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    Yggdrasill

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    I am in the camp that Trump must -not should- be impeached. If not this President, for this behavior, then what bar would have to be cleared to merit impeachment?

    Impeachment not only sends a signal to the country and the world that fomenting a coup is unacceptable and will be punished, but it also removes much of the threat Trump could pose going forward as, I understand it, he would lose his pension, his access to daily security briefings, free medical care and other amenities and benefits afforded to former Presidents. If impeached, he would not meet the definition of a Former President under the Former Presidents Act. I don't think it is clear whether he would continue to receive Secret Service protection.
     
    Well, they did it the first time, so why not try it again?
     
    superchuck500 said:
    I least he finally got that hair under control.
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    Ruh roh, there's trouble in paradise... hell hath no fury like a q-viking scorned...

    apnews.com

    Man who wore horns at riot willing to speak at Trump's trial

    PHOENIX (AP) — The lawyer for an Arizona man who took part in the insurrection at the U.S. Capitol while sporting face paint, no shirt and a furry hat with horns is offering to have his client testify at former President Donald Trump’s upcoming impeachment trial.
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    Watkins said his client was previously “horrendously smitten” by Trump but now feels let down after Trump’s refusal to grant Chansley and others who participated in the insurrection a pardon. “He felt like he was betrayed by the president,” Watkins said.
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    Richard said:
    The Democrats overplayed their hand. With the national outrage over the Capitol riots, they had public sentiment going for them. So the threat of impeachment was necessary and certainly warranted. However, the offer should have been made before Trump even left office to have him censured and prohibited from holding public office again. Their goals would have been achieved, the nation would have been spared the possibility of another Trump run and Biden would have started his term without the circus of the impeachment trial. Now, Republicans in fear of Trump and facing the loss of their jobs will vote to acquit Trump. The threat of another Trump run will hang over the country like a dark cloud and he will have a legitimate fundraising source to help him stave off bankruptcy. Amazing that none of the top Democrats could see it.
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    Well, I naively hoped that the impeachment would be a lifeline for the Republicans to unify and impeach. To take their licks and divorce themselves from the party of Trump and start to get back to their original core beliefs. You know, what they should have done, from the start, four years ago instead of sinking further and further into the Trump abyss. I guess I thought that McConnell and the handful that denounced the insurrection would be the start. Instead, they are trying to play middle-of-the-road, still.

    And now you have the state party heads censuring the lawmakers that took the proper stand.
     
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    Richard said:
    The Democrats overplayed their hand. With the national outrage over the Capitol riots, they had public sentiment going for them. So the threat of impeachment was necessary and certainly warranted. However, the offer should have been made before Trump even left office to have him censured and prohibited from holding public office again. Their goals would have been achieved, the nation would have been spared the possibility of another Trump run and Biden would have started his term without the circus of the impeachment trial. Now, Republicans in fear of Trump and facing the loss of their jobs will vote to acquit Trump. The threat of another Trump run will hang over the country like a dark cloud and he will have a legitimate fundraising source to help him stave off bankruptcy. Amazing that none of the top Democrats could see it.
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    Trump never would have taken that deal.
     
    superchuck500 said:
    Trump never would have taken that deal.
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    The deal wouldn't have been made with Trump. The right scenario would have been a behind closed doors meeting among leadership in both houses. The Democrats pitch that they will proceed with impeachment, but offer an out for Republicans. A voice vote censure without having to call the roll would have allowed Republican Senators some measure of deniability if they chose to take advantage of it. Even Senators with presidential aspirations could see some benefit in removing Trump as a contender in 2024. It could have been a win-win for everyone in that Democrats would get Trump's guilt on the record and he would largely be removed from a substantive role in national politics while Republicans would rid themselves of the burden of having to defend the indefensible and can plan for what the party would look like going forward. Republicans could focus on actual policy matters rather than the Trump whim of the day. IMO it would have benefitted the country greatly to put the Trump fiasco in the rear view mirror.
     

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