If Trump loses, what does Biden do differently re: coronavirus? (1 Viewer)

[brandon]

Let’s say Trump loses in November, and we’re deep in it. Nearing upon 200,000 or more deaths. New cases still on the rise. No vaccine. Second wave clearly on the way.

Will Biden try to return to lockdown? What will that look like against the Republican governors who have said there would be no return to lockdown? I mean, if it’s blatantly obvious we need it, but the states won’t do it...what does Biden do?

 

[DaveXA]

Why are you approaching me like this dude? I understand that CDC is a federal agency. I understand that CDC released guidelines. Yes, I know that when I said there were 0 federal guidelines, I probably should have been more specific to what I meant exactly. That's on me. I didn't think when addressing my comments to you that I would have to be that specific.

The CDC has been undercut by everything that Trump has been saying and doing. The federal government is letting meat packing and processing plants do pretty much whatever the hell they want to with respect to regulation guidelines for COVID 19. It's one of the reasons that those plants have seen the outbreaks that they have. IMO, the reason that the CDC hasn't been more out front is because of trump. I mentioned the DOJ as a comparison and example because it too is a federal agency that is being negatively impacted due to leadership by a trump appointee and flunky.


I responded to this portion of your post because IMO, it described exactly the role that a competently led and run federal government would be taking the lead on including the CDC, FDA and other federal agencies to take every possible safeguard to protect the public.

You stated that "until the states all put their heads together and agree on a plan of action, we're doing to get this disjointed strategy of trying to fight a disease". I contend that the need for states to do that would have been abated by a competent federal government doing exactly that INSTEAD of the states having multiple disjointed plans BECAUSE the disease doesn't care about borders.

I'll make sure to not make that mistake in the future when responding to you.

I don't disagree with much of this. The 0 guidelines comment is what I was getting at because the CDC did put those out, and we both agree the states haven't abided them. What would have been better said was what you stated here that Trump basically has undercut that guidance.

Anyway, we're not that far apart. Just took issue with the 0 comment.

 

[DaveXA]

I think what he's getting at is that Biden will put people in charge of these agencies who aren't sycophants who are allowing Trump to steam roll them by dong things like shutting down testing in states where this thing is really getting out of control. Trump doesn't listen to his own CDC's guidelines so why should his base? Biden does and could do a lot more on the federal level that Trump doesn't want to do because it'll hurt him politically because it'll expose how bad he screwed the pooch from the beginning by having to backtrack on everything he keeps repeating.

I just disagree with the CDC officials being called sycophants. Are some of his appointments? Most likely. But I doubt many have gone down the line to figure who is and who isn't. The CDC is in the unenviable position of having to issue guidance and worry that what their comments are don't directly contradict the President. Many have been doing this their entire career and are experts in their field. They're good at what they do. I can’t imagine the frustration they have of their recommendations being completely tossed aside. That's not their fault.

 

[insidejob]

The CDC is in the unenviable position of having to issue guidance and worry that what their comments are don't directly contradict the President.

This right here is something they wouldn't have to worry about with a functioning adult like Biden at the helm. The CDC shouldn't be politicized at all but that's all Trump has done to them since this virus broke out. That's all I'm saying. And when I say sycophants running things, I'm sure they have career doctors doing good work there who've been there since Reagan, but you know good and well Trump has put people in positions there to undermine anything they do that will make Trump look bad. It's the reason he only has "acting" heads for most of his cabinet or vacant positions altogether. If he can't get his Yes Men into these positions, he'll just abandon them. He's actually suggested shutting down the EPA for Chrissakes. The man is a sociopath, full stop. And there isn't any federal agency that hasn't been infected by him and his appointees.

ETA: Fauci is the head of the NIAID and is one of the most respected doctors in the world but Trump even undercuts everything he says and does to rile up his base into believing conspiracy theories and acting like morons. Trump's approval ratings are so pathetic that he's started touting Fauci's approval rating, which is over 70%. Kind of fits with his 35% approval rating.

 

[MT15]

As an example of the futility of any Federal agency trying to bring a unified message to the American people on what to do or what not to do about the virus:



When the president goes out and lies about the facts of the virus here in the US, lies about the value of testing, etc. how can the states carry out any sort of strategy? Crazy people like those women in Florida will come to their local council meetings and spout off conspiracy theories because evidently there’s no objective truth anymore. Trump sets a standard of just saying what he wants to be true, facts be damned.