All things political. Coronavirus Edition. (2 Viewers)

Maxp · Feb 25, 2020

I fear we are really going to be in a bad place due to the obvious cuts to the federal agencies that deal with infectious disease, but also the negative effect the Affordable Care act has had on non urban hospitals. Our front line defenses are ineffectual and our ability to treat the populous is probably at an all time low. Factor in the cost of healthcare and I can see our system crashing. What do you think about the politics of this virus?

Dragon · Mar 7, 2020

To be honest as I see it the US is facing an incredible dangerous situatio

- A president and an administration who really don't take the threat seriously
- A healthcare system which due to cost will keep some people from seaking help who should (and therefore be registrered and Quarantiened) AND
- Not everyone have paid sick days which may force some to go to work even though they are sick.

The combination could end up being fatal for a lot of people

Saintamaniac · Mar 7, 2020

Dragon said:
To be honest as I see it the US is facing an incredible dangerous situatio

- A president and an administration who really don't take the threat seriously
- A healthcare system which due to cost will keep some people from seaking help who should (and therefore be registrered and Quarantiened) AND
- Not everyone have paid sick days which may force some to go to work even though they are sick.

The combination could end up being fatal for a lot of people

Don't forget about the segment of the population that believes anything that is said by this administration. Those people could be the primary spreaders of the virus.

Beach Friends · Mar 7, 2020

MT15 said:
Only for people who are totally biased. You guys reveal yourselves. You both consume slanted coverage and then internalize it. I have watched Maddow, and while I do see her bias, she doesn’t report things that are not true. She does editorialize or speculate, but always discloses when she does that.

She combs through obscure court hearings and finds some really interesting nuggets, much like the highlighter lady, plus she does a really good interview. She has her good points, but is definitely operating from her POV. I have noticed when she can gloss over or just ignore something that would embarrass a Democrat, much like highlighter lady will ignore anything embarrassing that Trump

GMRfellowtraveller said:
Just saw this
I hope your daughter is well

Thanks, she has a lot less anxiety than her dad. In fact, she doesn't seem the least bit concerned

Lapaz · Mar 7, 2020

I don’t know how the mortality rate is calculated, but it seems like it should be deaths/(previously sick and recovered). Using that equation, the death rate is about 6% per the attached website.

COVID Live - Coronavirus Statistics - Worldometer

Live statistics and coronavirus news tracking the number of confirmed cases, recovered patients, tests, and death toll due to the COVID-19 coronavirus from Wuhan, China. Coronavirus counter with new cases, deaths, and number of tests per 1 Million population. Historical data and info. Daily...

www.worldometers.info

That means it is about 60 times more lethal than typical flu viruses.

B4YOU · Mar 7, 2020

Two attendees at AIPAC in DC tested positive in NY and now DC has a positive case.

Optimus Prime · Mar 7, 2020

(CNN)The American Conservative Unionannounced on Saturday that one of the attendees at last week's Conservative Political Action Conference in National Harbor, Maryland, has tested positive for coronavirus.

President Donald Trump, Vice President Mike Pence and other administration officials attended the conference, though the ACU says the attendee did not come into contact with the president or vice president, nor did they attend events in the main hall.

The ACU said the Trump administration "is aware of the situation."........

CPAC attendee tested positive for coronavirus | CNN Politics

The American Conservative Union announced on Saturday that one of the attendees at last week’s Conservative Political Action Conference in National Harbor, Maryland, has tested positive for coronavirus.

www.cnn.com

JimEverett · Mar 7, 2020

Lapaz said:
I don’t know how the mortality rate is calculated, but it seems like it should be deaths/(previously sick and recovered). Using that equation, the death rate is about 6% per the attached website.

COVID Live - Coronavirus Statistics - Worldometer
Live statistics and coronavirus news tracking the number of confirmed cases, recovered patients, tests, and death toll due to the COVID-19 coronavirus from Wuhan, China. Coronavirus counter with new cases, deaths, and number of tests per 1 Million population. Historical data and info. Daily...
www.worldometers.info

That means it is about 60 times more lethal than typical flu viruses.

Seems like it would be hard to calculate the mortality rate of a newly identified virus just a few months after discovery and while the virus in [early] stages of spreading. Given how much we know about the flu I think there is some ability to generate a relatively accurate number of actual cases based on the number of confirmed cases in any given year. ot sure how we could have anything approaching an accurate number with Covid-19 at this point.

Archies Ghost · Mar 7, 2020

JimEverett said:
Seems like it would be hard to calculate the mortality rate of a newly identified virus just a few months after discovery and while the virus in [early] stages of spreading. Given how much we know about the flu I think there is some ability to generate a relatively accurate number of actual cases based on the number of confirmed cases in any given year. ot sure how we could have anything approaching an accurate number with Covid-19 at this point.

Everyone knows the current mortality rates are wildly inaccurate. China estimates 80% of cases are mild or asymptomatic.

Lets promote panic for ratings.

B4YOU · Mar 7, 2020

JimEverett said:
Seems like it would be hard to calculate the mortality rate of a newly identified virus just a few months after discovery and while the virus in [early] stages of spreading. Given how much we know about the flu I think there is some ability to generate a relatively accurate number of actual cases based on the number of confirmed cases in any given year. ot sure how we could have anything approaching an accurate number with Covid-19 at this point.

