President Kamala Harris? (1 Viewer)

Biden won the primary. Trumps team is ready to file suit if anyone not already registered is running. So it is obvious while they are stoking the flames. The resulting chaos (and remember the MAGA supreme court) could hand Trump the presidency on a plate.

As of early December 2023, the filing deadlines for presidential candidates have passed in several states. Specifically, deadlines have already passed in 13 states and Washington D.C. for at least one of the major party presidential nominating contests. Deadlines in nine more states are approaching within the next two weeks. States like Alabama and Arkansas had their deadlines in November, with others such as Michigan, Arizona, Colorado, and Texas having deadlines in early to mid-December (Ballotpedia).

Therefore, a person who is not currently registered as a candidate would need to act swiftly to meet the upcoming deadlines and would have already missed the opportunity to register in some states.

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efil4 said:

ive said before Newsom would be ideal. But that was months ago.

But with only months to go, do you supplant with someone relatively unknown to many, or someone who carries name recognition, having spent last 4 years as VP?

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She out-polls Newsom by 4 in the first poll and breaks even in the second poll. The better question is who shines brightest when they finally get the spot light? I think Americans generally give women in leadership less grace and view them as weaker. I also think this is a tough year for incumbents, see France and UK. I only care about elect-ability and I think Newsom could sell himself in 4 months and 1 debate. However, Dems appear to be ride or/and *** with Biden so.....

Dragon said:

Biden won the primary. Trumps team is ready to file suit if anyone not already registered is running. So it is obvious while they are stoking the flames. The resulting chaos (and remember the MAGA supreme court) could hand Trump the presidency on a plate.

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IF Biden voluntarily steps down and asks his delegates to support Harris, doesn't that prevent any legal challenge from being successful?

SteveSBrickNJ said:

IF Biden voluntarily steps down and asks his delegates to support Harris, doesn't that prevent any legal challenge from being successful?

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Not if she is not registered AFAIK - and it would definitely make it impossible for anyone else to step in

Dragon said:

Not if she is not registered AFAIK - and it would definitely make it impossible for anyone else to step in

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So I can't argue. I am clueless about this legal argument of yours. Anyone else can confirm or debate on Dragon's point?

Dragon said:

Biden won the primary. Trumps team is ready to file suit if anyone not already registered is running. So it is obvious while they are stoking the flames. The resulting chaos (and remember the MAGA supreme court) could hand Trump the presidency on a plate.

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Those dates have to be to run for the primary. I'm pretty sure none of that matters. The parties used to select the candidate at the convention. I'm pretty sure most of the legal framework is still setup so the party files paperwork after the convention. It's why the Ohio thing was such a big deal.

J-DONK said:

Sam? Did Sam not say it was Biden or nothing for him?

In fact, I'm pretty sure he said it multiple times.

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No, I don’t believe he did. In fact, I remember him saying he really likes Harris and wants her to be President. He would vote for Harris in a minute. He’s from CA and said he has always liked her.

I think everyone here except Trump voters will vote for whoever the democratic candidate is and have said so, some of us repeatedly. Or samiam - I’m not sure he would vote for any democratic candidate, but I don’t know, just a guess.

I am also if the opinion that Harris could trounce Trump. Hilary was a terrible candidate. Those that won't vote for Harris because she is dark skinned or a woman are mostly already voting for Trump.

Dragon said:

Biden won the primary. Trumps team is ready to file suit if anyone not already registered is running. So it is obvious while they are stoking the flames. The resulting chaos (and remember the MAGA supreme court) could hand Trump the presidency on a plate.

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I don't know the answer to this question. Perhaps you do.

What would happen if Biden resigned from the Presidency and Harris became President?

SteveSBrickNJ said:

Maybe a month ago they would've voted for him...but now they know better.

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We all know that's your opinion.

not2rich said:

I don't know the answer to this question. Perhaps you do.

What would happen if Biden resigned from the Presidency and Harris became President?

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I don’t think that has any effect on the campaign, but I could be wrong. I mean she would be sworn in as President, of course.

The primaries are over, a done deal. We would have to know what the DNC has in place for that situation. It seems like Biden could release his delegates but I don’t know if he can direct them to vote for Harris.

J-DONK said:

I really think he is near the basement of a Democratic candidate. I truly believe it will only go up with Kamala.

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We all know that's your opinion.

J-DONK said:

Sam? Did Sam not say it was Biden or nothing for him?

In fact, I'm pretty sure he said it multiple times.

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J-DONK said:

People on this board claim to be Biden or bust

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One is person, not people, so name someone else besides @SamAndreas.

And nope, I've never said anything remotely close to Biden or Bust.

SteveSBrickNJ said:

IF Biden voluntarily steps down and asks his delegates to support Harris, doesn't that prevent any legal challenge from being successful?

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No, it doesn't.

SteveSBrickNJ said:

So I can't argue. I am clueless about this legal argument of yours. Anyone else can confirm or debate on Dragon's point?

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She's absolutely right, about what happens once a deadline is missed and the deadlines are quickly approaching.

