All things political. Coronavirus Edition. (17 Viewers)

[Maxp]

I fear we are really going to be in a bad place due to the obvious cuts to the federal agencies that deal with infectious disease, but also the negative effect the Affordable Care act has had on non urban hospitals. Our front line defenses are ineffectual and our ability to treat the populous is probably at an all time low. Factor in the cost of healthcare and I can see our system crashing. What do you think about the politics of this virus?

 

[Joe Okc]

Hummmm.. Remington Arms offers Cuomo there production facility to make PPE's 10 days ago...

Remington CEO: Trump, Cuomo welcome to use Ilion facility during coronavirus crisis

Remington Arms is offering 1 million square feet of production space to the state for use in the fight against coronavirus.

www.wktv.com

So far, Cuomo has yet to take them up on their offer.

Gov. Andrew Cuomo Has Not Yet Accepted Remington's Offer to Help With PPE, Ventilators

townhall.com

Anybody but Remington Arms I guess... Politics...

 

[V Chip]

So, you don't think the Chief Executive would be in the system?
OK.

EDIT: I too believe this was braggadocio. It was needling, to get a rise out of his opponents. Joe Biden stepped all over it too. No, I don't think it will be implemented either.

In my experience across multiple companies, the executives were never in the system for "mundane" things like writing checks -- even huge checks. Sometimes their approvals were needed for large amounts, but they weren't in the system for the signatures on checks.

In my last company (a very large company with multiple billion-dollar brands), the highest up we went for signatures was the Financial officer one step below the CFO. The CFO's authorization was required for large amounts, as well as two members of the Financial Oversight Board (or whatever they called it), and approval at that level usually took days at best as all parties would be required for independent review. When one of the two highest level check authorizers was sidelined (and later retired) with an aneurysm, it took three weeks to get through the process of approving a new person to get the authority to replace him.

And that was a private company, not the government.

 

[not2rich]

Hummmm.. Remington Arms offers Cuomo there production facility to make PPE's 10 days ago...

Remington CEO: Trump, Cuomo welcome to use Ilion facility during coronavirus crisis

Remington Arms is offering 1 million square feet of production space to the state for use in the fight against coronavirus.

www.wktv.com

So far, Cuomo has yet to take them up on their offer.

Gov. Andrew Cuomo Has Not Yet Accepted Remington's Offer to Help With PPE, Ventilators

townhall.com

Anybody but Remington Arms I guess... Politics...

Has Remington actually started manufacturing PPE? Even if New York doesn't want them, surely other states - for example, Louisiana - would. Has Remington offered to manufacture PPE for Louisiana?

 

[Lapaz]

Does anyone believe that masks would NOT help prevent the spread? It seems logical to me that it would prevent the spread. I know that healthcare workers and the most vulnerable should get them first, but we shouldn't be told that the masks won't help. If I wear a mask, and don't breath in someone's coughed air, then I won't get sick, and therefore won't spread it to others. The only reason to tell people that they won't help spread the disease is to prevent a run on masks so that the people that need them most can't get them. However, lying causes people to distrust everything else they're told. Am I off base?

I asked almost a month ago why we were being told that masks wouldn’t help. I knew that didn’t make sense. It’s about time that experts acknowledged that it would help. Why are we so slow to learn? We could see other countries that were having success doing it. Makes me wonder about these experts.

 

[The moose]

Has Remington actually started manufacturing PPE? Even if New York doesn't want them, surely other states - for example, Louisiana - would. Has Remington offered to manufacture PPE for Louisiana?

Ya see that is the whole problem with this press grab bullshirt article. They are offering the building. Not labor not to accually do one God damn thing just space if YOU want to. You know why they moved production elsewhere. So they no longer have a work force to do anything at that plant.

Are they offering to shut down other plants to do this? Heck no they are just offering a 200 year old building that is not used for much because they moved the jobs to the deep south where labor is much cheaper than the state of new York. Ya know to a right to work state so no union.

That is the problem in a nutshell with this administration. If the defense production act is used then your uncle supplies seed money to get the ball rolling any you then supply the labor. The way they are doing things they want some major corporate giant out of the kindness of their hearts to tool up pay for the whole thing and then sell them themselves.