One chart shows 11 countries' current coronavirus death rates, based on the known number of cases and deaths

The death rate for the coronavirus varies around the world — but that's likely because some countries are testing more people than others.

www.google.com

WHO’s 3.4 is a snapshot in time.

China 3.8.
S.Korea 0.6.
US 5.6.
Japan 1.5
Italy 3.8
Studies suggest 1.4 would be global

There are a ton of factors that go into this such as average age of population, testing capacity, hospital and icu beds per person, etc. What is known is that Covid-19 is a new virus that we have no record for previous human exposure and probably less immunity than the flu.

@Archies Ghost If China’s 3.8% is reduced by an estimated 80% using an assumption that they didn’t get tested, then we get 0.7% or 7x as deadly as the flu. I don’t remember China quarantining an entire province for the flu before.

UncleTrvlingJim · Mar 7, 2020

Archies Ghost said:
Everyone knows the current mortality rates are wildly inaccurate. China estimates 80% of cases are mild or asymptomatic.

Lets promote panic for ratings.

So your working hypothesis is China shut down entire cities for ratings?

CoolBrees · Mar 7, 2020

South by Southwest Festival in Austin, TX cancelled.......for ratings?

Lapaz · Mar 7, 2020

B4YOU said:
One chart shows 11 countries' current coronavirus death rates, based on the known number of cases and deaths
The death rate for the coronavirus varies around the world — but that's likely because some countries are testing more people than others.
www.google.com

WHO’s 3.4 is a snapshot in time.
China 3.8.
S.Korea 0.6.
US 5.6.
Japan 1.5
Italy 3.8
Studies suggest 1.4 would be global
There are a ton of factors that go into this such as average age of population, testing capacity, hospital and icu beds per person, etc. What is known is that Covid-19 is a new virus that we have no record for previous human exposure and probably less immunity than the flu.

@Archies Ghost If China’s 3.8% is reduced by an estimated 80% using an assumption that they didn’t get tested, then we get 0.7% or 7x as deadly as the flu. I don’t remember China quarantining an entire province for the flu before.

The site I posted earlier stated how many people have recovered and how many have died of diagnosed cases. It indicates a 6% mortality rate. It doesn’t make sense to include people whose outcome is yet to be determined. Also, it is pure speculation about whether many people were asymptomatic. By the same token, we can speculate that some people died of Coronavirus before they could be tested. What the data shows is if you get confirmed, you have a 6% chance of dying.

Intensesaint · Mar 7, 2020

Lapaz said:
The site I posted earlier stated how many people have recovered and how many have died of diagnosed cases. It indicates a 6% mortality rate. It doesn’t make sense to include people whose outcome is yet to be determined. Also, it is pure speculation about whether many people were asymptomatic. By the same token, we can speculate that some people died of Coronavirus before they could be tested. What the data shows is if you get confirmed, you have a 6% chance of dying.

How many of the people who have died are over the age of 65?

Lapaz · Mar 7, 2020

Intensesaint said:
How many of the people who have died are over the age of 65?

Like nearly every virus, it kills the most vulnerable at a much higher rate than the healthy. The link below states that almost all of the deaths occurred to people over 50. Disturbingly however, the mortality rate is still high for younger demos. These stats suggest that this virus is worse than we're hearing.

Coronavirus Age, Sex, Demographics (COVID-19) - Worldometer

Age, sex, demographic characteristics such as pre-existing conditions, of coronavirus cases of patients infected with COVID-19 and deaths, as observed in studies on the virus outbreak originating from Wuhan, China

www.worldometers.info

Lapaz · Mar 7, 2020

B4YOU said:
One chart shows 11 countries' current coronavirus death rates, based on the known number of cases and deaths
The death rate for the coronavirus varies around the world — but that's likely because some countries are testing more people than others.
www.google.com

WHO’s 3.4 is a snapshot in time.
China 3.8.
S.Korea 0.6.
US 5.6.
Japan 1.5
Italy 3.8
Studies suggest 1.4 would be global
There are a ton of factors that go into this such as average age of population, testing capacity, hospital and icu beds per person, etc. What is known is that Covid-19 is a new virus that we have no record for previous human exposure and probably less immunity than the flu.

@Archies Ghost If China’s 3.8% is reduced by an estimated 80% using an assumption that they didn’t get tested, then we get 0.7% or 7x as deadly as the flu. I don’t remember China quarantining an entire province for the flu before.

How many of the 6593 cases confirmed in South Korea have recovered? Dividing the number of deaths by the number of confirmed cases doesn't make sense until those people have recovered, so the 0.6% mortality rate for South Korea is wrong. The equation should be confirmed cases/recovered patients. The mortality rate may not be alot higher than 0.6%, but it will be higher.

MT15 · Mar 7, 2020

Well, this is concerning:

MT15 · Mar 7, 2020

Also, this is criminally negligent:

B4YOU · Mar 7, 2020

MT15 said:
Also, this is criminally negligent:

What they did was basically not use the words “airline” or “cruise ship” and instead broadly defined conditions to avoid. They are willing to risk people’s’ live to avoid harming those industries.

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