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There's a lot of talk about the left wing Democrats. Listen to the media and so called progressives and socialists appear to be taking over the party. Alexandria Ocasio Cortez, Bernie Sanders, Ilhan Omar, and Rashida Tlaib are viewed as powerful politicians pushing Democrats too far left with proposals like Single Payer Healthcare and the Green New Deal to fight climate change. The pundits on CNN and in print media like The Washington Post warn of rising socialism and left wing progressivism that alienates most voters especially working class whites Democrats need to win Congress and state houses. Moreover the mainstream media wrongly ties Democrats to controversial activists movements like Black Lives Matter and college students activists. The former calls for defunding local police viewed as racists, while the students fuel a repressive cancel culture. Everyone calls for a move to the center. Even Elizabeth Warren a liberal by any standard is too far left. Never mind the Democrats don't officially endorse such things. Not to mention the issues raised by activists are legitimate and complex.

It doesn't matter that false charges of left wing extremism among Democrats come from conservatives in the GOP. The media that adopts that narrative, and centrist Democrats use it to their political advantage too. Since the 1980s it has contributed to the rise of a centrist establishment that really controls the Democratic Party. It's not that left leaning Democrats are very powerful. They're just vocal and they stand up for their convictions. They draw a powerful contrast with the right wing GOP and centrist Democrats. Vilifying them and exaggerating their influence prevents Democrats from discussing or advancing a liberal agenda. Centrist Democrats and Conservative Republicans are alike in opposing strongly regulated markets, funding, and expanding safety nets especially health care. They don't want to redistribute wealth and income despite a grossly unequal economy that undermines working people either. If there were a strong liberalism within the party leftist concerns and demands could be translated into needed reforms. In many ways that's what the New Deal did. It's far reaching policy reforms eased the effects of the depression. The New Deal also tamed capitalism and created a welfare state that made life more livable for all. All of this preempts left wing excess. However centrists tend to be skeptical of liberal efforts. Like conservatives they're totally against the left.

What are the results of this politics ? You get a regressive and reactionary Republican Party that doesn't benefit anybody including millions of working class people who vote for them. These people fall for the scare tactics about socialism or prioritize social issues. Yet nothing is done about their material wellbeing. At the same time Democratic Centrism is only a little better. Too often the center is Republican lite. The left isn't relevant despite their pro working class rhetoric, and liberals are not really in the game. We don't even own up to our name or tradition. Most of us wrongly claim to be progressive. Many others liberals are centrists.
 

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This tweet thread does not dovetail into this topic, but I think it provides an additional pillar to a broader conversation
Nate Silver, et al should probably be held to account (I’m not 100% bagging on 538, but it’s limitations have been obvious the last 6 months if not 4 years)

I don't quite understand what the tweet was getting at. Did she work for Nate Silver and did he muzzle her or something? I thought the problem with Silver was his inability to guage the number of voters who would pick Trump and why it was quite different from the lolling data? Is she suggesting racial resentment was driving that and was prevented from reporting it?

It seems to me that's something that's been talked about before?
 

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This tweet thread does not dovetail into this topic, but I think it provides an additional pillar to a broader conversation
Nate Silver, et al should probably be held to account (I’m not 100% bagging on 538, but it’s limitations have been obvious the last 6 months if not 4 years)

How and for what should 538 be held accountable?
 

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Silver's predictions are based on poll numbers -- he doesn't conduct polls himself. There are other factors that do go into his model but he can't be responsible for significant polling error.
 

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538 is much bigger than just Silver’s modeling and reading polls - there is now a lot of editorializing that goes before and after the polling that he is the de facto editor and chief of
So the tweeter is accusing Silver of being way too narrow in the scope and impact of the polls/opinions
(I will say that the podcast- and thus the ‘newsroom’ - added a PoC editor/analyst and hopefully it will continue to broaden)
But she is leveling the same claims that reporters of color have leveled against NPR or NYT or WaPo, et al, that they rely overmuch on their predominantly white editorial staff and thus their news has giant blind spots and is very counter productive
 

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538 is much bigger than just Silver’s modeling and reading polls - there is now a lot of editorializing that goes before and after the polling that he is the de facto editor and chief of
So the tweeter is accusing Silver of being way too narrow in the scope and impact of the polls/opinions
(I will say that the podcast- and thus the ‘newsroom’ - added a PoC editor/analyst and hopefully it will continue to broaden)
But she is leveling the same claims that reporters of color have leveled against NPR or NYT or WaPo, et al, that they rely overmuch on their predominantly white editorial staff and thus their news has giant blind spots and is very counter productive
Seems like a reasonable take to me. I tend to think it's more giant blind spots than intentional racism though. I mean, I would think that they are, or at least should be recruiting PoC for staffing. I don't know what the recruiting pool is like though. Are there plenty of them in the pipeline to fill those positions?
 