In essence free market rather than the defense production act that is exceptionally socialist. Because for the defense production act you are making whatever for your uncle and your uncle pays a fair price for that product. About as socialist as you could possibly be.

I really don't understand how this is all over everyone's head.

 

[Dadsdream]

In my experience across multiple companies, the executives were never in the system for "mundane" things like writing checks -- even huge checks. Sometimes their approvals were needed for large amounts, but they weren't in the system for the signatures on checks.

In my last company (a very large company with multiple billion-dollar brands), the highest up we went for signatures was the Financial officer one step below the CFO. The CFO's authorization was required for large amounts, as well as two members of the Financial Oversight Board (or whatever they called it), and approval at that level usually took days at best as all parties would be required for independent review. When one of the two highest level check authorizers was sidelined (and later retired) with an aneurysm, it took three weeks to get through the process of approving a new person to get the authority to replace him.

And that was a private company, not the government.

My experience is all federal government, 40 years.

I find it difficult to.believe that the president can sign trillion dollar stimulus but can't sign a $1200 check.

 

[Optimus Prime]

(CNN)Just eight US governors have decided against issuing statewide directives urging their residents to stay at home as the outbreak of the coronavirus escalates and spreads across the country, the last holdouts in the nation.

The governors, all of whom are Republican, have offered a variety of explanations for why they have not followed the lead of their colleagues from coast-to-coast -- along with countries across the world -- by ordering people to restrict their movement in hopes of slowing the pandemic.

In doing so, they've collectively ignored the stay-at-home pleas of Dr. Anthony Fauci, the nation's top infectious disease expert, who said in a CNN interview: "If you look at what's going on in this country, I just don't understand why we're not doing that."

Absent a nationwide order, which President Donald Trump once again on Friday declined to give, a patchwork of rules has emerged in all corners of the country that offer conflicting guidance for how citizens should protect themselves and their families from coronavirus.

"I leave it up to the governors. The governors know what they are doing," Trump said at his daily White House briefing. "States that we are talking about are not in jeopardy."..........

Why these 8 Republican governors are holding out on statewide stay-at-home orders | CNN Politics

Just eight US governors have decided against issuing statewide directives urging their residents to stay at home as the outbreak of the coronavirus escalates and spreads across the country, the last holdouts in the nation.

www.cnn.com

 

[Beach Friends]

My experience is all federal government, 40 years.

I find it difficult to.believe that the president can sign trillion dollar stimulus but can't sign a $1200 check.

All of this handwringing about how the leader of the free world could possibly have his signature printed on checks in a timely fashion is just a distraction. Again, if one watches Biden's statement he clearly implies that the checks will be delayed because the POTUS is going to be hand signing them.

Meanwhile, disbursements are hitting accounts electronically which was always the plan for everyone they have banking info on.

 

[Saintamaniac]

(CNN)Just eight US governors have decided against issuing statewide directives urging their residents to stay at home as the outbreak of the coronavirus escalates and spreads across the country, the last holdouts in the nation.

The governors, all of whom are Republican, have offered a variety of explanations for why they have not followed the lead of their colleagues from coast-to-coast -- along with countries across the world -- by ordering people to restrict their movement in hopes of slowing the pandemic.

In doing so, they've collectively ignored the stay-at-home pleas of Dr. Anthony Fauci, the nation's top infectious disease expert, who said in a CNN interview: "If you look at what's going on in this country, I just don't understand why we're not doing that."

Absent a nationwide order, which President Donald Trump once again on Friday declined to give, a patchwork of rules has emerged in all corners of the country that offer conflicting guidance for how citizens should protect themselves and their families from coronavirus.

"I leave it up to the governors. The governors know what they are doing," Trump said at his daily White House briefing. "States that we are talking about are not in jeopardy."..........

Why these 8 Republican governors are holding out on statewide stay-at-home orders | CNN Politics

Just eight US governors have decided against issuing statewide directives urging their residents to stay at home as the outbreak of the coronavirus escalates and spreads across the country, the last holdouts in the nation.

www.cnn.com

It's a damn shame what these eight people are doing to the people of their states. When this is over, the people of those states should remove these people. Maybe if some of the family members of these eight people get sick, they'll change their minds. These people are part of the problem and will make it hard for their neighboring states to recover. Arkansas borders Louisiana which has one of the highest infection rates in the nation. The people of these states will suffer needlessly because of the political ideology of 8 people. 8 people are deciding the faith of millions of people.

