Capitol Riot arrests (3 Viewers)

[Bigdaddysaints]

Figured we should start a separate thread on the arrests and those involved in the storming of the Capitol. I know it has been talked about in the other thread a lot, but for the ones who just want to follow the ones arrested and/or charged, this will be an easier way to see updates on the investigations.

Link below is everyone who has been arrested. But we know there will be more.

Capitol Breach Cases

www.justice.gov

The website seems to be updated with new information daily.

The ones who are getting the most air time:

Notable Arrests After the Riot at the Capitol (Published 2021)

Dozens have been charged since a mob of Trump supporters stormed the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6.

www.nytimes.com

Jake Angeli

Adam Johnson

Richard Barnett

Kevin Seefried

Eric Gavelek Munchel

Larry R. Brock
Lisa Eisenhart
Robert Keith Packer
Klete Keller
Aaron Mostofsky
Anthime Joseph Gionet
Peter Francis Stager
Christine Priola

 

[SoggyBottomBoy]

I’m not sure if you’re trolling, playing devils advocate or are actually this naive.

Indeed. Definitely an insurrection. No doubt about it. Which is why the participants are being charged with insurrection, as in Title 18, Chapter 115, code §2383.

Oh wait.. they're not

Yeah.. I know.. I'm being sardonic. If the Media and the Politicians say it was insurection, then who is the Law to say otherwise ?

SBTB, I'm going with "A". Trolling.
That's my final answer.

 

[Taurus]

Discussion requires equal effort from both participants, agreeing on definitions, and a general agreement on facts. You knowing and understanding American history may help us reach the point where discussion can be had.

Below’s links are Trump’s role in the coup and the belief by Trump and his supporters that if sufficiently pressured Pence could reject the electors and “come through” for Trump on Jan 6. There is/was a widely held belief by some that if Pence rejected the electors Trump would remain the de facto President. That was “The Plan”. The people who violently stormed to Capitol did so to implement that “Plan”. The stupidity of “The Plan” just makes it a stupid, failed coup.

Some 147 Rs voted to rejected the outcome. The uproar about Rs Senators supporting the House is due to Bush/Gore precedent for how this is handled. Gore issued a concession speech weeks earlier. He presided over Bush’s certification. When House Ds rejected a state’s vote, Gore gaveled them down and not a single Senator join them to force debate. By Jan 3rd eleven R Sen said they would reject certification prior to the coup.

Trump never issued a concession speech and did not commit to an orderly transfer of power until a Jan 7 tweet. Before then, he used every possible action to stage a coup that would not result in his removal via impeachment or the 25th Amendment.

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Dishing out some quality Troll Chow.

Of course, neither of us do it for the troll, we do it for lurking readers.

 

[B4YOU]

Dishing out some quality Troll Chow.

Of course, neither of us do it for the troll, we do it for lurking readers.

I’m in DC. I’ve been in a bunch of secure federal buildings requiring escorts including the Capitol and worked NSSE events where I’ve got to chat with secret service agents. This hits home.

I’ve seen some moderate opinions by people I really respect like @superchuck500 and @UncleTrvlingJim on use of force on Jan 6. I’ve seen talk of appropriate consequences. I would fall very much to the “right” on some of this.

If the shooting of Ashli Babbitt is justified, then we need to discuss the line where the shooting should have started. Secure federal buildings have both people and information that must be protected. The looting of the Office of the Speaker is the same as looting the Oval Office. Once the line on the steps could not be held by non-lethal means, the new line for lethal force should have been the doors of the Capitol to protect the lives and information beyond those doors.

I believe every person entering the Capitol on Jan 6 should be charged with seditious conspiracy and there should be no plea bargaining for anyone with a weapon, restraint, or who physically assaulted police. The woman who stole the laptop from the Speaker’s Office with the intent to sell it to Russia should be charged with treason in addition to seditious conspiracy. I believe multiple people people who spoke on stage on Jan 6 prior to the coup should be charged with advocating overthrow of government including Trump and Giuliani.

IMO, DC guns laws were a major factor preventing the success of this coup.

