Confirmation of Ketanji Brown Jackson (4 Viewers)

[MT15]

Hearings begin today. The smear has already started:

 

[Taurus]

I don't buy into this. Obviously the GOP is trying to reap the whirlwind by pandering to the nutjobs but the wealthy don't benefit from anarchy. Had the mob broke into the Senate chamber on January 6th they would have killed Cruz and Hawley because 99% of those rubes probably have no idea who is who in terms of Republican and Democrat.

And yet Cruz and Hawley are still fine with it, still trying to minimize it.

 

[DaveXA]

We have members here who are ready to rip it all up. I think you may have expressed that sentiment yourself - my apologies if it was someone else. But I can think of 3 right off the top of my head.

It was someone else. I can assure you he never said that.

 

[DaveXA]

I don't buy into this. Obviously the GOP is trying to reap the whirlwind by pandering to the nutjobs but the wealthy don't benefit from anarchy. Had the mob broke into the Senate chamber on January 6th they would have killed Cruz and Hawley because 99% of those rubes probably have no idea who is who in terms of Republican and Democrat.

The wealthy and powerful view Q-nuts as useful idiots more than anything else.

 

[RobF]

But that's under a framework where they know they might eventually retake the White House and be able to appoint with a vote of 50+VP. If it's 2/3rds then the Democrats would simply do the same thing to a Republican President and there would literally be no more judicial replacements. Eventually things would deescalate out of necessity.

But would they? Mutually deescalating out of necessity would be the generally reasonable thing to do, but it's not the only way that scenario could go. One party could compromise, but not the other. One party could have taken itself to such an extreme position in terms of demonisation of its opposition that compromise isn't even on the table any more (e.g. if a party routinely cast its opposition and their nominations as agents of evil, that doesn't exactly position them to start saying, "Actually, they're alright."). Then you'd be looking at the scenario resolving itself in other ways (from 2/3 rule going, to entire system collapsing).

That's not to say it couldn't deescalate, or that such a 2/3 rule couldn't help create an environment where that occurs, but I don't think it'd do it by itself. I think the problems run much deeper.

 

[coldseat]

I don't buy into this. Obviously the GOP is trying to reap the whirlwind by pandering to the nutjobs but the wealthy don't benefit from anarchy. Had the mob broke into the Senate chamber on January 6th they would have killed Cruz and Hawley because 99% of those rubes probably have no idea who is who in terms of Republican and Democrat.

If Ginni Thomas's text messages should tell us anything, it's that's there's no difference between the wealthy/powerful and the nutjobs. I mean, they (Republicans) elected one of the wealthy nutjobs to represent all of us as President and are still on his nuts even after he tried to foment an insurrection. They're all the same, Hawley and Cruz included. Whether they're pantomiming or true believers, they're all willing to go to the same extremes to get power and don't care if that quest destroys our public institutions or democratic republic. That's why "truth" doesn't matter to them.

 

[MT15]

It was someone else. I can assure you he never said that.

I went and looked, it was a different member who wants to “rip it all up”. So I was wrong about that. Saul said he was ambivalent about whether this country was worth saving.

 

[DaveXA]

I went and looked, it was a different member who wants to “rip it all up”. So I was wrong about that. Saul said he was ambivalent about whether this country was worth saving.

Yeah, well, I get the sentiment. I mean, I've already stated that if Trump gets elected president again, I'm done and will move to Korea. No joke.

 

[MT15]

i know. But those of us who are anchored here would like to think this country is still worth saving.

 

[Optimus Prime]

The wealthy and powerful view Q-nuts as useful idiots more than anything else.

I agree to a point

It's like the Tea Party after Obama's election

They were riled up, the GOP gleefully riled them up even more every chance they could

The Tea Party was supposed to use their anger and outrage and vote Republican

What was NOT supposed to happen was them running their own candidates in the primary

I have no doubt that the GOP wanted a huge Obama inauguration sized crowd on Jan 6th (not Trump crowd, that would be sad) on Jan 6th, they wanted them yelling, screaming, chanting

But they wanted them to stay out where they were.

I'd like to believe that they didn't want that crowd breaching the Capitol roaming the halls looking for politicians

It's a problem when your useful idiots stray beyond the role that was envisioned for them

 

[MT15]

Well, this is soooo on-brand:

 

[superchuck500]

So MJG this morning alluded to Judge Jackson as a pedophile. Tonight, Tom Cotton goes with Nazi.

 

[DaveXA]

So MJG this morning alluded to Judge Jackson as a pedophile. Tonight, Tom Cotton goes with Nazi.

Tom Cotton is Putin, who knew?

 

[BullSheetBuddha]

So MJG this morning alluded to Judge Jackson as a pedophile. Tonight, Tom Cotton goes with Nazi.

"The last Judge Jackson left the Supreme Court to go to Nuremberg and prosecute the case against the Nazis. This Judge Jackson might have gone there to defend them."

These people are nuts.

 

[DaveXA]

"The last Judge Jackson left the Supreme Court to go to Nuremberg and prosecute the case against the Nazis. This Judge Jackson might have gone there to defend them."

These people are nuts.

Certifiably.

 

[MT15]

Tom Cotton is Putin, who knew?

I know this is a joke, and it made me smile, but there have been serious inroads into the Republican Party made by Putin in the last 20 years. It’s a bit concerning that our R politicians and media don’t mind parroting Putin talking points.

 

[DaveXA]

I know this is a joke, and it made me smile, but there have been serious inroads into the Republican Party made by Putin in the last 20 years. It’s a bit concerning that our R politicians and media don’t mind parroting Putin talking points.

I don't think it's in mainstream Republican thought, but there's definitely a real percentage of them doing that. It's weird though, other than Trump and his idiot lemmings, most Republicans actually hate Putin and want him out of the picture. There are a number of Republican Congressional reps supporting sending Ukraine more weapons and aid. Then you have idiot Rand Paul with his own strange agenda basically trying to slow everything down.

I'm just glad Trump isn't president, otherwise we'd probably still be on the wrong side of this terrible war.

 

[SaulGoodmanEsq]

I went and looked, it was a different member who wants to “rip it all up”. So I was wrong about that. Saul said he was ambivalent about whether this country was worth saving.

I'm definitely not in favor of tearing down the government but I don't see how we can return to any degree of normalcy. My ambivalence mostly comes from the fact that I fully intend to emigrate once I'm ready to retire. If I had a more fungible career/skill-set I probably wouldn't wait. I've never been much of a 'patriot' in the sense that I think America is infallible or for whatever reason has a monopoly on freedom/civil rights. No shortage of countries in the world where the societies are just as free, if not freer than the U.S. It's a big world out there with a lot of interesting places.

I realize most of the suggestions I have to fix things are 'unrealistic' in the sense that they would never be agreed to given the current (and most likely future) state of politics. There are far too many people who have fallen under the sway of conspiracy theories and grifting political pundits and too many media outlets pumping out garbage to get a handle on things.

 

[MT15]

Oh, I am not judging. My husband has joked that if Trump would somehow win another term we are moving somewhere. Realistically, though, I couldn’t bear to leave family in that way.