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    I was looking for a place to put this so we could discuss but didn't really find a place that worked so I created this thread so we can all place articles, experiences, videos and examples of racism in the USA.

    This is one that happened this week. The lady even called and filed a complaint on the officer. This officer also chose to wear the body cam (apparently, LA doesn't require this yet). This exchange wasn't necessarily racist IMO until she started with the "mexican racist...you will never be white, like you want" garbage. That is when it turned racist IMO

    All the murderer and other insults, I think are just a by product of CRT and ACAB rhetoric that is very common on the radical left and sadly is being brought to mainstream in this country.

    Another point that I think is worth mentioning is she is a teacher and the sense of entitlement she feels is mind blowing.

    https://news.yahoo.com/black-teacher-berates-latino-la-221235341.html
     
    Common sense, the officer didn’t do his job properly, or he wouldn’t have been in that position. It was a tragedy. And I noticed nobody who has seen the video ever answered my question: the description I read said that the officer demanded to see the guy’s license, after which the guy just took a few steps toward the car - presumably to get his license, and then the cop tackled him. They said he wasn’t running. I didn’t watch the video, but they said the guy was moving slowly toward the car. Once the cop tackles him, then everything changes.

    There was a language barrier. This was a needless death. That is on the cop as much as anyone.
     
    MT15 said:
    Common sense, the officer didn’t do his job properly, or he wouldn’t have been in that position. It was a tragedy. And I noticed nobody who has seen the video ever answered my question: the description I read said that the officer demanded to see the guy’s license, after which the guy just took a few steps toward the car - presumably to get his license, and then the cop tackled him. They said he wasn’t running. I didn’t watch the video, but they said the guy was moving slowly toward the car. Once the cop tackles him, then everything changes.

    There was a language barrier. This was a needless death. That is on the cop as much as anyone.
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    He was moving slowly, near the front of the vehicle. The officer says, "No, no, no. Stop. Stop. Put your hands-", then it becomes hard to make out because the cop puts his hands on the man, which is the beginning of the conflict.
     
    DaveXA said:
    And if the cop didn't shoot a scared dude in the head, this would not have happened. :shrug:

    Better training and de-escelation techniques can make a difference. The question is more about how to resolve a difficult situation. The cop has the greater responsibilities because he's the one with a gun and with authority. Using his gun should only be a last resort and I don't think it was even close to that at that point.
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    Yes. As soon as Lyoya got out of the car, a major signal, officer Christopher Schur should have been thinking about the best way to handle this. Instead, he just charged into it. IMO

    Edited to add 4 in 1 video of the incident. 1) from the cruiser 2) from the police body camera 3) from a neighbor's cam 4) from a cell phone. I had not seen this before.

     
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    BullSheetBuddha said:
    Yes. As soon as Lyoya got out of the car, a major signal, officer Christopher Schur should have been thinking about the best way to handle this. Instead, he just charged into it. IMO

    Edited to add 4 in 1 video of the incident. 1) from the cruiser 2) from the police body camera 3) from a neighbor's cam 4) from a cell phone. I had not seen this before.

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    How did the officer charge right into it? How many times did he yell for the guy to stop fighting and to drop the taser?
    That was a clean shoot. IMO. A shame, but a clean shoot none the less.
    Rule #1- don't run fight the cops. They will win 100% of the time
     
    Farb said:
    How did the officer charge right into it? How many times did he yell for the guy to stop fighting and to drop the taser?
    That was a clean shoot. IMO. A shame, but a clean shoot none the less.
    Rule #1- don't run fight the cops. They will win 100% of the time
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    By getting out of his car and approaching the man, standing well within his personal space, then putting his hands on him when he slowly stepped away. The cop here did nothing to deescalate the situation. The cop was the aggressor at every turn. The cop laid hands first, not the Lyoya. The cop pulled and fired the taser, not Lyoya. The cop wrestled Lyoya onto his stomach, pulled his gun, and shot him in the head.

    What did Lyoya do to deserve the first aggressive move, which was having the cop put his hands on him?
     
    Farb said:
    How did the officer charge right into it? How many times did he yell for the guy to stop fighting and to drop the taser?
    That was a clean shoot. IMO. A shame, but a clean shoot none the less.
    Rule #1- don't run fight the cops. They will win 100% of the time
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    This was a lot of things, but a clean shoot isn't one. Running from the cops doesn't make it a clean shoot. The cop has to live with the fact that he killed a dude, needlessly.

    Also, if the guy doesn't understand the cop, he can yell stop all he wants, the scared guy isn't going to know different if he doesn't understand the cop.
     

