Post-Election Results Analysis (2 Viewers)

wardorican said:

Yup.

Take a look at post 5. Shows a better breakdown.

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I think what he means is labeling Puerto Rican's and Cuban's as Latinos (as in the gif in post 5). Latinos originally meant from Latin America (i.e. Central and South America). Though some take is as meaning from as from a country with a Latin based langue (but only Spanish, lol).

Hispanic has been used since the '70's to refer more to people from the Caribbean Islands (i.e. area surrounding Hispaniola), but has also been used to refereed to all Latin/Hispanic/Spanish speakers.

Both are almost exclusively used to refer to people in the US.

There should also be a delineation between 2nd/3rd generation decedents and beyond. Once fully assimilated Hispanics/Latinos tend to have very different voting patterns.

wardorican said:

....or ride around drunk on a boat.

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I mean... who doesn't?

UncleTrvlingJim said:

I mean... who doesn't?

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Me, but i got time.

wardorican said:

Florida is more about freedom and no income tax. Everyone here wants to act like a high roller, or ride around drunk on a boat.

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zztop said:

Trump made a 4% jump in votes ― increasing from 50.1% in 2016 to 54.1% in 2020 ― in areas highly impacted by the coronavirus

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That was a little surprising, but not completely. There's a tendency for crisis to improve support of leaders. And while you'd think the leader making a complete hash of the crisis would do the opposite, that's only the case if everyone recognises that. If a lot of people don't, and they're voting on the basis of supporting a leader who's been "doing the best he can" during a terrible crisis, then yes, you might expect to see a boost because of the crisis regardless of that leader failing his country in reality, as counter-intuitive as it seems.

Saint by the Bay said:

It's because both parties still treat black people like they are poor and criminals, while the reality is the majority of blacks are middle class and have a whole different set of concerns other than criminal justice reform and government aide. Democrats need to adjust their message from pretending they need to take care of black folks and speak more to the problems we face today.

Also, Trump's tough-guy image, even if it's fake as hell, appeals to a segment of black men that are also faux alpha males.

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This statement can't be expressed enough. These are Trump supporters and I would guess also make up a large number of fools who voted for Kanye West.

From NY Times. Trends in every county that has reported 98% of its vote. In a few days will be completely filled out
Of note:
Utah went heavily red because last time a big % of them voted for that third party Mormon guy
Texas border counties trended much more red, but Biden still actually won them
Miami, of course

Here's the map for South Carolina. It's quite a bit more blue than I think most would expect. My district was 84% Biden.

I was thinking more about some of the support among blacks and Hispanic males for Trump.

You know the old saying, when white America gets a cold, blacks get the flu. I'm wondering how much "open the economy" fueled the increase in support? Things are tough all over, but black and Hispanic people are taking a deeper hit. It's quite possible it was a strictly fiscal decision for a lot of minority men.

Saint by the Bay said:

I was thinking more about some of the support among blacks and Hispanic males for Trump.

You know the old saying, when white America gets a cold, blacks get the flu. I'm wondering how much "open the economy" fueled the increase in support? Things are tough all over, but black and Hispanic people are taking a deeper hit. It's quite possible it was a strictly fiscal decision for a lot of minority men.

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I hadn't thought about that, but it makes sense. Nevada should have been a cinch for Democrats, but talking to a friend who lives there, a lot of Nevada residents supported Trump because they wanted to keep the economy open and they're afraid that Biden will shut the country down and people will lose their jobs all over again.

I think the sentiment is understandable.

Saint by the Bay said:

I was thinking more about some of the support among blacks and Hispanic males for Trump.

You know the old saying, when white America gets a cold, blacks get the flu. I'm wondering how much "open the economy" fueled the increase in support? Things are tough all over, but black and Hispanic people are taking a deeper hit. It's quite possible it was a strictly fiscal decision for a lot of minority men.

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In the black community and amongst some of my FB friends I saw that Biden's support for the 1994 Crime bill is what turned them (5-10 out of 100 or so) off. It really pissed me off when they mentioned it because... we all were in middle/high school in New Orleans around that time when it was passed and saw some effects of the carnage that it was trying to stop first hand. Back then New Orleans was consistently the "Murder Capital of the World" with anywhere between 350-450 murders per year. Hell, I even pointed out to them that back then, our own damn mothers supported the crime bill and if New Orleans was seeing 350-450 murders per year today, they'd support some sort of crime bill.