 

[DJ1BigTymer]

While Mike Lee opposes impeaching Trump, he suggests censuring liberal congresswoman

Sen. Mike Lee suggests censuring Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez for tweeting that Texas Sen. Ted Cruz tried "to kill me."

www.sltrib.com

“If Representative Ocasio-Cortez does not apologize immediately, we will be forced to find alternate means to condemn this regrettable statement,” Roy wrote. “It is my sincere hope that we all stop this heightened rhetoric and move forward to actually do the work the American people sent us here to do.”

This forking guy. Meanwhile, Stupid Q Greene exist within his own caucus and he has yet to breathe a word about her batshirt antics. Who knew the Sedition Caucus was full of COWARDS.

 

[DaveXA]

I’m in DC. I’ve been in a bunch of secure federal buildings requiring escorts including the Capitol and worked NSSE events where I’ve got to chat with secret service agents. This hits home.

I’ve seen some moderate opinions by people I really respect like @superchuck500 and @UncleTrvlingJim on use of force on Jan 6. I’ve seen talk of appropriate consequences. I would fall very much to the “right” on some of this.

If the shooting of Ashli Babbitt is justified, then we need to discuss the line where the shooting should have started. Secure federal buildings have both people and information that must be protected. The looting of the Office of the Speaker is the same as looting the Oval Office. Once the line on the steps could not be held by non-lethal means, the new line for lethal force should have been the doors of the Capitol to protect the lives and information beyond those doors.

I believe every person entering the Capitol on Jan 6 should be charged with seditious conspiracy and there should be no plea bargaining for anyone with a weapon, restraint, or who physically assaulted police. The woman who stole the laptop from the Speaker’s Office with the intent to sell it to Russia should be charged with treason in addition to seditious conspiracy. I believe multiple people people who spoke on stage on Jan 6 prior to the coup should be charged with advocating overthrow of government including Trump and Giuliani.

IMO, DC guns laws were a major factor preventing the success of this coup.

Agree 100% with everything you said. It absolutely pisses me off, not just because of what happened that day, but the aftermath as well. The Capitol won't be the same for years. It's supposed to be the People's House where the public can see our seat of government and witness it in session. Taking a tour of the Capitol is a highlight of any visit to DC.

Now those butt crevasses forced the US Capitol Police and other related agencies to maintain a defensive posture, erect fencing around the complex and looks more like a fortress than a government building people would enjoy visiting.

Yeah, I'm angry because I work in DC and living in and around the city for 20+ years, it's just home for me.

I really hope the fencing is temporary, but as long as those idiots are threatening our government like that, I don't think they'll take it down.

 

[superchuck500]

 

[t_rav_82]

I’m in DC. I’ve been in a bunch of secure federal buildings requiring escorts including the Capitol and worked NSSE events where I’ve got to chat with secret service agents. This hits home.

What? You didn’t respond to my DC thread on SR. What’s up with that? Haha

 

[DaveXA]

Treason, conspiracy to commit murder, inciting insurrection...throw the book at her. If she doesn't get life in prison, I'll be disappointed.

 

[wardorican]

Literally looks like an Internet Troll..

 

[efil4]

Treason, conspiracy to commit murder, inciting insurrection...throw the book at her. If she doesn't get life in prison, I'll be disappointed.

Lost her Gym affiliation with CrossFit LLC - they pulled their sponsorship from her gym.

Gonna lose a lot more.

 

[Bigdaddysaints]

well, if the name fits...
Stephen Ignoramus’ Arrested After Posting Videos of Himself at Capitol Riots

‘Stephen Ignoramus’ Arrested After Posting Videos of Himself at Capitol Riots Telling Viewers to ‘Repent and Believe in Jesus’

A YouTuber named “Stephen Ignoramus” was arrested after posting multiple videos of himself participating in the Jan. 6 riots at the U.S. Capitol.

lawandcrime.com

 

[B4YOU]

Investigators recommend Capitol officer who fatally shot Ashli Babbitt should not be charged, report says

35-year-old Air Force veteran among several people who died during insurrection

www.independent.co.uk

“The US Capitol Police officer who fatally shot Ashli Babbitt during the insurrection on 6 January should not be charged with any crimes for her death, according to The Wall Street Journal, citing people familiar with the investigation.”

