Harris for President in 2028 (3 Viewers)

[SamAndreas]

I'm all in for Harris in 2028.

 

[J-DONK]

A few days ago you told me that progressives are the base of the party, we argued some little bit about that. I think progressives make up about 15% of the party.

I don't see a reason to go back to arguing more about that. If we wait to see what happens next, we will both see.

I think we are going to see that the party does change over time. And I think it has changed since the last time around.

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Pete, Newsom, Shapiro, and AOC are all good communicators, so is Harris.

Harris, Pete, Newsom, and Shapiro have all the necessary boxes checked insofar as past job experience.

AOC is lacking administrative experience. But she sure does have star potential, if she were to run for a major state level administrative post, win, and then showed us four years of success in that, I would then support her for a later run for President.

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I grew up in a town named Cortez, (AOC's last name), which oddly enough is located in a county named Montezuma, both names contain the letter z, but they are names which do not go well together. Like how well Spanish oil mixes with new world water.

I guess the point becomes what defines a progressive. How does a 15% minority hold majority polling opinions within the party, and the voting population at large?

M4A - It polls at over 60% percent nationally with ALL voters, and over 55 in swing states. Within the DNP, it polls range between 75-90%.

FYI - that's a policy Kamala Harris did not support.

Wealth/Billionaire tax - This is another 75-80% of the general public support this.

Harris did support this.

Support for Israel - 60% of Americans don't like Israel. That number jumps to 80% within the DNP.

Harris remained a supporter of Israel,, and according to leaked docs, it cost her votes.

The only people I'm aware that support all of these positions are labeled progressives. These are the populist opinions in the country. These topics will all be hotly debated in the primaries.

 

[LA 2 L.A.]

It's interesting you don't think what I propose is possible or even worthy of pursuing. Especially when it's already occured once in this countries history with FDR.

I'd be overjoyed if the next president is a Democrat and she was a black, muslim, lesbian, woman who was born in Georgia and grew up in Puerto Rico with a single father, went to community college and worked in a blue collar industry where she joined a union and worked up to a leadership position before going to law school to fight for the legal rights of workers. She just needs to be about the things I said in my post above. Or the next candidate can be a white male who grew up in the suburbs in a good christian family and went to college, is straight and married with children. As long as he's about the things I said in my post above, I don't care.

Talarico is pretty much the anti-Maga as a young, white, male Christian who actually cares about people in the way the Gospels say Christ taught people to care about people.

Obama won a Senate seat in 2004 and then the presidency in 2008. If Talarico wins the Texas Senate race, I think there's a good chance he's the Democratic candidate in 2028. If Talarico's the candidate and doesn't turn out to be a lying aresehole, which I don't think he is, then I'd vote for him in 2028.

 

[SamAndreas]

Sadly, my feeling is if we want a D in the WH next election, it's going to have to be Mark Kelly or Andy Beshear for them to have a good chance.....not sadly because they are not capable, I really like them both.....

I really like Wes Moore as well.....

Who wouldn't like Wes Moore? I can answer that, everyone who didn't like Obama. Moore is capable with a giant letter C.

Harris's step mom was Moore's babysitter. I would like him.

Beshear would be good.

I have some reservations about Kelly, which I wouldn't want to dive into. That hot water would be too darned hot. He might well become President someday.

 

[SamAndreas]

I guess the point becomes what defines a progressive. How does a 15% minority hold majority polling opinions within the party, and the voting population at large?

M4A - It polls at over 60% percent nationally with ALL voters, and over 55 in swing states. Within the DNP, it polls range between 75-90%.

FYI - that's a policy Kamala Harris did not support.

Wealth/Billionaire tax - This is another 75-80% of the general public support this.

Harris did support this.

Support for Israel - 60% of Americans don't like Israel. That number jumps to 80% within the DNP.

Harris remained a supporter of Israel,, and according to leaked docs, it cost her votes.

The only people I'm aware that support all of these positions are labeled progressives. These are the populist opinions in the country. These topics will all be hotly debated in the primaries.

This is what venn diagrams are for, but we can't draw venn diagrams with our editing tools we have here. The best answer short of having the ability to graphically show it in a venn, would for me to make this simple personnel statement.