And there's also this:

Both state law and party rules govern how a delegate must vote at the national convention, including whether a delegate remains bound to a withdrawn candidate and for how many rounds a delegate remains bound to a candidate.[6]

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The Democratic party does not have total control over what delegates can and can't do.

Some states do not allow delegates to vote for anyone other than who won the primary in that state. So some of the delegates have to vote for Biden, regardless of if Biden says he "releases" them. That alone could prevent any replacement candidate from getting enough delegates to secure the nomination. Even worse, it could create a deadlock leaving the Democratic party with no nominee at all as the deadlines to register with states are missed.

When a deadline to register with a state is missed, it's not even a question of legal challenges from opponents. In the states that the deadline has been missed, the states themselves are not going to allow anyone other than Biden Harris on the ballot.

Any Democrat that secures the nomination after a state's deadline could sue the state to get on the ballot, but they are not going to win that suit, so they're not going to get on the ballot.

The replacement could ask people to do a write in vote. Good luck trying to win an election that way.

That's one of the many reasons a replacement is not a good idea, because they won't even be on the ballot in a lot of states, which means they have no chance at all of winning that state.

This has been pointed out before, but completely ignored by all of the people cooking up all these fantasies about how Biden can be replaced this late into the process and the replacement would have a better chance of winning.

It's a fevered fantasy and it's always been a fevered fantasy. I know people won't let go of that fevered fantasy, because people chasing fevered fantasies rarely stop chasing them, no matter what the reality of the situation is.

J-DONK said:

Sam? Did Sam not say it was Biden or nothing for him?

In fact, I'm pretty sure he said it multiple times.

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No, nuance, i said I think biden ought to stay. I said I voted for him, and now I demand that those valid election results should be honored

And I also said Harris was my first pick back in 2020, then I got both of them. I've also said several times in the debate thread that if biden does withdraw I sure would like to see Harris win. With such strong statements, I don't remember if I actually said I would vote for her, if I didn't it was because I'd already said enough that anyone would know that I will happily vote for Harris.

I'm mad at the people trying to push him out, they're trying to undermine my vote. I like Harris a lot.

Way back in 2010, 14 years ago, I declared that Harris would become President someday.

In 2004 after his convention speech I said the same about Obama.

In 2004 I also said I sure hope Gavin Newsom doesn't ever become President. I held my nose to vote for him as Governor later.

He's been OK on policy, it's that having him as President would be a case of being lead by a man who is lead by his Dick Tracy. We've already had Bill Clinton afterall. Once through that is enough.

SamAndreas said:

No, nuance, i said I think biden ought to stay. I said I voted for him, and now I demand that those valid election results should be honored

And I also said Harris was my first pick back in 2020, then I got both of them. I've also said several times in the debate thread that if biden does withdraw I sure would like to see Harris win. With such strong statements, I don't remember if I actually said I would vote for her, if I didn't it was because I'd already said enough that anyone would know that I will happily vote for Harris.

I'm mad at the people trying to push him out, they're trying to undermine my vote. I like Harris a lot.

Way back in 2010, 14 years ago, I declared that Harris would become President someday.

In 2004 after his convention speech I said the same about Obama.

In 2004 I also said I sure hope Gavin Newsom doesn't ever become President. I held my nose to vote for him as Governor later.

He's been OK on policy, it's that having him as President would be a case of being lead by a man who is lead by his Dick Tracy. We've already had Bill Clinton afterall. Once through that is enough.

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That's what I thought you were clearly saying and that the whole "Biden or Bust" claim was a misrepresentation of what you actually said. The Biden has to go crowd has been doing a lot of misrepresenting lately.

J-DONK said:

Those dates have to be to run for the primary. I'm pretty sure none of that matters.

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What matters is that some states have laws in place that prevent the delegates from their state from voting for anyone other than the winner of the primary in that state for a designated number of votes, even if that candidate has withdrawn from the race.

You want the Democratic party to look as foolish and inept at choosing their presidential candidate as the House Republicans have looked in choosing and keeping their Speaker of the House?

Because trying to replace Biden at the convention is going to look and turn out as foolish and inept as the House Republicans with not nearly enough time to rehabilitate their reputation.

Nominee elections are not a first past the post election. A candidate has to secure a specific number of votes to win a nomination.

To win the Democratic nomination, a presidential candidate needs to receive support from a majority of the pledged delegates on the first ballot: an estimated 1,968 pledged delegates.

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That's around 42% of the delegates. A lot of those delegates are legally bound by state law and a lot of the others are going to vote for Biden out of respect for the will of the voters.

Even if Biden withdraws, it's possible that he still wins the nomination. What then?

If Biden doesn't win, it's possible that the convention could end without any candidate securing enough delegate votes to win the nomination, so the Democrats would leave the convention without a nominee. What then?

If you say to yourself, self, the delegates will be in harmony and they won't divide into multiple factions digging their heels in for different candidates, then you are choosing to be willfully ignorant of the political realities of the situation.