 

[DaveXA]

Investigators recommend Capitol officer who fatally shot Ashli Babbitt should not be charged, report says

35-year-old Air Force veteran among several people who died during insurrection

www.independent.co.uk

“The US Capitol Police officer who fatally shot Ashli Babbitt during the insurrection on 6 January should not be charged with any crimes for her death, according to The Wall Street Journal, citing people familiar with the investigation.”

Heck, I'd give him a commendation. He did what he was trained to do.

 

[Saintman2884]

I’m in DC. I’ve been in a bunch of secure federal buildings requiring escorts including the Capitol and worked NSSE events where I’ve got to chat with secret service agents. This hits home.

I’ve seen some moderate opinions by people I really respect like @superchuck500 and @UncleTrvlingJim on use of force on Jan 6. I’ve seen talk of appropriate consequences. I would fall very much to the “right” on some of this.

If the shooting of Ashli Babbitt is justified, then we need to discuss the line where the shooting should have started. Secure federal buildings have both people and information that must be protected. The looting of the Office of the Speaker is the same as looting the Oval Office. Once the line on the steps could not be held by non-lethal means, the new line for lethal force should have been the doors of the Capitol to protect the lives and information beyond those doors.

I believe every person entering the Capitol on Jan 6 should be charged with seditious conspiracy and there should be no plea bargaining for anyone with a weapon, restraint, or who physically assaulted police. The woman who stole the laptop from the Speaker’s Office with the intent to sell it to Russia should be charged with treason in addition to seditious conspiracy. I believe multiple people people who spoke on stage on Jan 6 prior to the coup should be charged with advocating overthrow of government including Trump and Giuliani.

IMO, DC guns laws were a major factor preventing the success of this coup.

Apart from the Jan. 6 Capitol riots/insurrectionists, gun laws haven't exactly helped make a Chicago some gun-related, less homicide safer from crime city despite being very stringent and arguably, repressive gun laws. Same thing with NYC pre-Covid 2020 with it laws restricting hand guns or lawful purchase, and possession of guns, period.
But, these are different arguments from different issues and not really relatable except D.C. can't enforce its gun laws to cities, states and municipalities where gun rights are looser and one doesn't feel like their a social outcast if they want to buy handguns, hunting rifles, or a gun souvenier collector.

FWIW, I really despise this smug, elitist tendency among some progressives that gun owners or people who buy, collect, or own guns are paranoid, fundamentally anti-social rednecks with no college education, no good-paying jobs, and stupid. They have this strong, vivid stereotypical straw man in their minds they fester and nurture and spew it out in obnoxious, insulting ways and repeat it ad nauseam so much it must be true enough to keep justify believing it.

 

[wardorican]

Apart from the Jan. 6 Capitol riots/insurrectionists, gun laws haven't exactly helped make a Chicago some gun-related, less homicide safer from crime city despite being very stringent and arguably, repressive gun laws. Same thing with NYC pre-Covid 2020 with it laws restricting hand guns or lawful purchase, and possession of guns, period.
But, these are different arguments from different issues and not really relatable except D.C. can't enforce its gun laws to cities, states and municipalities where gun rights are looser and one doesn't feel like their a social outcast if they want to buy handguns, hunting rifles, or a gun souvenier collector.

FWIW, I really despise this smug, elitist tendency among some progressives that gun owners or people who buy, collect, or own guns are paranoid, fundamentally anti-social rednecks with no college education, no good-paying jobs, and stupid. They have this strong, vivid stereotypical straw man in their minds they fester and nurture and spew it out in obnoxious, insulting ways and repeat it ad nauseam so much it must be true enough to keep justify believing it.

Can you explain the differences between chicago gun laws and D.C.?

Restrictive isnt exactly a meaningful term.

