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    Very sobering article
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    If you know people still in denial about the crisis of American democracy, kindly remove their heads from the sand long enough to receive this message: A startling new finding by one of the nation’s top authorities on foreign civil wars says we are on the cusp of our own.

    Barbara F. Walter, a political science professorat the University of California at San Diego, serves on a CIA advisory panel called the Political Instability Task Force that monitors countries around the world and predicts which of them are most at risk of deteriorating into violence.

    By law, the task force can’t assess what’s happening within the United States, but Walter, a longtime friend who has spent her career studying conflicts in Syria, Lebanon, Northern Ireland, Sri Lanka, the Philippines, Rwanda, Angola, Nicaragua and elsewhere, applied the predictive techniques herself to this country.

    Her bottom line: “We are closer to civil war than any of us would like to believe.” She lays out the argument in detail in her must-read book, “How Civil Wars Start,” out in January. “No one wants to believe that their beloved democracy is in decline, or headed toward war,” she writes.

    But, “if you were an analyst in a foreign country looking at events in America — the same way you’d look at events in Ukraine or the Ivory Coast or Venezuela — you would go down a checklist, assessing each of the conditions that make civil war likely.

    And what you would find is that the United States, a democracy founded more than two centuries ago, has entered very dangerous territory.”

    Indeed, the United States has already gone through what the CIA identifies as the first two phases of insurgency — the “pre-insurgency” and “incipient conflict” phases — and only time will tell whether the final phase, “open insurgency,” began with the sacking of the Capitol by Donald Trump supporters on Jan. 6.

    Things deteriorated so dramatically under Trump, in fact, that the United States no longer technically qualifies as a democracy. Citing the Center for Systemic Peace’s “Polity” data set — the one the CIA task force has found to be most helpful in predicting instability and violence — Walter writes that the United States is now an “anocracy,” somewhere between a democracy and an autocratic state.

    U.S. democracy had received the Polity index’s top score of 10, or close to it, for much of its history. But in the five years of the Trump era, it tumbled precipitously into the anocracy zone; by the end of his presidency, the U.S. score had fallen to a 5, making the country a partial democracy for the first time since 1800.

    “We are no longer the world’s oldest continuous democracy,” Walter writes. “That honor is now held by Switzerland, followed by New Zealand, and then Canada. We are no longer a peer to nations like Canada, Costa Rica, and Japan, which are all rated a +10 on the Polity index.”…….

    Others have reached similar findings. The Stockholm-based International Institute for Democracy and Electoral Assistance put the United States on a list of “backsliding democracies” in a report last month.

    “The United States, the bastion of global democracy, fell victim to authoritarian tendencies itself," the report said.

    And a new survey by the academic consortium Bright Line Watch found that 17 percent of those who identify strongly as Republicans support the use of violence to restore Trump to power, and 39 percent favor doing everything possible to prevent Democrats from governing effectively……



     
    That is a discussion to had, but when the first argument is 'voter suppression' that is disingenuous and also makes it a 'us against them' issue.
    It is an "us against them" issue. It's those that want to make voting available and as easy as possible to do for everyone, "us", against those who want to make it as hard as possible for those who don't support what we believe or who look like us to vote, "them".

    Closing voting locations or limiting voting locations to 1 place per district in some locations but not others is another voter suppression method. It's the same practice that has been done in Republican controlled states for years. They did the same thing with abortion.

    How about we put in some rules that limit the state to only one location where you can go and worship? Or, how about we make it that the only place you can go and buy a gun is at the state capitol, would that be okay? If you don't think that would be okay then why do you think it's okay to do it with a person's right to vote?
     
    Apparently it's okay that buying a gun is easier than registering to vote and actually voting.
    LOL. Have you bought a gun lately?
    But your right, Republicans want death and guns on every corner with no vote. evil, right?
     
    It is an "us against them" issue. It's those that want to make voting available and as easy as possible to do for everyone, "us", against those who want to make it as hard as possible for those who don't support what we believe or who look like us to vote, "them".

    Closing voting locations or limiting voting locations to 1 place per district in some locations but not others is another voter suppression method. It's the same practice that has been done in Republican controlled states for years. They did the same thing with abortion.

    How about we put in some rules that limit the state to only one location where you can go and worship? Or, how about we make it that the only place you can go and buy a gun is at the state capitol, would that be okay? If you don't think that would be okay then why do you think it's okay to do it with a person's right to vote?
    Where is one of these places that has only place to vote per district and where there other locations and if so, why where they closed?
    They had to have given a reason, what is it?
     
    LOL. Have you bought a gun lately?
    But your right, Republicans want death and guns on every corner with no vote. evil, right?
    Well, I wouldn't say that Republicans are evil. I would say that they don't understand that personal freedoms and societal obligations need to work hand in hand.
     