"As a Democrat I support many positions you and others have labeled as progressive, the difference being I think of them as being Democratic party positions which I agree with."

Example 1; Wealth/Billionaire tax, in essence I support some pretty large portion of that, but my god man, why would anyone pick out a name for it which draws the most concentrated fire from the right wing, and upsets even many among our own.

Example 2; Support for Israel, I don't support current Zionist policy, but my god man, they are of my people, and I'm here to tell you I do differentiate between 'those people' and their politicians warped policies. And how is that any different from what we have going on here in the USA under Trump?

Both Wealth/Billionaire tax, and Support for Israel are just two examples of framing something with the worst label possible insofar as then picking up the pieces, and trying to do doing something about it.


Semantics matter!

 

[faceman]

Talarico is pretty much the anti-Maga as a young, white, male Christian who actually cares about people in the way the Gospels say Christ taught people to care about people.

Obama won a Senate seat in 2004 and then the presidency in 2008. If Talarico wins the Texas Senate race, I think there's a good chance he's the Democratic candidate in 2028. If Talarico's the candidate and doesn't turn out to be a lying aresehole, which I don't think he is, then I'd vote for him in 2028.

I believe Talarico has a good chance to win the Senate race. Paxton and Croyn have baggage. Due to the
actions of ICE, Republicans have lost most of their Hispanic support. I posted a Time article about Talarico
a few weeks ago. The writer of the story interviewed a DC based GOP member who was watching the primary
between Crockett and Talarico. He said " She can't win. He can " .

 

[Optimus Prime]

Sadly, my feeling is if we want a D in the WH next election, it's going to have to be Mark Kelly or Andy Beshear for them to have a good chance.....not sadly because they are not capable, I really like them both.....

I really like Wes Moore as well.....

I think Moore has already said he’s not running in 28

 

[SamAndreas]

 

[longtime lurker]

I appreciate her stepping up and putting on a respectable campaign on such short notice last time….but she had her chance, IMHO.

I’m watching for a candidate who gets the destruction that MAGA has caused to the federal gov, is not afraid to be clear about it, and has a concrete plan to repair the damage during their first term.

 

[Taurus]

This is what venn diagrams are for, but we can't draw venn diagrams with our editing tools we have here. The best answer short of having the ability to graphically show it in a venn, would for me to make this simple personnel statement.

"As a Democrat I support many positions you and others have labeled as progressive, the difference being I think of them as being Democratic party positions which I agree with."

Example 1; Wealth/Billionaire tax, in essence I support some pretty large portion of that, but my god man, why would anyone pick out a name for it which draws the most concentrated fire from the right wing, and upsets even many among our own.

Example 2; Support for Israel, I don't support current Zionist policy, but my god man, they are of my people, and I'm here to tell you I do differentiate between 'those people' and their politicians warped policies. And how is that any different from what we have going on here in the USA under Trump?

Both Wealth/Billionaire tax, and Support for Israel are just two examples of framing something with the worst label possible insofar as then picking up the pieces, and trying to do doing something about it.


Semantics matter!

Can't sell fire to Eskimos

 

[faceman]

I appreciate her stepping up and putting on a respectable campaign on such short notice last time….but she had her chance, IMHO.

I’m watching for a candidate who gets the destruction that MAGA has caused to the federal gov, is not afraid to be clear about it, and has a concrete plan to repair the damage during their first term.

The first thing imo would be to reestablish our ties with our NATO allies.

 

[SamAndreas]

I appreciate her stepping up and putting on a respectable campaign on such short notice last time….but she had her chance, IMHO.

I’m watching for a candidate who gets the destruction that MAGA has caused to the federal gov, is not afraid to be clear about it, and has a concrete plan to repair the damage during their first term.

Well, I expect you will see more of that kind of discussion in this thread than in the some time in the future threads dedicated to the other candidates, when there are those other candidates.

She knows better than most what existed before because she was there in the federal gov just before Trump brought in the wrecking ball.

I have a good idea what she's about to do, she's going to focus on our midterm elections first, and through that build her campaign for the two years which comes later. She'll campaign for the congress critters because that is the first and foremost priority for a leader right now.

