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    superchuck500 said:
    I understand that when there are failures, we look to the chief executive of the organization for accountability (a concept Trump routinely rebuffed when president) but the head of the Secret Service wasn't calling the shots at this event. This idea that is being floated that the head of the Secret Service is directly responsible for failures at the event is silly - unless there's some evidence that there were specific operational conditions imposed by the front office that led to it.

    The people that are a rushing to blame a woman (and "DEI") because a 20-year old man legally possessed a long-range military rifle and was able to shoot Donald Trump aren't making any sense - she wasn't there. She didn't play a role in the operational security plan. Trump, Biden, and others under USSS protection have these kinds of events - the director isn't involved in operational details.
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    It doesn't matter to me who gets blamed or held accountable, but most people with security backgrounds are saying huge mistakes were made with the security of Trump at the rally.

    Why wouldn't you think the head of an agency with this big of a screw up should be held accountable or fired? If not who should be blamed?
     
    coldseat said:
    That's too much non-hyperbolic logic for SFL to consider.
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    I’m seeing that idea all over the place.

    It’s crazy but not surprising that a young man gets an assault rifle and legally carries it to a place near where Trump was and then shot it . . . but to the MAGAs it’s DEI’s fault. But we can still ask why.

    Certainly there needs to be an investigation. But I strongly doubt it’s going to show some specific decision the director made specifically to endanger Trump.
     
    SaintForLife said:
    It doesn't matter to me who gets blamed or held accountable, but most people with security backgrounds are saying huge mistakes were made with the security of Trump at the rally.

    Why wouldn't you think the head of an agency with this big of a screw up should be held accountable or fired? If not who should be blamed?
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    First, I would be a rational, mature adult and fine out what happened. And yes I agree that when there are systemic failures, it is often appropriate for the head of the organization to be accountable - in fact I even said that in the very first line of my post.

    But I’m talking about the people, some of them in Congress, saying it’s her fault - that she is to be blamed. For what? What is the evidence that she is personally responsible for the failures that occurred? Why is it DEI’s fault? Same old MAGA bullshirt.
     
    these are the laws they want, get mad if police question open carry, then blame everyone else when this happens . sounds par for the course ..
     
    superchuck500 said:
    First, I would be a rational, mature adult and fine out what happened. And yes I agree that when there are systemic failures, it is often appropriate for the head of the organization to be accountable - in fact I even said that in the very first line of my post.

    But I’m talking about the people, some of them in Congress, saying it’s her fault - that she is to be blamed. For what? What is the evidence that she is personally responsible for the failures that occurred? Why is it DEI’s fault? Same old MAGA bullshirt.
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    well they really don't want to blame the local police, because if they do, then they look anti police, so it must be the Fed govt fault..
     
    superchuck500 said:
    First, I would be a rational, mature adult and fine out what happened. And yes I agree that when there are systemic failures, it is often appropriate for the head of the organization to be accountable - in fact I even said that in the very first line of my post.

    But I’m talking about the people, some of them in Congress, saying it’s her fault - that she is to be blamed. For what? What is the evidence that she is personally responsible for the failures that occurred? Why is it DEI’s fault? Same old MAGA bullshirt.
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    It's a little odd that you seem more concerned about people criticizing her or saying it was her fault than the obviously huge mistakes that were made that could have led to Trump's death had he not turned his head.
     
    SaintForLife said:
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    This would explain the misses. A rushed sniper pumping adrenaline after backing away a police officer isn't accurate. If true, then that police officer will be desk detailed until dismissed.

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    I don't know anything about USSS policies. I have however worked several NSSE events including the most recent NATO summit. I don't understand why those building were even accessible. I don't care if it was local responsibility or if the AGR was operational on the day of the event. I would think only badged employees would be able to get on that property through a secondary perimeter that blocked both roads.

    Maybe I'm spoiled with NoLA's parade barricades and seeing DC events. Maybe it's so rural that those resources aren't available. I'm just suprised there isn't at least a 500ft perimeter for an outdoor event.
     
    SamAndreas said:
    It says "AP," like I should respect that, but the nether of the two twitter posts which were intertwined there showed that simple fact to me. A link would have been so easy, too easy.

    Next! I'm done with this one.
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    That's how breaking new is usually posted on X. If you would have scrolled over to the next page in this thread you would have seen I posted the link.

