we think of any other mental disorder we do this for on children that are 14 and 15 years old?

If you are responding directly to me, make sure that you know EXACTLY what you are talking about. Who accused you of "comparing pronoun usage" with rape? That's a question you should have no problem answering...then again, you are a know liar. In this instance, I am directly accusing you of being a liar based on previous encounters with you and your posting history. I asked you a question in my previous post. I didn't accuse you of anything. Asking you if you are a liar and accusing you of being a liar to two entirely different things. You never answered that question I asked you so it remains open.

Do you support giving puberty blockers to children? It really is starting to sound like you are. Why defend it?

Here is an example of you accusing me of something I've never said. You asked a question and without getting a response from me, you immediately accuse me of defending something I never said. That's called "lying" and it's yet another reason as to why I refer to you as known liar.

 

[Farb]

I am going to take a wild guess and assume you are referring to the Soviet Union, Nazi Germany, and China, and that you attribute all those deaths to a lack of god/religion. But that's not really the case.

Nazi Germany had god/religion.
The Soviet Union and China, they may not had a god like Islam, Christianity, Hinduism, etc., but in those cases, the State became the religion.

I was indeed!
But I was going to throw in some revolutions that didn't quite get there but still had a staggering death toll.
So why would that be a better solution (the state being the religion/god)?
Why not have both, like the US? Because there can be only 'one true faith' right?
So we both just want to worship 'gods'. Story as old as man and spear.

 

[Farb]

What words did I put in your mouth? I asked you questions that you are unable to answer, so you decide to misdirect instead. The drug works the exact same way for kids with medical conditions and for kids for gender dysphoria



I am not saying that and neither is the American Psychiatric Association is. Gender dysphoria is a psychological/physiological condition, not a disorder.



Because the age appropriate medical treatment goes hand in hand with the age appropriate psychiatric treatment.



Uh hu.



Yes, they are indeed.

Yes, one way to treat a medical problem, one is treat a mental problem. Don't see that as 'the same'.

The clinical (and billable) definition is dysphoria and disorder. So....

Did you tell me this was not happening? No child is having their breast removed? But now you agree it is, but defend it.
Can you tell me another dysphoria or disorder that pertains the how one reacts to their own body by altering a perfectly healthy body part?

of course they are only because they agree with the radical gender theory that leading to mass contagion. But as long as you give it to those maga fascists (which is very fascist)

 

[Farb]

If you are responding directly to me, make sure that you know EXACTLY what you are talking about. Who accused you of "comparing pronoun usage" with rape? That's a question you should have no problem answering...then again, you are a know liar. In this instance, I am directly accusing you of being a liar based on previous encounters with you and your posting history. I asked you a question in my previous post. I didn't accuse you of anything. Asking you if you are a liar and accusing you of being a liar to two entirely different things. You never answered that question I asked you so it remains open.


Here is an example of you accusing me of something I've never said. You asked a question and without getting a response from me, you immediately accuse me of defending something I never said. That's called "lying" and it's yet another reason as to why I refer to you as known liar.

Very defensive to go along with horrible reading comprehenion.
Yes, you have called me a liar many times. Some how, my life is quite normal regardless of that fact. I know you think I care, since you acted like you calling me a liar would have any bearing on me at all. It would be like a crazy person in a dumpster covered in feces telling me I should take more pride in my appearance. Unimportant because of the source.

Ok, maybe I assumed that you supported that and maybe, and probably I got you confused with someone else, so now is the chance to set the story straight.

Do you support giving children (ages 14 to 16) puberty blockers for the treatment of gender dysphoria?

 

[Farb]

Farb has been told multiple times that these drugs are nothing new and have been used for decades. He won’t acknowledge this fact because it hurts his narrative. Just like he won’t acknowledge that the stats he found for breast reduction surgery and vaginal surgeries in minors have other reasons for being used than having to do with trans kids. He’s being led into a conspiracy theory and can’t even tell that either, IMO.

Yawn. I have also been told many times that the earth is flat. Still make it an incorrect statement.

Are these prescribed off label for the treatment of gender dysphoria in children?

 

[coldseat]

Yes, one way to treat a medical problem, one is treat a mental problem. Don't see that as 'the same'.

The clinical (and billable) definition is dysphoria and disorder. So....

