The Voting Thread (Procedures, Turnout, Legal Challenges)(Update: Trump to file suit in PA, MI, WI, AZ, NV, GA) (15 Viewers)

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    Lapaz

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    There is a lot of push-back from Trump on voting by mail, but most states allow it, and 1/3 allow it without any excuse. His rationale is that it will lead to vast fraud, but of course that isn't his real reason. His real reason is that he thinks it will be worse for conservatives, but studies have shown that states that have instituted much broader voting by mail haven't had any statistical changes in party voting.



    Although, normally voting by mail doesn't affect party votes, I bet it might this year if we have another resurgence of Covid, because I think the right is much more apt to discount the virus than the left. I know that is why Trump is against it.

    Whether you're left or right wing, expanding mail in votes is the right thing to do to reduce the likelihood of spreading the virus, to expand voter participation, and to make it easier for those that do show up to stay distant. It will also allow any people with susceptibilities to remain safer. I think voting by mail could be made extremely secure by having people vote using traditional postal mail, coupled with requiring a confirmation either by phone, email or text. If done by phone, then voters can provide confirmation that can include confirming their form number. If done by email or text, it can include a picture of their form, and then confirmation that that was their form. Rather than staffers individually calling people, this can be automated by having voters call the number, text the number, or email the address provided to them on their form. A website can even be created with a database of those that have voted, and perhaps a link to allow people to confirm their vote was correctly registered. For people without computers, a site can include a means to access the database over the phone with some confirmation information. These types of systems are used extensively by banks and other sites that need security, so I think they are mature enough to use. We could even use such a site for people to confirm their vote on the day of the election.
     
    Deliberately altering a document filed as an exhibit is sanctionable (by the court). It's possible, though, that the version they have actually was unsigned for a time or an unsigned version was included in some document or set of documents that they obtained.

    It could potentially support disciplinary action by the bar, but I think for that kind of thing, the better recourse is by the court in the case in which it happened. A really eggregious example or an attorney that has a pattern of being sanctioned could face bar discipline, I suppose.

    To the first point, looking at the document they added in their attachment, it appears to be a half-sheet of paper, and includes the red line that was was drawn on the original document to prevent anyone from adding anything between the text of the certificate and the signature. Here are the original certificate (from the SOS website) and the one filed with the court.
     

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    Giuliani was so outraged that someone brought up the reports of him requesting a pardon that he farts on an open mic twice. Ellis looks like she's ready to leave the table after the second one.
     
    You know, they keep this up, they might just outdo Prairie View's losing streak. After that one minor victory in PA, they're already out-pacing the streak...
     
    I watched this woman testify live. I got sucked into the shirt show that these clown shows are. I couldn't look away. I can almost see how someone desperate for something to believe in would go down the rabbit hole.



    Apparently this old SNL skit is trending because of her testimony.
    I was going to post this in the liberal funnies topic, but I'll do it here for all to enjoy



    (this also took place)
     
    Apparently this old SNL skit is trending because of her testimony.
    I was going to post this in the liberal funnies topic, but I'll do it here for all to enjoy



    (this also took place)


    Good lord. "If some Chao show up..."

    I'm not going to lie (and I really do hate painting with such a broad brush) but I dated a girl from India for 4 years (6 if you count the first time around) who was brought here when she was two years old and whenever we'd go to her mom's house for various gatherings that were made up of mostly Indian immigrants and their kids (my age) you'd hear some of the most jaw droppingly racist stuff being talked about so casually that if you traded their accent for a southern drawl and made them white you'd have thought they were the stereotypical white trash southern racist.
     
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    Good lord. "If some Chao show up..." I'm not going to lie (and I really do hate painting with such a broad brush) but I dated a girl from India for 4 years (6 if you count the first time around) who was brought here when she was two years old and whenever we'd go to her mom's house for various gatherings that were made up of mostly Indian immigrants and their kids (my age) you'd hear some of the most jaw droppingly racist stuff being talked about so casually that if you traded their accent for a southern drawl and made them white you'd have thought they were the stereotypical white trash southern racist.

    Frankly, that's true of most cultures.

    America is a melting pot, but most nations outside the Western world aren't. They rarely interact with anyone not like them. They end up developing a lot of preconceived notions about other people and because those groups have no representation in their countries there's hardly ever any push back to those attitudes. It's the same general effect of rural America, but on a national scale.
     
    Just saw Trump appointee at Justice dept banned from premises.
    Apparently been working to get inside info on cases.
    Just installed there 2 - 3 months ago.
     
    Crazy Michigan lady advertises herself on the internet as an actress. 🤔
    Oh, and just got off of a one-year probation for some sort of computer crime in Sept.



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