All things political. Coronavirus Edition. (15 Viewers)

[Maxp]

I fear we are really going to be in a bad place due to the obvious cuts to the federal agencies that deal with infectious disease, but also the negative effect the Affordable Care act has had on non urban hospitals. Our front line defenses are ineffectual and our ability to treat the populous is probably at an all time low. Factor in the cost of healthcare and I can see our system crashing. What do you think about the politics of this virus?

 

[DJ1BigTymer]

Weird how math works.

The flu killed an estimated 35,000 of all ages in the US last season with approximately 35,000,000 symptomatic patients.

That is a 0.1% Mortality Rate

I haven't seen anything that indicates this virus is going to get anywhere near that level of infection and the likely mortality rate is probably similar to the flu here.

WHO says coronavirus death rate is 3.4% globally, higher than previously thought

World health officials say the death rate for COVID-19 is 3.4% globally, higher than previous estimates of about 2%.

www.cnbc.com

World health officials said Tuesday the case fatality rate for COVID-19 is 3.4% globally, higher than previous estimates of about 2%.

“Globally, about 3.4% of reported COVID-19 cases have died,” WHO Director-General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus said during a press briefing at the agency’s headquarters in Geneva. In comparison, seasonal flu generally kills far fewer than 1% of those infected, he said.

The World Health Organization had said last week that the mortality rate of COVID-19 can differ, ranging from 0.7% to up to 4%, depending on the quality of the health-care system where it’s treated. Early in the outbreak, scientists had concluded the death rate was around 2.3%.

I haven't seen anything that indicates this virus is going to get anywhere near that level of infection and the likely mortality rate is probably similar to the flu here.

You haven't seen it because your eyes are closed. The infection levels are not up to flu levels yet, but it has only been approximately 4 months. If the Flu had a similar mortality rate as Covid-19, of the 35,000,000 infected 1,190,000 would have died.

 

[st dude]

I am needing to work on my corona response:





Her: Why aren't you dressed, church services are in thirty minutes?



Me: Not going today.



Her: Why?



Me: Corona, too dangerous for me to be in a group with that many people.



Her: You went to a Mardi Gras parade last week with a million people in from 60 different countries.



Me: Well I could be exposed now and I don't to endanger your church friends.



Her: Hurry up and get dressed so we are not late.



Me: (sighing) Okay.

 

[Joe Okc]

Now what were we talking about.. Oh yeah...

Candi CdeBaca cheers idea of infecting Trump rallies with coronavirus

Denver city councilwoman Candi CdeBaca was hit with calls to resign Tuesday after she showed support for a tweet floating the idea of attending Make America Great Again rallies to infect Trump supporters with the coronavirus.

m.washingtontimes.com

 

[superchuck500]

Morality isn’t going to be 3.4% in the US - but it’s substantially worse than the flu. Right now, I think one of the biggest errors we could make would be to disregard it as relatively benign. A significant percentage of infected require hospitalization - and if those numbers get too big in a given region, it can get ugly quickly, not only for Covid-19 patients but for the whole healthcare system.

If you’re too cavalier about it early on, it makes it much harder to pivot if you realize you under-appreciated the threat. The US lost valuable time by mismanaging the early response but we can keep it manageable if effective tracking, isolation, and social mitigation (where needed) are deployed.

The problem with this “it’s all the alarmist media” and insisting it’s not a big deal is that it puts people in the wrong mindset to succeed if their locality suffers a significant outbreak. You don’t have to believe it’s a big deal but at least be ready to do your part if health and emergency authorities ask you to.

 

[Maxp]

Now what were we talking about.. Oh yeah...

Candi CdeBaca cheers idea of infecting Trump rallies with coronavirus

Denver city councilwoman Candi CdeBaca was hit with calls to resign Tuesday after she showed support for a tweet floating the idea of attending Make America Great Again rallies to infect Trump supporters with the coronavirus.

m.washingtontimes.com

I thought I read Trump isn't scheduled for anymore rallies for the near future at least.

 

[Joe Okc]

I thought I read Trump isn't scheduled for anymore rallies for the near future at least.

It's just the point.. That's all...

I can "Lighten Up Francis" and I can recognize sarcasm... but it just sort of hits home in this thread..

 

[not2rich]

It's just the point.. That's all...

I can "Lighten Up Francis" and I can recognize sarcasm... but it just sort of hits home in this thread..

It was just "sarcasm," Joe. You've no doubt rationalized thousands of "sarcastic" tweets by your boy, so it's weird that this one "hits home" with you. Plus, read something besides Washington Times.

 

[Joe Okc]

It was just "sarcasm," Joe. You've no doubt rationalized thousands of "sarcastic" tweets by your boy, so it's weird that this one "hits home" with you. Plus, read something besides Washington Times.

You mean like CBS news?

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Latest breaking news from CBS Colorado.

denver.cbslocal.com

But as was discussed before.. It's just more of the "Whatever it takes to get Trump out of Office" Even if it's a Pandemic...

 

[B4YOU]

So one local council person retweets something and it’s “Democrats are hoping Coronavirus is a pandemic to remove Trump”?

This is garbage. It’s a talking point to stir outrage at the other side.

 

[BobE]

I thought I read Trump isn't scheduled for anymore rallies for the near future at least.