    Patrick Lyoya’s troubles with police may have prompted his resistance to officer​

    By John Agar | jagar@mlive.com and John Tunison | jtunison@mlive.com

    .................................................snip..........................................................................................................................................Much of Lyoya’s criminal record is related to driving offenses. He also had an arrest warrant issued April 1 for a domestic violence charge at the time of the traffic stop.

    Lyoya had three convictions for operating while intoxicated, unlawful use of a motor vehicle, domestic violence and driving while license is suspended or revoked and a then-pending domestic-violence charge, state police and Secretary of State records showed.

    His driver’s license was revoked when he was stopped April 4.

    Lyoya, 26, was stopped around 8:10 a.m. on Nelson Avenue SE, just north of Griggs Street. Officer Christopher Schurr, who has been identified by police Chief Eric Winstrom as the officer in the shooting, told Lyoya to get back in the vehicle and provide identification. Lyoya refused, and ran from the officer.

    The two fought about 90 seconds for control of the Taser before Schurr, who was on top of Lyoya at that point, shot Lyoya in the back of the head.
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    https://www.mlive.com/news/grand-ra...-have-prompted-his-resistance-to-officer.html
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    cuddlemonkey said:
    By getting out of his car and approaching the man, standing well within his personal space, then putting his hands on him when he slowly stepped away. The cop here did nothing to deescalate the situation. The cop was the aggressor at every turn. The cop laid hands first, not the Lyoya. The cop pulled and fired the taser, not Lyoya. The cop wrestled Lyoya onto his stomach, pulled his gun, and shot him in the head.

    What did Lyoya do to deserve the first aggressive move, which was having the cop put his hands on him?
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    Began to walk around the front the vehicle when he was told to stop. If he would have obeyed the officer and just taken the ticket, everyone would be alive. Instead, he didn't, ran, fought and got shot.

    It is amazing you said you watched the video and I know I watched the video and we see completely different things. I guess it is to be expected.
     
    DaveXA said:
    This was a lot of things, but a clean shoot isn't one. Running from the cops doesn't make it a clean shoot. The cop has to live with the fact that he killed a dude, needlessly.

    Also, if the guy doesn't understand the cop, he can yell stop all he wants, the scared guy isn't going to know different if he doesn't understand the cop.
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    It was a clean shoot. You will see once it plays out in court. Just like the Rittenhouse trial, when viewed through racism, everyone intentions are evil.

    Should non-english speakers be allowed to drive here then, if that language barrier might cause them to run and fight in a routine traffic stop and cause death? I don't think so, but it is a valid question since you guys keep bring up the language barrier.

    If you were in Nigeria and didn't speak the language and you got pulled over, would be run from the cops because you could not understand them? Next time at a foreign airport and they ask for a passport in a langue you can't understand, are you going to run away and fight with them over the language barrier? No. Most normal people will be polite and do as they are told by non spoken clues. To use the language barrier as an excuse to be scared and run and fight is clearly grasping at straws.
     
    BullSheetBuddha said:
    Officer Schurr ran out of gas so he shot Lyoya instead of continuing to wrestle with him. IMO
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    Fighting through 3 front yards would wear most people out. Why did the suspect have the taser?
     
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/s...he-n-word-at-a-georgia-high-school/ar-AAWCRtj

    "viral video has circulated of a white female student being slapped by a Black male student after she called him the N-word during school hours at Locust Grove High School.
    The administration issued the male student with disciplinary repercussions for the slap, while the female student who agitated the incident will not face any consequences.

    Unsatisfied with the school’s decision following the viral incident, a senior at Locust Grove, Layla Moreau, and her friend organized a protest to support Black students experiencing racism at the predominantly white high school."

    Does the use of the N-word justify physical violence? If so, why? Does it matter that a male physically attacked a female?
     
    Farb said:
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/s...he-n-word-at-a-georgia-high-school/ar-AAWCRtj

    "viral video has circulated of a white female student being slapped by a Black male student after she called him the N-word during school hours at Locust Grove High School.
    The administration issued the male student with disciplinary repercussions for the slap, while the female student who agitated the incident will not face any consequences.

    Unsatisfied with the school’s decision following the viral incident, a senior at Locust Grove, Layla Moreau, and her friend organized a protest to support Black students experiencing racism at the predominantly white high school."

    Does the use of the N-word justify physical violence? If so, why? Does it matter that a male physically attacked a female?
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    Strictly speaking, it doesn't justify physical violence. I've seen/heard of many black people holding on to their composure in racist situations when being called the N-word. Then again she's racist and I'm not losing sleep over a racist getting slapped, man or woman. I bet she won't be doing that again.

    As far as consequences for the young man, I would go on the light side given the circumstances. She should also face consequences for calling him the N-word.
     

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