    Well, I wouldn't say that Republicans are evil. I would say that they don't understand that personal freedoms and societal obligations need to work hand in hand.
    To you, what comes first? Societal obligation or personal freedoms?
    Interesting thought.
    I would bet, years ago, like 10, dems wanted personal freedom and reps wanted society obligations. I bet that has completely flipped.
    Thank God the democrats cannot govern.
     
    Honestly, drag shows aren't for kids unless they're specifically tailored for that audience, and even then. But you have to love the hypocrisy from the right, because this isn't sexualizing kids.

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    To you, what comes first? Societal obligation or personal freedoms?
    Interesting thought.
    I would bet, years ago, like 10, dems wanted personal freedom and reps wanted society obligations. I bet that has completely flipped.
    Thank God the democrats cannot govern.
    The Constitution comes first and within that framework decisions have to be made regarding how you balance it all; for instance, the right to free speech and how that intersects and has its limits with defamation and threatening language.
     
    Honestly, drag shows aren't for kids unless they're specifically tailored for that audience, and even then. But you have to love the hypocrisy from the right, because this isn't sexualizing kids.

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    Cool, do hooters waitresses dip and grind, do you tip them by putting dollar bills in their waste band? Do they encourage children to dance and grind and also receive tips? Do we see a lot of field trips to hooters? No. What about having hooters come and put on a 'wing show' for the kids in the school? No? So, it is really nothing like that at all is it.
     
    The Constitution comes first and within that framework decisions have to be made regarding how you balance it all; for instance, the right to free speech and how that intersects and has its limits with defamation and threatening language.
    I like that answer. I will allow it.
    I also like how you used 'threatening' language. Good word choice.
     
    Cool, do hooters waitresses dip and grind, do you tip them by putting dollar bills in their waste band? Do they encourage children to dance and grind and also receive tips? Do we see a lot of field trips to hooters? No. What about having hooters come and put on a 'wing show' for the kids in the school? No? So, it is really nothing like that at all is it.

    Your paranoia aside, I highly doubt Drag Queens do any of that with children. To be honest, I don't keep up because this is a nonissue.

    I have seen many kids at Hooters, though it's been a long time since I've been there. I doubt that has changed.
     
    To you, what comes first? Societal obligation or personal freedoms?
    Interesting thought.
    I would bet, years ago, like 10, dems wanted personal freedom and reps wanted society obligations. I bet that has completely flipped.
    Thank God the democrats cannot govern

    Neither comes first. They are both equally important.
     
    Cool, do hooters waitresses dip and grind, do you tip them by putting dollar bills in their waste band? Do they encourage children to dance and grind and also receive tips? Do we see a lot of field trips to hooters? No. What about having hooters come and put on a 'wing show' for the kids in the school? No? So, it is really nothing like that at all is it.

    Have brunch with the family.


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    I like that answer. I will allow it.
    I also like how you used 'threatening' language. Good word choice.
    I don't have the particular answer but I think overt "threatening" language (varying levels but I'm thinking "I'm going to come to your house and put a bullet in your head.") is the point where it's most apparent and most universally accepted that, in the interest of an orderly and safe-intending society, some level of restrictions upon speech (or a right) are a necessity yet still fall within the parameters of the Constitution.
     
    Cool, do hooters waitresses dip and grind, do you tip them by putting dollar bills in their waste band? Do they encourage children to dance and grind and also receive tips? Do we see a lot of field trips to hooters? No. What about having hooters come and put on a 'wing show' for the kids in the school? No? So, it is really nothing like that at all is it.

    I've been to child-focused drag events and they don't do any of that shirt either.
     
    Your paranoia aside, I highly doubt Drag Queens do any of that with children. To be honest, I don't keep up because this is a nonissue.

    I have seen many kids at Hooters, though it's been a long time since I've been there. I doubt that has changed.
    Honestly, I don't think children should be allowed in Hooters either so I guess we agree on that.
    Am I wrong in saying that this was indeed a slippery slope from when I was called crazy for bring up the absurdity of 'drag queen story hour' at public libraries? Now we have kids dancing with drag queen under a huge neon sign that says "It won't lick itself".
    What you may call paranoia, I call it the correct response to sexualization of kids.
     
    Honestly, I don't think children should be allowed in Hooters either so I guess we agree on that.
    Am I wrong in saying that this was indeed a slippery slope from when I was called crazy for bring up the absurdity of 'drag queen story hour' at public libraries? Now we have kids dancing with drag queen under a huge neon sign that says "It won't lick itself".
    What you may call paranoia, I call it the correct response to sexualization of kids.

    I don't know what event you're referring to, so I can't really say.
     

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