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    Thought it would be good to have a place to discuss all the drama on Capitol Hill and whether Democrats will get any of this signed. Given that Republican have abandoned any responsibility of doing anything for the good of country it's on Dems to fund the government and raise the debt ceiling. But as with the reconciliation bill, moderates are opposing this.

    I'm really trying hard to understand why Manchin and Sinema are making the reconciliation bill process so difficult and how they think that benefits them? As far as I can see, all it's doing is raising the ire of the majority of democrats towards them. It's been well known for a long time now that both the Infrastructure bill and reconciliation bill were tied together. They worked so hard to get and "Bipartisan" Infrastructure bill together (because it was oh so important to them to work together) and passed in the Senate, but now want to slow drag and bulk on the reconciliation bill (by not being able to negotiate with members of their own party)? There by, Putting both bills passage at risk and tanking both the Biden agenda and any hope of winning Congress in 2022? Make it make sense!

    I suspect they'll get it done in the end because the implication of failure are really bad. But why make it so dysfunctional?

    The drama and diplomacy are set to intensify over the next 24 hours, as House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) scrambles to keep her fractious, narrow majority intact and send the first of two major economic initiatives to Biden’s desk. In a sign of the stakes, the president even canceled a planned Wednesday trip to Chicago so that he could stay in Washington and attempt to spare his agenda from collapse.
    Democrats generally support the infrastructure package, which proposes major new investments in the country’s aging roads, bridges, pipes, ports and Internet connections. But the bill has become a critical political bargaining chip for liberal-leaning lawmakers, who have threatened to scuttle it to preserve the breadth of a second, roughly $3.5 trillion economic package.
    What is in and out of the bipartisan infrastructure bill?
    That latter proposal aims to expand Medicare, invest new sums to combat climate change, offer free prekindergarten and community college to all students and extend new aid to low-income families — all financed through taxes increases on wealthy Americans and corporations. Liberals fear it is likely to be slashed in scope dramatically by moderates, including Sens. Kyrsten Sinema (D-Ariz.) and Joe Manchin III (D-W.Va.), unless they hold up the infrastructure package the duo helped negotiate — leading to the stalemate that plagues the party on the eve of the House vote.
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    GrandAdmiral said:
    Yeah. I would be shocked if she doesn't sank it this time. She and Manchin seem to go back and forth.
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    I wouldn't be shocked if she does.. but I also think she's in a bit of a different position politically than Manchin in WV and now that it would solely be her sinking this bill.. I think there's a pretty obvious and direct line to be drawn from that that can readily be seen and ends in her being primaried.
     
    bdb13 said:
    I wouldn't be shocked if she does.. but I also think she's in a bit of a different position politically than Manchin in WV and now that it would solely be her sinking this bill.. I think there's a pretty obvious and direct line to be drawn from that that can readily be seen and ends in her being primaried.
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    No doubt, I would be glad if I'm wrong.
     
    I'm putting this here because it's infrastructure.

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    ^^^This happened 5 years ago. I suggest we update this country and do it now, please.
     
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    Sen. Kyrsten Sinema (D-Ariz.) announced Thursday evening that she has reached a deal with Senate Majority Leader Charles Schumer (D-N.Y.) that could pave the way for Democrats to pass their budget reconciliation package.

    The deal would remove a provision closing the so-called carried interest loophole from the package announced last week by Schumer and Sen. Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.).

    Sinema said she and Schumer have also reached agreement on protecting manufacturing from the impact of a proposed 15 percent corporate minimum tax, which business leaders in Arizona warned would dampen economic growth.

    The announcement paves the way for Sinema to vote Saturday for a motion to proceed to budget reconciliation package that would reform the tax code, tackle climate change, reduce the cost of prescription drugs and shrink the federal deficit.
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    thehill.com

    Sinema announces deal with Schumer on taxes and climate

    Sen. Kyrsten Sinema (D-Ariz.) announced Thursday evening that she has reached a deal with Senate Majority Leader Charles Schumer (D-N.Y.) that could pave the way for Democrats to pass their budget …
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    So the job numbers were twice as good as economists expected.. feeding into my theory that we're about to just power through this and not really experience a recession, but I don't really know shirt so I could be wrong..

    But sure seems like.. with gas prices and food prices falling, combined with the Supreme Court's abortion decision and the Trumpy Republicans who have won primaries, and the fact that the Democrats seem like they're about to finally pass their bill.. it feels to me that the atmosphere is really improving for Democrats heading into the midterms.

    Edit: Ha, someone's hitting on the same wavelength at the same time as me here:
    Several things have happened in the last few weeks that suggest Democrats may be in a much better position than history would portend.

    The latest happened this week in Kansas with voters rejecting an amendment that would have removed abortion rights protections from their State Constitution. Importantly for Democrats, voter turnout on this referendum blew all expectations out of the water. Nearly 1 million Kansans voted in the primary elections. That’s more in line with voter turnout typically seen in a general election.
    ...
    But what about the economy, gas prices and inflation, which continue to be top issues of concern for voters? Things may be getting better on that front too.

    The economy’s fundamentals continue to be strong as employment is still at historic highs. According to new numbers released Friday, the unemployment rate has dropped to 3.5 percent, a half-century low.

    The recent contraction of the economy was not welcome news, but many economists say that the robust labor market is keeping recession at bay. But what really is boosting Democratic moods is the breakthrough Inflation Reduction Act, which promises to reduce inflation, increase health care affordability and help fight the climate crisis. If this bill passes with only Democratic support and voters start to feel some easing of the pressure on their pocketbooks, they will give Democrats credit for doing something.
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    https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/3589838-as-momentum-shifts-can-democrats-defy-history/
     
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    MT15 said:
    This had to get 60 votes to stay in for some reason:
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    there is more info here. It is really complicated, and I sill don't understand most of it lol... but seems like it will be $35 for some people:

    thehill.com

    Democrats fail to overrule parliamentarian on insulin price cap as GOP votes no

    Senate Democrats fell short of an effort Sunday to overrule a decision by the parliamentarian that effectively struck down a proposal sponsored by Sen. Raphael Warnock (D-Ga.) to cap out-of-pocket …
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    "Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.), the ranking member of the Budget Committee, sought to enforce the parliamentarian’s ruling that Warnock’s cap on insulin prices violated the Byrd Rule because it would set prices in the commercial market and therefore couldn’t pass with a simple majority vote."

    (but then)

    "Democrats won a partial victory, however, because the parliamentarian allowed Warnock’s $35 insulin cap to apply to Medicare beneficiaries, which could influence prices in the private market. "
     
    Joni Ernst- another hypocrite who complained about high insulin prices and then voted to keep them high.

     
    Why has insulin gotten so expensive? Apparently there are only the companies making it: Eli Lilly, Novo Nordisk and Sanofi.

    When Biden's DOJ is finished with the Trump monkey trial and not prosecuting Hunter for his grift, maybe they'll have some free time to go after them for collusion and price fixing. And in the meantime, Biden could sign an EO tomorrow to reduce the regulatory red tape that prevents anyone else from getting in the market. Insulin is not a patented medication.

    But that might actually help the problem. The Dems want a campaign issue, not a solution!
     
    Or at the very least, they could tack on another hundred billion or whatever it would cost to the porkulus bill to subsidize the cost of insulin and avoid the Byrd rule altogether.
     
    MT15 said:
    Joni Ernst- another hypocrite who complained about high insulin prices and then voted to keep them high.

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    These Republicans really don’t care for facts anymore. Their base obviously eat this garbage up.

     

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