AI In Our Lives (1 Viewer)

[Huntn]

CGI-AI:
Early CGI in movies, , I absolutely hated it‘s early implementation. Now I still believe that a real physical location has an unbeatable appeal, say James Bond in Sienna, CGI fills a nitch that has no physical alternatives and has progressed to a point where my brain starts to dismiss it has animation when people are seamlessly interwoven. Such as Morag, a dead civilization, or Xandar (Guardians of the Galaxy) state of the art CGI. I usually find myself asking, how much of this is CGI, where does the practical end and CGI start?

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A parallel argument can be made about AI. But first, I’ll repeat my concern that AI as a tool is powerfully and scary on multiple levels. There is without doubt a huge threat to jobs:

The interesting thing is that job loss/export has been going on for 50 years, by the hand of the Corporatocracy, but now that basically most jobs might be threatened, the alarm is being raised. Yes, it is a threat and an opportunity, but it’s just another iteration of technological progress where what used to be represented my human skill is replaced by technology. Society will have to find a new equilibrium, and that will have to include finding a way of supporting the masses that make up our civilization. It’s very possible it’s time to consider the Socialist Utopia.
That said…

I’ve not yet seen a character powered by AI, at least one that I am aware of. If it is “soulless”, I predict it will be just a matter of time befire it finds its soul, as the programing is greatly expanded to incorporate personality and emotions. If it can be done it will be.

 

[samiam5211]

In the long run, society will adapt.

It's never fun for the generation that lives through that though.

No one wants to live through a revolution. After it's over, the time of the revolution get's glamorized.

We love to think about the American revolution and how interesting it would have been to live then, but none of us would have wanted to live thorough the British invading our home town.

 

[Dragon]

What scares me most about AI is the fact that it can create totally credible video of something that never happened. Combined with todays Social media, Fox news and the lack of critical source evaluation abilities, it will be the perfect weapon for those who want to create an fascist regime.

 

[Huntn]

In the long run, society will adapt.

It's never fun for the generation that lives through that though.

No one wants to live through a revolution. After it's over, the time of the revolution get's glamorized.

We love to think about the American revolution and how interesting it would have been to live then, but none of us would have wanted to live thorough the British invading our home town.

The question is in what manner of adaption will arise? My position is that by virtue of automation and AI, Capitolism will be severely strained. The masses will will reach a tipping point of not being able to find meaningful employment and something has to give.

 

[samiam5211]

The question is in what manner of adaption will arise? My position is that by virtue of automation and AI, Capitolism will be severely strained. The masses will will reach a tipping point of not being able to find meaningful employment and something has to give.

Yea, i think there will be entirely new economic models developed. Communism, Socialism, and Capitalism will be irrelevant.

We will have to overcome the social idea that people need to do a hard days work to feel good about themselves.

 

[Dragon]

Yea, i think there will be entirely new economic models developed. Communism, Socialism, and Capitalism will be irrelevant.

We will have to overcome the social idea that people need to do a hard days work to feel good about themselves.

That will require a lot of mental changes - especially in the US where "your work" is your identity. I think that Covid may help the transformation - people have discovered that there are more important things than spending 60 hours at the office every week and where Universal Basic Pay is a negative topic.

Also this transformation will face serious challenges from the environment. AI solutions requires a lot of energy and a lot of hardware in our homes/offices. How to combine those needs with the major ecological tranformation and challenges we face simultaneously could prove to be extremely dangerous for the majority of the people on Earth.

If people are not needed to do the work, then I fear darker forces may find other solutions to how to distribute the diminishing ressources on Earth and not in a positive way.

 

[Taurus]

That will require a lot of mental changes - especially in the US where "your work" is your identity. I think that Covid may help the transformation - people have discovered that there are more important things than spending 60 hours at the office every week and where Universal Basic Pay is a negative topic.

Also this transformation will face serious challenges from the environment. AI solutions requires a lot of energy and a lot of hardware in our homes/offices. How to combine those needs with the major ecological tranformation and challenges we face simultaneously could prove to be extremely dangerous for the majority of the people on Earth.

If people are not needed to do the work, then I fear darker forces may find other solutions to how to distribute the diminishing ressources on Earth and not in a positive way.

Not just that. I don't trust Corporate America to teach ethics to anyone, let alone an AI that never had a childhood, never had parents and has zero evolutionary pressure toward moral behavior.
Artificial sapience is different. AS probably won't care about humans one way or the other save maybe to recognize that conflict is counterproductive.
AI should be treated like a genius sociopath. Give it a problem and it'll find an answer. That answer might just be "Kill the operator who keeps telling me to stand down and not bomb the enemy." Or "This section of the power grid is FUBAR. I'm gonna bypass it entirely. No power for Arkansas until the meat sacks fix it."

I don't trust sociopaths motivated by money to force ethics onto a much smarter sociopath motivated by programming.

 

[GrandAdmiral]

Drove in a Kia Niro EV over the weekend while visiting Connecticut. Scared the shirt out of me how accurately that thing drove itself. But that was on the highway. I can't imagine such success on city streets.

 

[Dragon]

I actually trust AI more than I trust the 2 legged creatures who define the parameters fed into it. Not by a lot but AI base its decisions on what it is taught and presented with. Like a child - If you dont teach the difference between right and wrong to a child then what kind of adult is that child going to turn into.

