As a politician how can I be okay with helping bad victims and not just good victims? (1 Viewer)

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    NightHawkBuzz

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    I want to become a politician and I know I have to serve everyone. However I am having an issue doing that and I was wondering how I can fix that.

    A bad victim to me would be someone that intentionally mistreats others with there words and verbally abuses them or physically abuses them. Also, a bad victim to me would be someone who was going to become a bad person. Someone who was going to grow up to be a bad person in life.

    How can I help these controlling jealous boyfriends and verbally abusive people as well as criminals when they become the victims of crimes just like other good victims?

    Also, a jealous boyfriend who displays jealous, controlling, psycho behaviors when he is at the bar with his girlfriend. Like if any guy even gets near her or he sees her talking to them he gets very controlling and confrontational. This guy actually comes close to or is ready to fight with people who get near his girlfriend or talk to her. This guy is starting a fight or is willing to start one because he is controlling over his girlfriend.

    I have personally met a couple of bad men like this in bars who have tried to or were looking to start fights with me over their girlfriends. Also, verbally abusive people at the bad high school I went to. I would consider these people as bad victims for sure and I wouldn’t feel as successful helping them.

    Now if these jealous boyfriends who start fights with men at the bar and these verbally abusive people were in a different situation and became the victims of a major crime like a mass shooting, terrorist attack, etc. How am I suppose to help these people successfully like I would other good victims?

    Even though they didn’t deserve to have what happened to them I still would consider them bad victims because of their past behavior. I wouldn’t feel successful helping them as I would people that were actually good victims.

    Also, bad victims would also be murders, rapist, robbers and terrorist to me as well. I wouldn’t feel as successful helping these people as good victims to.

    How can I help these controlling jealous boyfriends and verbally abusive people as well as criminals when they become the victims of crimes just like other good victims?
     
    NightHawkBuzz said:
    They help the victims receive proper justice by advocating for the death penalty. Yes politicians can ask that the death penalty be reinstated for certain crimes if they feel that it should be. It's not the key reason I want to enter politics but it is a reason that I do want to go into politics.

    Politicans do influence whether the death penalty applies to a crime that has happened because they can ask the supreme court to reinstate the death penalty or to go forward with executions that have happened. Some examples are below.

    1. Biden asked the supreme court to reinstate the death penalty for the Boston Bomber
    2. Trump brought back federal death executions under his administration and asked the supreme court to let him execute five people before he left office and he did.
    3. Desantis advocated that the death penalty laws change after the Parkland shooter killed 17 people and didn't get the death penalty he only got life in prison. The death penalty ended up being changed as well.
    5. Desantis signed multiple death warrants for people to be killed for the crimes they have committed.
    6. Trump said the NYC terrorist suspect who killed 8 people should receive the death penalty for his crimes.

    So these are how politicians deal with the death penalty. These are situations where I do not fully trust my judgement for the death penalty because I don't have all the facts that I would like in these situations.

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    1. That didn't happen. Biden's DOJ filed a brief about it, based on interpretation of existing law, and noted that the president didn't agree with the death penalty.
    2. Trump did order the federal death penalty executions to resume (they had been ordered under existing federal law, just not carried out) and actually executed 13 people, the most of any president in 120 years of the federal death penalty.
    3. DeSantis advocated for that change in law as did others, the Florida legislature passed it, and he signed it. It had no impact on the Parkland shooter.
    4. You skipped 4.
    5. Those sentences were handed down under existing Florida law, but yes, the governor has to sign the warrant.
    6. A politician saying things isn't the same as things actually happening.

    So yes, in a few very limited situations, chief executives (governors and presidents) do have some discretion in ordering how the death penalty is carried out. They cannot on their own impose a death penalty, but they can either hold up executions or allow/encourage them to be completed when sentenced under existing law.
     
    superchuck500 said:
    What are your "40" other, less conflicted positions?
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    1. Climate Change
    2. Abortion
    3. Immigration
    4. Border Security
    5. Taxes

    There are 35 more. But what I am saying is that this one area is my only weakness that I want to solve before I go into politics. In all those situations I gave you I have a strong opinion that those crimes should receive the death penalty. However I can't fully trust my judgement in these situations.

    How can I just be okay trusting my judgment?
     