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Seems like a reasonable take to me. I tend to think it's more giant blind spots than intentional racism though. I mean, I would think that they are, or at least should be recruiting PoC for staffing. I don't know what the recruiting pool is like though. Are there plenty of them in the pipeline to fill those positions?
I don't think she was accusing Silver of being intentionally racist as much as saying he's so married to his numbers and models that he ignores factors that don't necessarily show up in the data.
 

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I don't think she was accusing Silver of being intentionally racist as much as saying he's so married to his numbers and models that he ignores factors that don't necessarily show up in the data.
That's not my take. Ask yourself the question, what demographic does Nate Silver largely appeal to? Does that demographic really want to grapple with the subject of racism? Let's face it, white people with discretionary income aren't looking for discussions on race until stuff is burning.
 
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538 is much bigger than just Silver’s modeling and reading polls - there is now a lot of editorializing that goes before and after the polling that he is the de facto editor and chief of
So the tweeter is accusing Silver of being way too narrow in the scope and impact of the polls/opinions
(I will say that the podcast- and thus the ‘newsroom’ - added a PoC editor/analyst and hopefully it will continue to broaden)
But she is leveling the same claims that reporters of color have leveled against NPR or NYT or WaPo, et al, that they rely overmuch on their predominantly white editorial staff and thus their news has giant blind spots and is very counter productive
I don't read much at 538 but I do listen regularly to their Politics podcast and followed their election model closely. They lack knowledge in various areas including environmental issues, economic issues, race issues. Their expertise in is polls, data mining and political issues. I don't think it's reasonable to say that their reporting and analysis is counter productive because it has blinds spots. It is up to the listener/reader to cultivate multiple information sources to fill in knowledge gaps; if you rely on just one two, that's on you.

YMMV
 

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Seems like a reasonable take to me. I tend to think it's more giant blind spots than intentional racism though.
at some point those Venn diagram circles have a significant overlap - i don't think she's accusing him of malice or anything - but blindspots in regards to race are getting harder and harder to justify (especially in news/news adjacent orgs which should be checking biases on the regular)
 

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I don't think she was accusing Silver of being intentionally racist as much as saying he's so married to his numbers and models that he ignores factors that don't necessarily show up in the data.
the numbers themselves are just data points - how you find the numbers is much more grey
 

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Kinda my point. Nate Silver strikes me as the type who won't account for something unless the data states it explicitly.
Yes, but the problem with polling is people don't always vote the same way they answer polls, while others deliberately give wrong answers. The question becomes whether these factors can be reliably accounted for in polling.
 

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I don't know a good deal about the UK but does Race play as big a part in politics in the UK as it does in the US?
Hardly any, I would suggest.

I believe the more extreme left-wing members of the Labour Party ATTEMPT to do this in the more heavily immigrant sections of London, and areas of Yorkshire such as Bradford. However, that is more religion-based canvassing rather than race per-se.
 

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Hardly any, I would suggest.

I believe the more extreme left-wing members of the Labour Party ATTEMPT to do this in the more heavily immigrant sections of London, and areas of Yorkshire such as Bradford. However, that is more religion-based canvassing rather than race per-se.
You believe? Based on what?

The most egregious recent example of this I can think of was Zac Goldsmith's crude targeting based on racial and ethnic stereotypes in his failed attempt to win the 2016 London Mayoral election (https://www.mylondon.news/news/west-london-news/tory-councillor-accuses-zac-goldsmith-11090906). But Zac Goldsmith is, of course, a Conservative.
 

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Hardly any, I would suggest.

I believe the more extreme left-wing members of the Labour Party ATTEMPT to do this in the more heavily immigrant sections of London, and areas of Yorkshire such as Bradford. However, that is more religion-based canvassing rather than race per-se.
agree completely - what would an Empire based almost exclusively on colonialism have any connection to race?!?
 

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