So somehow we will have to design and teach the AIs ethics - A modern version of the three (four) laws

 

[Taurus]

I actually trust AI more than I trust the 2 legged creatures who define the parameters fed into it. Not by a lot but AI base its decisions on what it is taught and presented with. Like a child - If you dont teach the difference between right and wrong to a child then what kind of adult is that child going to turn into.

So somehow we will have to design and teach the AIs ethics - A modern version of the three (four) laws

It's much deeper than that, though.

And I'm quite sure the suits don't realize it.

 

[samiam5211]

That will require a lot of mental changes - especially in the US where "your work" is your identity. I think that Covid may help the transformation - people have discovered that there are more important things than spending 60 hours at the office every week and where Universal Basic Pay is a negative topic.

Also this transformation will face serious challenges from the environment. AI solutions requires a lot of energy and a lot of hardware in our homes/offices. How to combine those needs with the major ecological tranformation and challenges we face simultaneously could prove to be extremely dangerous for the majority of the people on Earth.

If people are not needed to do the work, then I fear darker forces may find other solutions to how to distribute the diminishing ressources on Earth and not in a positive way.

Yea, there really isn't any way to predict what is going to happen.

It's not going to happen in one generation though. So the only think we can be sure of, is that we won't get to enjoy the best of it. Let's just hope that we get something more than just the worst of it.

As far as the mental changes go, it won't be possible for most people living today. It will be the generations that are born into that world that are able to adapt to it. Our hardwiring is already one.

 

[Dragon]

It's much deeper than that, though.

And I'm quite sure the suits don't realize it.

You are correct but it is the easiest way to describe it. AI scares the *** out of me - especially the speed that it is moving with right now and I have worked in IT in 42 years

Sentient AI should be taught ethics the same way as we teach everyone else ethics but we are definitely faced with some huge challenges. Especially due to how everything is moving into the cloud these last few years.

 

[J-DONK]

It's not all rainbows and sunshine.

https://www.axios.com/2023/07/25/ai-lawsuits-health-cigna-algorithm-payment-denial

 

[LA - L.A.]

I actually trust AI more than I trust the 2 legged creatures who define the parameters fed into it. Not by a lot but AI base its decisions on what it is taught and presented with. Like a child - If you dont teach the difference between right and wrong to a child then what kind of adult is that child going to turn into.

So somehow we will have to design and teach the AIs ethics - A modern version of the three (four) laws

Unfortunately, there is a lot of disagreement on what is ethical and what is not.

If you're referring to Asimov's 3 Laws of Robotics, a couple of years ago I heard a person on an AI panel point out that it's really not a practical safeguard, because there's always a subjective element to the interpretation of the laws, even for an AI.

 

[Taurus]

Unfortunately, there is a lot of disagreement on what is ethical and what is not.

If you're referring to Asimov's 3 Laws of Robotics, a couple of years ago I heard a person on an AI panel point out that it's really not a practical safeguard, because there's always a subjective element to the interpretation of the laws, even for an AI.

That and those laws are intended for robots. Discrete entities that exist in a physical form.

How would they apply to a fuel or electricity system?

If you supply fuel, there will be accidents, people will die.
If you don't supply fuel, other people will starve.

There's no option that satisfies the Laws. What an AI po ta do?

 

[Dragon]

That and those laws are intended for robots. Discrete entities that exist in a physical form.

How would they apply to a fuel or electricity system?

If you supply fuel, there will be accidents, people will die.
If you don't supply fuel, other people will starve.

There's no option that satisfies the Laws. What an AI po ta do?

Even though Asimov saw robots is a physical form, most of the basic laws still apply. AI is far from flawless. Also Asimov actually created 4 laws even though most only know the 3 of them

Zeroth Law,” above all the others – “A robot may not harm humanity, or, by inaction, allow humanity to come to harm.”

The issue here is how AI would define humanity and "harm"

Would AI see global warming as an existential threat to humanity and "curb" the number of people to a sustainable level to ensure the survival of the species ?

But basically it is a question of defining options. To take your example to teach the AI which of the two alternatives have priority

 

[samiam5211]

Even though Asimov saw robots is a physical form, most of the basic laws still apply. AI is far from flawless. Also Asimov actually created 4 laws even though most only know the 3 of them

Zeroth Law,” above all the others – “A robot may not harm humanity, or, by inaction, allow humanity to come to harm.”

The issue here is how AI would define humanity and "harm"

Would AI see global warming as an existential threat to humanity and "curb" the number of people to a sustainable level to ensure the survival of the species ?

But basically it is a question of defining options. To take your example to teach the AI which of the two alternatives have priority

How would AI solve the trolley problem?

People can't even agree really.

I would kill the one person and save five, but how to do train AI to make those kind of choices.

 

[Taurus]

Even though Asimov saw robots is a physical form, most of the basic laws still apply. AI is far from flawless. Also Asimov actually created 4 laws even though most only know the 3 of them

Zeroth Law,” above all the others – “A robot may not harm humanity, or, by inaction, allow humanity to come to harm.”

The issue here is how AI would define humanity and "harm"

Would AI see global warming as an existential threat to humanity and "curb" the number of people to a sustainable level to ensure the survival of the species ?

But basically it is a question of defining options. To take your example to teach the AI which of the two alternatives have priority

Yeah, but what I mean is that four Laws or four splits in a truth-tree aren't nearly enough.

It's like raising a child with no emotions or physical pain receptors who's also orders of magnitude smarter than you are. (Or at least thinks faster, with access to the entire Internet)

You have to be meticulous, thorough, patient and for the love of R. Daneel Olivaw never give it Root.