 

[Saintman2884]

Chicago gun laws are seen by many law enforcement experts and political analysts, or insiders as being as some of the strictest, most stringest in the country meaning unless you're a cop, or an exe member of local, state, or federal branch of law enforcement in Illinois, you can't open carry, the background checks, IIRC, are a lot longer, a bit more tedious, and more time-consuming in terms of paperwork from what Ive heard then other larger, metropolitan cities like Atlanta, Nashville, or New Orleans. Restrictive, I agree is more of an opinion or a perception on this issue because in some gun rights activists, it makes ordinary, last abiding citizens out to be paranoid, unintelligent militia types and paints them out or infers unnecessarily that their outcasts or dangerous, somehow.

Chicago's strict gun laws have also been criticized by politicians and experts on both sides because cracking down on guns, illegal or not, hasn't stopped the rising rate of gun-related homicide murder cases or gun-related violence. While thats a fair point certainly, what it doesn't touch on is that while Chicago's gun laws might be strict, people living there or in-state can still travel to and purchase, collect firearms in surrounding states with looser restrictions and favorable gun laws, like Indiana and Kentucky.

Its the same way with D.C.'s gun laws, no matter how restrictive, strict they are, if you have a very large, armed mob of insurrectionists, rioters coming in from maybe a majority of states with looser gun restrictions and less, bureaucratic red tape to obtain them, coming in armed with rifles, semiautomatic weapons like AR-15's, Brownings, etc. Its going to be very difficult for Capitol Police or DC police to be adequately prepared for scenarios like that to confront them. And unfortunately, in this day and time, that is a more urgent pressing set of issues that needs to be addressed.

 

[Taurus]

Chicago gun laws are seen by many law enforcement experts and political analysts, or insiders as being as some of the strictest, most stringest in the country meaning unless you're a cop, or an exe member of local, state, or federal branch of law enforcement in Illinois, you can't open carry, the background checks, IIRC, are a lot longer, a bit more tedious, and more time-consuming in terms of paperwork from what Ive heard then other larger, metropolitan cities like Atlanta, Nashville, or New Orleans. Restrictive, I agree is more of an opinion or a perception on this issue because in some gun rights activists, it makes ordinary, last abiding citizens out to be paranoid, unintelligent militia types and paints them out or infers unnecessarily that their outcasts or dangerous, somehow.

Chicago's strict gun laws have also been criticized by politicians and experts on both sides because cracking down on guns, illegal or not, hasn't stopped the rising rate of gun-related homicide murder cases or gun-related violence. While thats a fair point certainly, what it doesn't touch on is that while Chicago's gun laws might be strict, people living there or in-state can still travel to and purchase, collect firearms in surrounding states with looser restrictions and favorable gun laws, like Indiana and Kentucky.

Its the same way with D.C.'s gun laws, no matter how restrictive, strict they are, if you have a very large, armed mob of insurrectionists, rioters coming in from maybe a majority of states with looser gun restrictions and less, bureaucratic red tape to obtain them, coming in armed with rifles, semiautomatic weapons like AR-15's, Brownings, etc. Its going to be very difficult for Capitol Police or DC police to be adequately prepared for scenarios like that to confront them. And unfortunately, in this day and time, that is a more urgent pressing set of issues that needs to be addressed.

If open carry is illegal and concealed carry is tightly restricted, you can interdict insurrectionists who A: try carrying their AR-15 out over their shoulder and B: arrest the ones with a Glock under their shirt.
This mostly works for out-of-towners gathered in large, obvious groups. It's less effective in dealing with residents.

 

[MT15]

Nobody in Chicago is traveling to Kentucky to buy a gun. They would have to travel through the entire state of Indiana to get to Kentucky, what would be the point? They could just buy a gun in Indiana.

I think that the take here has some merit, but he tends to lump progressives together just as he complains pretty bitterly about gun owners being lumped together.

There are people who stereotype gun owners, but I don’t believe it is nearly as widespread as is portrayed here.

The other consideration is that I have read recently that DC has far more police per capita than any other area in the US. Maybe that has something to do with the ability to enforce gun laws? Worth considering.