This new "woke" aspect of society keeps trying to judge the actions of 25-30 years ago through this newly formed BS hypersensitive moral code...and if anything done back then doesn't match what we believe now, we go all ape poop over it.

The Democrats need to give something to people to cheer for. Bill Clinton had "Don't Stop Thinking About Tomorrow" and Obama had "Yes we can!" Hillary had some lame ones that never really took hold. This election, Biden just sat back and let Trump shoot himself in the foot from about July through September. Turns out, "get a load of this guy" while pointing at Trump was a winning formula. However, it only worked on Trump, not the rest of the Republicans. Therefore, no "blue wave" and no coattails.

Americans like to cheer. Trump understands that. "Make American Great Again" and MAGA fed into that desire to cheer. He held his pep rallies and people came out with their Trump flags and waved them with enthusiasm. He generated enthusiasm.

The Democrats need to match that somewhat. They had "Ridin' with Biden" (which wasn't bad if they would have incorporated it into their ads and campaign more) and "Byedon" which again, was more of "get a load of this guy." Americans want something snappy that they can cheer to.

I really don't see Biden running again in 2024. Harris will be the presumptive nominee. They need to come up with something for her.

I will finish by staking a claim to a cat name. If I ever get a hairless cat, I am naming it Kamala Hairless. Copyright. Trademark.

Sandman said:

The Democrats need to give something to people to cheer for. Bill Clinton had "Don't Stop Thinking About Tomorrow" and Obama had "Yes we can!" Hillary had some lame ones that never really took hold. This election, Biden just sat back and let Trump shoot himself in the foot from about July through September. Turns out, "get a load of this guy" while pointing at Trump was a winning formula. However, it only worked on Trump, not the rest of the Republicans. Therefore, no "blue wave" and no coattails.

Americans like to cheer. Trump understands that. "Make American Great Again" and MAGA fed into that desire to cheer. He held his pep rallies and people came out with their Trump flags and waved them with enthusiasm. He generated enthusiasm.

The Democrats need to match that somewhat. They had "Ridin' with Biden" (which wasn't bad if they would have incorporated it into their ads and campaign more) and "Byedon" which again, was more of "get a load of this guy." Americans want something snappy that they can cheer to.

I really don't see Biden running again in 2024. Harris will be the presumptive nominee. They need to come up with something for her.

I will finish by staking a claim to a cat name. If I ever get a hairless cat, I am naming it Kamala Hairless. Copywrite. Trademark.

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Biden did have a "Build back better." Slogan. But it just never took hold. Plus it doesn't exactly roll off the tongue when you say it out loud. But when your chants are "lock ___ up" or "4 more years", it's plenty easy to cheer if you're into that sort of thing. Trumpers were super enthusiastic because the guy spoke, thought and viewed "other" people like they did. It was gross and appealed to people's basest emotions. I hated it and it reminded me of totalitarianism even though his real power wasn't truly that.

I never liked Trump. I was shocked when he was elected. He was the opposite of everything you want in a president. He's the sole reason I no longer call myself a Republican. Until the party does some real soul searching and makes changes to their platform and rhetoric, I'll never be a part of the party again. I might vote for Republican candidates or proposals, but it will be because I believe they're right for the country, not because of anything the party does.

This is kind of a long r ead

But there was a lot of misinformation going around. No surprise, it's only gotten worse since facebook went from college kids only, to anyone aged 13-99

AOC's response to the commentary that Democrats lost down-ballot races because American's rejected progressivism. Some of it (e.g. poor execution by some of those campaigns) is quite persuasive.

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Saint by the Bay said:

I was thinking more about some of the support among blacks and Hispanic males for Trump.

You know the old saying, when white America gets a cold, blacks get the flu. I'm wondering how much "open the economy" fueled the increase in support? Things are tough all over, but black and Hispanic people are taking a deeper hit. It's quite possible it was a strictly fiscal decision for a lot of minority men.

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I had mentioned something like this earlier - so I do think it is valid point. And we have talked about the tension in the Democratic coalition between upper income educated whites (which I would have also added "urban" before this election but in 2020 now includes a very high percentage of suburban whites, particularly women) and working-class minorities.
At the same time, I am now wondering how much of a jump there was towards Republicans. I have heard various things on the topic but have yet to really see something concrete, and don't know if it is likely we will know given the circumstances of this particular election.

superchuck500 said:

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I think AOC makes an intersting point. Ignore her politics for a sec, she runs a very smart online game and she's actually held workshop for other democrats on how to effectively use social media.