Musk Droppings (2 Viewers)

The fundamental problem with SpaceX and to a lesser extent Tesla is not the work that the actual rocket scientists and engineers working there have done, but the structure within which it has been done and the consequences of that.

Fanboys seem to assume that if there is no SpaceX and there is no Tesla, there would be no rockets and no good electric cars, which is obviously glaringly flawed. If the billions poured into those companies had been spent elsewhere, those scientists and engineers would have been employed elsewhere and, most likely, done similar things. It's impossible to make a direct comparison against a hypothetical of course, but it's fairly safe to presume it wouldn't have been nothing.

But a consequence of how it has been done is that Musk, who has made clear beyond a doubt that he is both a very stupid and very petty man, is both the major beneficiary and the gatekeeper of a lot of that technology. That is a bad thing. Not a good thing. A bad thing.

Exactly this. I couldn’t have said it better. Musk is an extremely flawed individual who, according to more than a few accounts by people who have worked for him, has hindered their progress more than he has helped it.

He is exceedingly stupid and yet at the same time convinced he knows everything about everything. He subscribes to some eugenics type shirt which is why he keeps fathering children with various women.

Sendai, you’ve been defending some pretty awful stuff. Violations of due process, etc. Musk acting like he is the king of the US. Illegal firings, illegal conduct by his minions.

I’m curious, is there anything Musk could do that you would criticize? Or are you all in for this takeover of the US, Constitutuon be damned?

As I said, “I’m a big champion of Spacex and Tesla and their immense technological advancement.”

Sendai said:

As I said, “I’m a big champion of Spacex and Tesla and their immense technological advancement.”

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Musk is cutting corners and leaving quality behind in order to provide "new technology fast without ensuring that it actually works". When it comes to electric casrs that is already costing him dearly since several competitors are leaving Tesla behind by creating better quality, and more importantly vehicles with longer range.

If he keeps cutting corners and forcing his employees to launch before they are ready his space program will eventually cost human lives too

Dragon said:

Musk is cutting corners and leaving quality behind in order to provide "new technology fast without ensuring that it actually works". When it comes to electric casrs that is already costing him dearly since several competitors are leaving Tesla behind by creating better quality, and more importantly vehicles with longer range.

If he keeps cutting corners and forcing his employees to launch before they are ready his space program will eventually cost human lives too

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His approach with Tesla has resulted in several deaths, maybe more than several I’d have to look it up. He blatantly lies about the capability of his computer assisted driving system, and it kills people.

MT15 said:

His approach with Tesla has resulted in several deaths, maybe more than several I’d have to look it up. He blatantly lies about the capability of his computer assisted driving system, and it kills people.

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I would love for someone to point out the " their immense technological advancement.”" of Tesla.

They didn't invent anything new.

I think Sendai is confusing Tesla with Waymo.

J-DONK said:

I would love for someone to point out the " their immense technological advancement.”" of Tesla.

They didn't invent anything new.

I think Sendai is confusing Tesla with Waymo.

Uber teams up with Waymo to start selling driverless rides in Austin, Texas

Uber is shifting into a new gear in Austin, Texas where its ride-hailing service will begin dispatching self-driving cars to pick up passengers looking for a way to get around that city.

apnews.com

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“According to available information, a single Tesla Giga Press can produce roughly 0.67 to 0.75 giga casts per minute with a cycle time of around 80-90 seconds, allowing for an output rate of 40-45 completed castings per hour; translating to approximately 1,000 castings per day per Giga Press”

That’s the single piece front and rear chassis

Sendai said:

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They made one big press? That's it?

J-DONK said:

They made one big press? That's it?

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Well the fact it can make 1,000 single cast front and back chassis pieces a day is rather significant. And they have more than 1. They have them at each gigafactory.

They’ve also made big advances in the electric drive motors.

Plus they produce Megapacks that are being used to produce electricity all over the world.

Sendai said:

Well the fact it can make 1,000 single cast front and back chassis pieces a day is rather significant. And they have more than 1. They have them at each gigafactory.

They’ve also made big advances in the electric drive motors.

Plus they produce Megapacks that are being used to produce electricity all over the world.

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The speed of production matters little if quality is compromised. While the cars may have an appealing design, they suffer from significant safety and quality issues.

https://www.jalopnik.com/tesla-recalled-over-5-million-cars-last-year-more-than-1851731700/

Sendai said:

Well the fact it can make 1,000 single cast front and back chassis pieces a day is rather significant. And they have more than 1. They have them at each gigafactory.

They’ve also made big advances in the electric drive motors.

Plus they produce Megapacks that are being used to produce electricity all over the world.

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None of which has anything to do with Musk. He, personally, is a hack.

Btw, BYD and CATL are the leaders.

Sendai said:

Well the fact it can make 1,000 single cast front and back chassis pieces a day is rather significant. And they have more than 1. They have them at each gigafactory.

They’ve also made big advances in the electric drive motors.

Plus they produce Megapacks that are being used to produce electricity all over the world.

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This doesn't seem that great. Doesn't damage to frame mean the car is totaled? Am I missing something? That's a massive negative to the end user.

Again has Tesla ever done anything that qualifed as an "immense technological advancement.”

No.

FYI: If you really believe this, invest in the company. It's a bargain right now. It's lost 25% of it's value in the last month.

J-DONK said:

This doesn't seem that great. Doesn't damage to frame mean the car is totaled? Am I missing something? That's a massive negative to the end user.

Again has Tesla ever done anything that qualifed as an "immense technological advancement.”

No.

FYI: If you really believe this, invest in the company. It's a bargain right now. It's lost 25% of it's value in the last month.

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Well Tesla is widely recognized as the preeminent pioneer in the modern electric auto. I’d say that is immense technological advancement. The fact they are open source has very quickly advanced all other electric car manufacturers.

The front and back casting, if damaged are replaceable. Simply unbolt the old and bolt on the new. Two single pieces that replace 370 parts.

Here, learn something




I expect there is Tesla stock in my index funds. Which have done quite nicely for over the years.

Dragon said:

The speed of production matters little if quality is compromised. While the cars may have an appealing design, they suffer from significant safety and quality issues.

https://www.jalopnik.com/tesla-recalled-over-5-million-cars-last-year-more-than-1851731700/

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You do understand that the Tesla recalls are over the air software updates. While car sits in the driveway or garage?

Sendai said:

Well Tesla is widely recognized as the preeminent pioneer in the modern electric auto. I’d say that is immense technological advancement. The fact they are open source has very quickly advanced all other electric car manufacturers.

The front and back casting, if damaged are replaceable. Simply unbolt the old and bolt on the new. Two single pieces that replace 370 parts.

Here, learn something




I expect there is Tesla stock in my index funds. Which have done quite nicely for over the years.

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This isn't answering the question. Is the car totalled because you're replacing the entire, or half of the frame? You understand why other car manufacturers never went this route? Why this wasn't genius?

I feel like my point was extremely clear.

This seems to be a partial answer to yes.



Who is using Tesla patents? That's a bold claim.

Sendai said:

You do understand that the Tesla recalls are over the air software updates. While car sits in the driveway or garage?

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A lot of those recalls are due to serious saftety issues and are usually found after people has been involved in accidents. So how can you just dismiss them because they are "software updates" - Safety issues can kill people regardsless of what the cause of tthose issues are and in an electric car, software is the most critical system.

Bottom line:

Musk is a hack who knows nothing about government. He has been given the keys to the kingdom and it will take years to undo what the hack has done, is doing and will do.

He wants to privatize as much as possible under his control.

By Mussolini’s definition he is a fascist.