I sent her some seed money to help her with the planting of those ideas. It's high time to get those seeds in the ground.

 

[SFIDC3]

I think Moore has already said he’s not running in 28

I'm hoping the '32 political landscape has shifted enough for his candidacy to make sense, we will see....

Not voting doesn’t mean you can’t be critical of any of the candidates. You don’t lose the right to speak.

No, it doesn't. But would like to see how not voting helps.....anything.....it so easy to say one vote doesn't matter.....it's also easy to find data that way too many folks have this POV and very likely why we have the situation we are in now.....

As Face so eloquently stated......see Hungary on why voting matters.....all the rest is useless noise/BS.....

 

[TampaJoe]

I'm hoping the '32 political landscape has shifted enough for his candidacy to make sense, we will see....


No, it doesn't. But would like to see how not voting helps.....anything.....it so easy to say one vote doesn't matter.....it's also easy to find data that way too many folks have this POV and very likely why we have the situation we are in now.....

As Face so eloquently stated......see Hungary on why voting matters.....all the rest is useless noise/BS.....

If you want voting to matter, then we should be running the very best candidates we can field and we should be proposing policy that not only aligns generally with our political ideology but more importantly will move the entire nation, R’s, D’s and I’s, forward. That isn’t happening. The parties are pretty much catering to their base. To hell with everybody else. Hence we are indeed a house divided.

 

[Taurus]

If you want voting to matter, then we should be running the very best candidates we can field and we should be proposing policy that not only aligns generally with our political ideology but more importantly will move the entire nation, R’s, D’s and I’s, forward. That isn’t happening. The parties are pretty much catering to their base. To hell with everybody else. Hence we are indeed a house divided.

Our election methodology guarantees this. It's been coming for over 200 years. Winner-take-all, first-past-the-post is a terrible way to pick a government and we're reaping precisely the inevitable effects.

When you say "best candidates" what exactly do you mean? Do you mean competence at the nuts and bolts of the job, electability, leadership, all of the above? Is "best candidate" the one most likely to win or the one most likely to do the job well once elected?

Because the Republicans have put forward five competent candidates in my lifetime and the Dems ten. In two of those races, the least...and I mean comically, tragically, least competent candidate won. In only a handful of races were two equally competent contenders involved.

The GOP has only run a couple of candidates who lacked charisma, if electability is your criteria. Neither Dole nor Romney ever made anyone stay up to hear them speak. On the flipside, the Dems have run quite a few entities with all the personal magnetism of sawdust. All but Biden lost. Much as I like him, Joe's no Obama.

 

[B4YOU]

Just like this country won't elect a woman of color, they're not voting for a gay man as president either. We're not there yet.

Agree. Pete is an amazing messenger. Ideal VP. We are not there yet.

 

[B4YOU]

Well, I expect you will see more of that kind of discussion in this thread than in the some time in the future threads dedicated to the other candidates, when there are those other candidates.

She knows better than most what existed before because she was there in the federal gov just before Trump brought in the wrecking ball.

I have a good idea what she's about to do, she's going to focus on our midterm elections first, and through that build her campaign for the two years which comes later. She'll campaign for the congress critters because that is the first and foremost priority for a leader right now.

I sent her some seed money to help her with the planting of those ideas. It's high time to get those seeds in the ground.

Women are 0-2 in the last 3 elections. Sorry but it's time for a 12-year moratorium on women candidates. Men have moved toward the GOP and a woman is not going to pull them back.

 

[SFIDC3]

If you want voting to matter, then we should be running the very best candidates we can field and we should be proposing policy that not only aligns generally with our political ideology but more importantly will move the entire nation, R’s, D’s and I’s, forward. That isn’t happening. The parties are pretty much catering to their base. To hell with everybody else. Hence we are indeed a house divided.

Everyone should want voting to matter, it's why we are in the mess we are in right now.....and you trying to "both sides" everything is really rich.....would love to see your reaction to the Dems actually trying to steal an election.....

One side of the aisle is far from perfect, the other side has gone white christian fascist at any cost, if you can't see that, you are willfully blind....

 

[MT15]

Voting absolutely matters. Saying it doesn’t matter is, well, a lot of things. Smart isn’t one of them.