 

[Joe Okc]

Ya see that is the whole problem with this press grab bullshirt article. They are offering the building. Not labor not to accually do one God damn thing just space if YOU want to. You know why they moved production elsewhere. So they no longer have a work force to do anything at that plant.

Are they offering to shut down other plants to do this? Heck no they are just offering a 200 year old building that is not used for much because they moved the jobs to the deep south where labor is much cheaper than the state of new York. Ya know to a right to work state so no union.

That is the problem in a nutshell with this administration. If the defense production act is used then your uncle supplies seed money to get the ball rolling any you then supply the labor. The way they are doing things they want some major corporate giant out of the kindness of their hearts to tool up pay for the whole thing and then sell them themselves.

In essence free market rather than the defense production act that is exceptionally socialist. Because for the defense production act you are making whatever for your uncle and your uncle pays a fair price for that product. About as socialist as you could possibly be.

I really don't understand how this is all over everyone's head.

Moose, that doesn't seem to be the case here.

D’Arcy said the company would be honored to help produce ventilators, surgical masks, hospital beds or any other products to aid the efforts to combat the coronavirus.

Remington Arms has offered to build hospital supplies including ventilators, surgical masks and beds, joining several other companies to help fight against the spread of the coronavirus.

And Remington has the labor.

Cuomo issued an executive order for all nonessential workers to remain home, and the company announced Friday it would shut down in compliance until April 30.

Now I am sure that Remington can defy Cuomo's order and begin to start making Medical supplies... And I hope that they do.

But Cuomo is known anti gun... that's why he shut down gun manufacturing and ammo manufacturing as Non-essential.

And for all the people who ever said.. "What do you need 1,000 rounds of ammo for?" This is why right here. Cause your government could come in and tell them to just stop and you would be without.


BTW- This was two days ago...

The union representative for Remington Arms in Ilion says more than 400 employees will return to work Monday after gun retailers were designated essential services by the federal government.

Lets see what they do when they go back to work.

 

[The moose]

Moose, that doesn't seem to be the case here.






And Remington has the labor.



Now I am sure that Remington can defy Cuomo's order and begin to start making Medical supplies... And I hope that they do.

But Cuomo is known anti gun... that's why he shut down gun manufacturing and ammo manufacturing as Non-essential.

And for all the people who ever said.. "What do you need 1,000 rounds of ammo for?" This is why right here. Cause your government could come in and tell them to just stop and you would be without.


BTW- This was two days ago...



Lets see what they do when they go back to work.

Joe I would like that they could do the right thing and just do it.

It doesn't seem that way. This is just a ploy for good press. If it was not they would have done it already.

Did some research on their plants. They use to have over 1400 employees at that plant now you said they have 400.
They have since sent production south to brand new plants in Alabama and Kentucky right to work states as I said to screw over the labor in New York and make stockholders more.

If the company wanted to put people to work they would have done it already. If they wanted to help in this fight they would have already.

This is press for you Joe.

I am also sorry you missed the screwing over the working man press and the bankruptcy press but I guess they did not shout that from the roof tops!

Stay safe Joe

 

[Joe Okc]

Stay safe Joe

You stay say too Moose. We are all in this together here...

as to this story... It is my true opinion that it is just politics. I do think that Cuomo being the anti gun guy used this to his advantage in his political game playing.

Now I know that you will think that I am biased.. and I may be. But Remington does have a reputation to stepping up for the country in the past. Al be it in the gun dept.

Was it stunt by remington to offer help. I think that it was a little publicity and a snarky "well take that buddy, but also I think that they would help produce PPE's and ventilators and be glad to help the public while putting their people back to work.. Yet Cuomo can't do it because his ego might just be in the way here. You can't plead for help and then not accept it because the help doesn't fit your agenda.

Other than that and my opinion.. All is well here.. Eating Vitamins like candy... But your in the hot spot.. So you be extra careful.

 

[samiam5211]

These companies shouldn’t be stepping up, they should be forced into an organized production plan.

It’s great that the private sector helps out, but it is not going to be as efficient as if the military was organizing them all in the most efficient way possible.

50 people each trying to help isn’t a tenth as effective as a group of 50 people trying to help.