    NightHawkBuzz said:
    1. Climate Change
    2. Abortion
    3. Immigration
    4. Border Security
    5. Taxes

    There are 35 more. But what I am saying is that this one area is my only weakness that I want to solve before I go into politics. In all those situations I gave you I have a strong opinion that those crimes should receive the death penalty. However I can't fully trust my judgement in these situations.

    How can I just be okay trusting my judgment?
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    lol

    Good luck to you.
     
    NightHawkBuzz said:
    1. Climate Change
    2. Abortion
    3. Immigration
    4. Border Security
    5. Taxes

    There are 35 more. But what I am saying is that this one area is my only weakness that I want to solve before I go into politics. In all those situations I gave you I have a strong opinion that those crimes should receive the death penalty. However I can't fully trust my judgement in these situations.

    How can I just be okay trusting my judgment?
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    Those aren’t positions - all you did is list major issues. The ask was for your positions.
     
    Seems like a budding politician would want to expound on his positions. 🤷🏼‍♀️
     
    MT15 said:
    Seems like a budding politician would want to expound on his positions. 🤷🏼‍♀️
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    Don’t worry, he’s completely at ease with all 40 of the positions - he’s good to go, it’s just this nagging question of the unvirtuous victim in capital murder cases that compels him to mistrust the same “judgment” that supports the other 40 positions without a shred of doubt.
     
    MT15 said:
    Seems like a budding politician would want to expound on his positions. 🤷🏼‍♀️
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    superchuck500 said:
    Don’t worry, he’s completely at ease with all 40 of the positions - he’s good to go, it’s just this nagging question of the unvirtuous victim in capital murder cases that compels him to mistrust the same “judgment” that supports the other 40 positions without a shred of doubt.
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    The most logical conclusion is that:
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    superchuck500 said:
    There are 35 more :)
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    That seems like a way to get sidetrack from the real issue here though. I want to figure out the problem that I am having with this one issue though. If you can actually solve that problem for me and give me a real solution that I feel fine with then I will give you my 35 others with my positions.

    However until then I want a solution on this problem that I feel okay with before I go into all the others.
     
    NightHawkBuzz said:
    That seems like a way to get sidetrack from the real issue here though. I want to figure out the problem that I am having with this one issue though. If you can actually solve that problem for me and give me a real solution that I feel fine with then I will give you my 35 others with my positions.

    However until then I want a solution on this problem that I feel okay with before I go into all the others.
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    We've given you as close of a solution as we can . . . but this is very much a "you" thing. You're gonna have to figure this one out for yourself. Certainly a competent political leader can navigate this. If you can come to a solid, unwavering position on questions like abortion, welfare, use-of-force, physician-assisted suicide, etc., you can certainly come to a tenable position on the death penalty as it relates to victims who you consider bad people.

    We're rooting for you, let us know how it turns out.
     
    Yeah they are going to have a hard time solving moral issues.

    Mainly because they don't seem to understand that we don't have laws for morality. We have laws to protect property. Same with police.

    Perhaps a nation state with autocratic tendencies might be more to your liking.
     
    NightHawkBuzz said:
    That seems like a way to get sidetrack from the real issue here though. I want to figure out the problem that I am having with this one issue though. If you can actually solve that problem for me and give me a real solution that I feel fine with then I will give you my 35 others with my positions.

    However until then I want a solution on this problem that I feel okay with before I go into all the others.
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    To understand how one could solve this problem, one needs to learn the reasoning behind its ease to dehumanize "bad victims" or labeling those that exhibit abhorrent behavior as "ghetto/animalistic". Once one learns those things, the solution will easily present itself; a victim is just that, a victim!
     
    superchuck500 said:
    We've given you as close of a solution as we can . . . but this is very much a "you" thing. You're gonna have to figure this one out for yourself. Certainly a competent political leader can navigate this. If you can come to a solid, unwavering position on questions like abortion, welfare, use-of-force, physician-assisted suicide, etc., you can certainly come to a tenable position on the death penalty as it relates to victims who you consider bad people.

    We're rooting for you, let us know how it turns out.
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    Okay that makes sense yeah I will take the advice that I have gotten here and look at this on my own and figure this one out myself like you said.
     

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