     
    B4YOU said:
    This would explain the misses. A rushed sniper pumping adrenaline after backing away a police officer isn't accurate. If true, then that police officer will be desk detailed until dismissed.
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    I agree and also there were people yelling he had a gun and someone yelled his name right before he fired so that could have distracted him too.
    B4YOU said:
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    I don't know anything about USSS policies. I have however worked several NSSE events including the most recent NATO summit. I don't understand why those building were even accessible. I don't care if it was local responsibility or if the AGR was operational on the day of the event. I would think only badged employees would be able to get on that property through a secondary perimeter that blocked both roads.

    Maybe I'm spoiled with NoLA's parade barricades and seeing DC events. Maybe it's so rural that those resources aren't available. I'm just suprised there isn't at least a 500ft perimeter for an outdoor event.
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    I agree again. It wasn't a hug area with a bunch of buildings to cover. Where the shooter was definitely should have been checked out and locked down so nobody could get up there.

    Huge mistakes were made.
     
    SamAndreas said:
    It says "AP," like I should respect that, but the nether of the two twitter posts which were intertwined there showed that simple fact to me. A link would have been so easy, too easy.

    Next! I'm done with this one.
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    It's been confirmed. Below is a link. But given that the officer was hanging on the ledge to pull himself up to the roof, it sounds like he wouldn't have had access to his gun. It was also literally seconds between that encounter and the shooting.

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    During the search for the suspicious person, officers with township police discovered that the gunman was on the roof and one local officer hoisted another to get up to the ledge. The shooter turned around, saw the officer peering over and pointed his gun at him. The officer let go of the ledge to “take cover” and save his life. The gunman then started firing from the rooftop and hitting Trump.
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    www.cnn.com

    Live updates: Trump survives assassination attempt | CNN Politics

    Former President Donald Trump survived an assassination attempt at his rally Saturday. The shooting left at least one attendee dead. Follow for live news updates.
    www.cnn.com www.cnn.com
     
    SaintForLife said:
    It's a little odd that you seem more concerned about people criticizing her or saying it was her fault than the obviously huge mistakes that were made that could have led to Trump's death had he not turned his head.
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    That is a ridiculous statement, even for you. Your inability to understand my point doesn’t make it odd.
     
    Bigdaddysaints said:
    SFL, do you think it's possible this guy did it for non Political reasons? the guy who shot Reagan did not do it for any political reasons. sometimes people are crazy disturbed mentally ill, whatever you want to call it..
    do you think it's possible, or are you gonna hang on to the "he donated to a liberal PAC" as for your sole source of political motivation?
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    Of course its possible it was done for non political reasons.

    I was referencing the liberal PAC he donated to when the usual suspects here wanted to make this guy out to be a Republican probably to distract from all the Trump is Hitler and he will end democracy rhetoric from Democrats and the media.
     
    This was timely...

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    Pennsylvania’s Gun Laws Need Fixing

    Pennsylvania’s gun laws need fixing. No, they’re not “too lax,” and they don’t allow violent criminals to easily buy guns through legitimate channels, as many gun control activists wrongly claim. Rather, the state’s gun laws allow for gross injustices against peaceable gun owners—injustices that...
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    "Pennsylvania’s gun laws need fixing.

    No, they’re not “too lax,” and they don’t allow violent criminals to easily buy guns through legitimate channels, as many gun control activists wrongly claim.

    Rather, the state’s gun laws allow for gross injustices against peaceable gun owners—injustices that undermine public safety, rather than promote it."
     
    SaintForLife said:
    Of course its possible it was done for non political reasons.

    I was referencing the liberal PAC he donated to when the usual suspects here wanted to make this guy out to be a Republican probably to distract from all the Trump is Hitler and he will end democracy rhetoric from Democrats and the media.
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    The only thing left leaning about that kid was his aim.
     
    superchuck500 said:
    That is a ridiculous statement, even for you. Your inability to understand my point doesn’t make it odd.
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    I understand your point. I said it seemed like that because you didn't say anything about how big of a failure the security there was.
     
    coldseat said:
    That was the oddest thing when clip of his assassination attempt first came out. I don't know if that's why he was so worried about his shoes, but how is that the first thing on your mind in that situation? As with all things Trump it's so odd.
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    There's an alternate explanation. But you have to be as old as me to know about it. Here:

     

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