I don't think he can go a week

 

[Archies Ghost]

Weird how math works.



That is a 0.1% Mortality Rate

WHO says coronavirus death rate is 3.4% globally, higher than previously thought

World health officials say the death rate for COVID-19 is 3.4% globally, higher than previous estimates of about 2%.

www.cnbc.com

You haven't seen it because your eyes are closed. The infection levels are not up to flu levels yet, but it has only been approximately 4 months. If the Flu had a similar mortality rate as Covid-19, of the 35,000,000 infected 1,190,000 would have died.

It is funny how math works.

Among influenza patients requiring hospitalization, the mortality rate jumps to a number between 4 to 10% depending on several factors.

Those are numbers in the United States.

To which you are comparing Covid-19 numbers from countries not quite on par with the US in terms of medical care. Even in China, the mortality rate varies greatly, with Wuhan experiencing a much higher mortality rate than the rest of China.

This virus may or may not be worse than the average flu virus with regard to mortality.

It certainly does not rise to the level of SARS(10%), MERS (34.4 % mortality) or Ebola(65% mortality) as far as mortality rate.

It will kill more because it is more widespread but it does not seem to be Captain Trips.

Also, there is likely a huge under count of actual Covid-19 cases as most cases are mild and easily mistaken for something else.

Those uncounted cases, pointed to earlier in this thread would drive the mortality rate down, not up.

So what is different that requires this level of panic?

 

[not2rich]

So one local council person retweets something and it’s “Democrats are hoping Coronavirus is a pandemic to remove Trump”?

This is garbage. It’s a talking point to stir outrage at the other side.

But the tactic works quite well on a lot of folks on the right. Any relative nobody who is on "The Left" and says or does something dumb suddenly speaks for the entirety of "The Left."

 

[where yat brah]

the entirety of "The Left."

I believe the proper terminology is "the RADICAL left."

 

[Taurus]

[/QUOTE]

So your position is that covid 19 is so similar to other common viral infections in symptoms and mortality that it remains undetected without testing?

Exacto-freaking-ly. (Except for the lethality part)

We're finding people who died a week ago and went undetected until we tested the corpse.
When Covid19 gets bad it gives you pneumonia. When you show up in the ER, that's what they see..pneumonia. If you die, that's what goes down as cause of death: Pneumonia.

 

[reubenray]

Exacto-freaking-ly. (Except for the lethality part)

We're finding people who died a week ago and went undetected until we tested the corpse.
When Covid19 gets bad it gives you pneumonia. When you show up in the ER, that's what they see..pneumonia. If you die, that's what goes down as cause of death: Pneumonia.
[/QUOTE]

I tend to agree with this. There are to many cases that are not connected to China. I believe this has been around and it was misdiagnosed as either the flu or pneumonia. The media is not helping any.

 

[st dude]

Morality isn’t going to be 3.4% in the US - but it’s substantially worse than the flu.

Chuck, I would hope our overall morality rate in the US would be way higher than 3.4%. But that might be close these days.

I do think Trump has significantly reduced our morality rate, by how much would be hard to quantify.

 

[GMRfellowtraveller]

Chuck, I would hope our overall morality rate in the US would be way higher than 3.4%. But that might be close these days.

I do think Trump has significantly reduced our morality rate, by how much would be hard to quantify.

Seemingly somewhere between 39-41%
Since early 2017 at least

 

[st dude]

Here is a very cool article about how the virus seems to have plateaued in China as a result of some crazy aggressive plan they did which included quarantining an entire city (Wuhan) of 8 million people (Los Angeles has 4 million by comparison). And they built two hospitals in a week.

The article questions whether these procedures could ever happen in a non authoritarian society. Can you imagine trying to quarantine Los Angeles and keep people from leaving or going there?

Maybe they just slowed it down, who knows yet. They certainly have mounted a much more aggressive response than the US. And this is not me being critical of Trump, although I think his response has been weak. Its hard to know exactly how aggressive we should be.


To get at this question, the report notes that so-called fever clinics in Guangdong province screened approximately 320,000 people for COVID-19 and only found 0.14% of them to be positive. “That was really interesting, because we were hoping and maybe expecting to see a large burden of mild and asymptomatic cases,” says Caitlin Rivers, an epidemiologist at the Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security. “That piece of data suggests that’s not happening, which would imply that the case fatality risk might be more or less as we currently have.” But Guangdong province was not a heavily affected area, so it is not clear whether the same holds in Hubei province, which was the hardest hit, Rivers cautions.
Much of the report focuses on understanding how China achieved what many public health experts thought was impossible: containing the spread of a widely circulating respiratory virus. “China has rolled out perhaps the most ambitious, agile, and aggressive disease containment effort in history,” the report notes.
The most dramatic—and controversial—measure was the lockdown of Wuhan and nearby cities in Hubei province, which has put at least 50 million people under a mandatory quarantine since 23 January. That has “effectively prevented further exportation of infected individuals to the rest of the country,” the report concludes. In other regions of mainland China, people voluntarily quarantined and were monitored by appointed leaders in neighborhoods.
Chinese authorities also built two dedicated hospitals in Wuhan in just over 1 week.

Science | AAAS

www.sciencemag.org