Did you tell me this was not happening? No child is having their breast removed? But now you agree it is, but defend it.
Can you tell me another dysphoria or disorder that pertains the how one reacts to their own body by altering a perfectly healthy body part?

of course they are only because they agree with the radical gender theory that leading to mass contagion. But as long as you give it to those maga fascists (which is very fascist)

I think that the person who is trans, along with their parents (if they're minors), in consultation with medical professionals following medically established practices for treatment of gender dysphoria should be making the decisions as to what if the appropriate course of treatment for somebody with gender dysphoria. If that includes breast reduction surgery for a trans teenager who is 16 or 17, then so be it. If that means puberty blocker for somebody that is 13, then so be it. It is not my decision to make and it doesn't matter if I support it or don't.

I definitely don't think YOU or a church or Christians or Republican's or the government should make those decisions in situation where you/they are completely inept to make an informed choice for that individual. Furthermore, I trust much more in the voice of trans people, LGBTQ+ organization, and medical professionals that care of trans people to inform my own opinions on what is the best course of treatment for gender dysphoria, because I know that all of these groups/people have the actual best interest of trans people in mind when advocating for them. As opposed to the right wing outrage machine that you are beholden to that only seeks to formant fear in our society regarding trans people for political purpose and actively seeks to do harm to trans people by marginalizing them, portraying them as mentally defectives and gross and by forcing them to be something they're not just so you can feel good. You and most who agree with you can't even muster enough decency to acknowledge their basic human dignity and right to self determination but you definitely know what is best for them? Um... NO!

 

[MT15]

Yawn. I have also been told many times that the earth is flat. Still make it an incorrect statement.

Are these prescribed off label for the treatment of gender dysphoria in children?

No, it is the standard of care for these cases that qualify. That’s easy to find out.

 

[Saintamaniac]

Very defensive to go along with horrible reading comprehenion.
Yes, you have called me a liar many times. Some how, my life is quite normal regardless of that fact. I know you think I care, since you acted like you calling me a liar would have any bearing on me at all. It would be like a crazy person in a dumpster covered in feces telling me I should take more pride in my appearance. Unimportant because of the source.

That's a lot of words to say "I don't care." But I know you do. I don't like calling you a liar but it's something that must be done because you simply refuse to be truthful.

Do you support giving children (ages 14 to 16) puberty blockers for the treatment of gender dysphoria?

I support parents, with the consultation of medical professionals, doing what is best for the well being of their children. I also support adults minding their own f'ing business about things that don't concern or impact them to include a woman's right to control her own body.

 

[Farb]

I think that the person who is trans, along with their parents (if they're minors), in consultation with medical professionals following medically established practices for treatment of gender dysphoria should be making the decisions as to what if the appropriate course of treatment for somebody with gender dysphoria. If that includes breast reduction surgery for a trans teenager who is 16 or 17, then so be it. If that means puberty blocker for somebody that is 13, then so be it. It is not my decision to make and it doesn't matter if I support it or don't.

I definitely don't think YOU or a church or Christians or Republican's or the government should make those decisions in situation where you/they are completely inept to make an informed choice for that individual. Furthermore, I trust much more in the voice of trans people, LGBTQ+ organization, and medical professionals that care of trans people to inform my own opinions on what is the best course of treatment for gender dysphoria, because I know that all of these groups/people have the actual best interest of trans people in mind when advocating for them. As opposed to the right wing outrage machine that you are beholden to that only seeks to formant fear in our society regarding trans people for political purpose and actively seeks to do harm to trans people by marginalizing them, portraying them as mentally defectives and gross and by forcing them to be something they're not just so you can feel good. You and most who agree with you can't even muster enough decency to acknowledge their basic human dignity and right to self determination but you definitely know what is best for them? Um... NO!

As have stated over and over, I don't care about trans people. Do you.
I do care and will stand up when corporations place profit over the well being of children. It does not help children (actually harms them more in the long run) but it does make a lot of money for the clinics, doctors, councilors and pharma.
I remember when the left was against that type of thing, funny how the roles have changed. Oh well....

Stop giving irreversible hormone suppressors to children and stop preforming life long altering surgeries of the sake of mental health. Then no one will care.

 

[Farb]

No, it is the standard of care for these cases that qualify. That’s easy to find out.

Who created the standard of care?

 

[Farb]

That's a lot of words to say "I don't care." But I know you do. I don't like calling you a liar but it's something that must be done because you simply refuse to be truthful.


I support parents, with the consultation of medical professionals, doing what is best for the well being of their children. I also support adults minding their own f'ing business about things that don't concern or impact them to include a woman's right to control her own body.

You don't like to call me a liar? Yeah, I don't believe you.

So, you just believe what you are told. That is cool. At least you admit it.

How does transing kids shoehorn into a woman's right to control her own body?