 

[dtc]

You act like you are trying to figure out why the Captain was relieved, and yet you didn't quote the very portions where the reasons were specifically stated.

I live half a mile from the Pensacola Naval Air station and I've grown up in the shadow of the Navy.

I watched the Blue Angels practice every day this week from my dock.

Not even the most hardened Trump fans I know agree with the removal of the Captain.

None. Zero.

It was what I would call a Petty move.

The Navy is not a petty organization. The disgraceful acts we are seeing from this administration make us all less than we were.

That is incorrect...

Just a little history lesson... That is what the Civil war was about... All those little stars in the Canton belong to and are united under the Federal Government of the USA... The Confederate states were fighting that they had the rights to uphold and make their own laws and govern without being told what to do by the Federal Government. And since the North won... The states are under Federal Government control....

No idea what you're talking about. The FEDS have not shut anyone down. Only the states have and it's been half-baked at best.

 

[dtc]

im simply clarifying. He seems to be under the impression that the state created his woes.

Coronavirus did. And unfortunately, it caused the federal government to act accordingly.

I think many would have rather had a slow, draw down - but that would have simply extrapolated this out months and months. This is a quick resolution to get back to business as fast as possible in hopes that most abide by the rules and we come out the other side.

This may be one of those times where he finally understands that in business, you have to be prepared for the unexpected, just as us individuals do. You mitigate as much as possible, and when something that arises OUTSIDE of your mitigation efforts, hope that the Feds step in to assist.

im not trying to be devisive here. Im simply pointing out his angst is misplaced.

i lost half of my business ( compared to 2019 ) - i dont qualify for CARES act, i dont qualify for employee payroll due to $100,000 cap ( as an employee of my employer ) and i dont get to apply to the SBA for loan/grant. That doesnt bother me in that 90% will receive help. Im good. I was prepared. Do i like having to dip into my rainy day fund? not all that much, but then thats why i saved one.

But to listen to people talk about how the STATE should be responsible is simply misguided. The states are acting upon guidance from the Administration. If the Administration is NOT providing guidance, then we have a whole other set of issues. ( and i think its the latter, not the former )

I do believe the first 100k of your salary counts for the Payroll Program. I've heard my wife tell a dozen people that over the past 2 days.

I hope she's correct.

 

[dtc]

Hummmm.. Remington Arms offers Cuomo there production facility to make PPE's 10 days ago...

Remington CEO: Trump, Cuomo welcome to use Ilion facility during coronavirus crisis

Remington Arms is offering 1 million square feet of production space to the state for use in the fight against coronavirus.

www.wktv.com

So far, Cuomo has yet to take them up on their offer.

Gov. Andrew Cuomo Has Not Yet Accepted Remington's Offer to Help With PPE, Ventilators

townhall.com

Anybody but Remington Arms I guess... Politics...

That's pretty cool. It's too bad he couldn't use his people to do it or maybe this is poorly written. I don't know how Cuomo could build the devices even with the use of the space, but it should be possible for Remington to maybe do it. They sure have the ability to build precision devices.

 

[Optimus Prime]

Reporting on the White House’s herky-jerky coronavirus response, Vanity Fair’s Gabriel Sherman has a quotation from Jared Kushner that should make all Americans, and particularly all New Yorkers, dizzy with terror.

According to Sherman, when New York’s governor, Andrew Cuomo, said that the state would need 30,000 ventilators at the apex of the coronavirus outbreak, Kushner decided that Cuomo was being alarmist.

“I have all this data about I.C.U. capacity,” Kushner reportedly said. “I’m doing my own projections, and I’ve gotten a lot smarter about this. New York doesn’t need all the ventilators.” (Dr. Anthony Fauci, the country’s top expert on infectious diseases, has said he trusts Cuomo’s estimate.).........

Opinion | Putting Jared Kushner In Charge Is Utter Madness (Published 2020)

Trump’s son-in-law has no business running the coronavirus response.

www.nytimes.com

 

[N.O.Bronco]

This process of the federal government withholding stockpiles, forcing states to acquire supplies themselves, forcing prices upwards, outbidding them or confiscating their purchases, then giving them out to favored states (with private companies distributing them for profit), based around political favoritism, borders on a crime against humanity and is utterly indefensible and disgusting.