Reports (w/ multiple sources) detail Trump's pattern of disrespecting military casualties (2 Viewers)

RobF said:

Case in point. The same nytimes article in the tweet SFL has just linked to goes on to further quote Bolton:

While Mr. Bolton said he did not hear the president disparage troops, he added that Mr. Trump did not protest the decision, as he now says he did. “He didn’t say, ‘This is terrible, I have to go out to the veterans,’” Mr. Bolton said. “He accepted it and that was pretty much the end of it.” Having said that, Mr. Bolton added, the reported comments were not out of character. “I haven’t heard anybody yet react to say, ‘That’s not the Donald Trump I know,’” he said.​

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Bolton is saying that Trump is at least lying about protesting the decision, and that the reported comments are in character for him. This is not a defense of Trump; it's yet another condemnation.

As for the weather account, that doesn't refute the Atlantic account either. It's entirely possible that the Atlantic account is correct regardless, since Trump could have already indicated his desire not to go as reported before any decision was made regarding whether the helicopter could fly.

It is absolutely clear that Trump is a liar though.

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My gut tells me that someone was made aware that Trump did not want to go, so they came up with a BS weather excuse so that he could feel better.

FullMonte said:

My gut tells me that someone was made aware that Trump did not want to go, so they came up with a BS weather excuse so that he could feel better.

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The crazy thing is that I think it was somewhat the opposite - Trump didn’t want to go because the weather sucked and he didn’t want to make a public appearance in the rain (he has said publicly that his hair “has to be perfect” at all times). So in his unwillingness to go - like a child - he also throws this comment out there “why would I want to go to a cemetery with soldiers who got killed” (which in his mind means they weren’t strong enough).

But that’s just my imagination fitting in possibilities with his known behavior.

superchuck500 said:

It’s always the same language too - losers and suckers.

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it's pretty established as a means of expression for Trump:

Watch

superchuck500 said:

Do you dispute that the Atlantic story is true? Do you have a basis for it? It seems very much in character - it’s hardly out of left-field, he’s made similar statements in public.

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I have no idea if it's true or not, but considering one of the main claims in the story is false, it's 60 days out from the election, and it’s all anonymous sources I'm skeptical. Considering the horrible record of the unanmed sources for Russiagate, it's good to be skeptical unless there is proof.

What a coincidence that the Atlantic got the first question for Biden’s softball press conference. The vets group produced an ad in only 12 hours after the article broke. It sure seems like it was coordinated from those 2 things.

Is seeming like it's very much in Trump's character a good standard to believe a story that's only based on unanmed sources? What if Fox came out today with a blockbuster article saying that Biden molested some kids and grouped some women. That story was strictly based on anonymous sources, but it seems like Biden's character. It was also confirmed by other outlets using anonymous sources. Would you believe that story?

I'm guessing you are talking about Trump's horrible comments that he had made about McCain. I'm no fan of McCain because he never met a war he didn't support, but Trump's comments about him were inexcusable. I'm not surprised that Trump attacked McCain especially considering that McCain helped pass the discredited Steele Dossier to the FBI. That is not a defense of Trump's comments towards McCain, but that won't stop people from claiming it was.

FullMonte said:

We know it's not true because Trump explained it. He said that he was so upset that he couldn't go to the event that he "called home" and told Melania how broken up he was about not being able to go. I mean, she was on the trip with him and wouldn't have been "home" for him to call, but still, that shows that he was distraught.

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Did he actually say that?

Ayo said:

I remember when he cancelled his New Hampshire rally, after the listless and underwhelming turnout in Tulsa, because of inclement weather and rain.

Here's a shot of NH that day:

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tRuMp rEfUSeS tO sPeAk wHEn iT's rAinINg

EmBeeFiveOhFour said:

When Fox News is confirming stuff like this





the defenders (even though there only appears to be one here at the moment) either need to reconsider their defense or, I guess, switch to that other, nuttier cable channel that I hear about.

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Since all these "confirmations" are anonymous, do you think it's possible that they are all the same sources as the Atlantic article?

SaintForLife said:

I have no idea if it's true or not, but considering one of the main claims in the story is false, it's 60 days out from the election, and it’s all anonymous sources I'm skeptical. Considering the horrible record of the unanmed sources for Russiagate, it's good to be skeptical unless there is proof.

What a coincidence that the Atlantic got the first question for Biden’s softball press conference. The vets group produced an ad in only 12 hours after the article broke. It sure seems like it was coordinated from those 2 things.

Is seeming like it's very much in Trump's character a good standard to believe a story that's only based on unanmed sources? What if Fox came out today with a blockbuster article saying that Biden molested some kids and grouped some women. That story was strictly based on anonymous sources, but it seems like Biden's character. It was also confirmed by other outlets using anonymous sources. Would you believe that story?

I'm guessing you are talking about Trump's horrible comments that he had made about McCain. I'm no fan of McCain because he never met a war he didn't support, but Trump's comments about him were inexcusable. I'm not surprised that Trump attacked McCain especially considering that McCain helped pass the discredited Steele Dossier to the FBI. That is not a defense of Trump's comments towards McCain, but that won't stop people from claiming it was.

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I appreciate your response - and want to respond, just wanted to say that I’m walking out the door and will have to come back to it later.

SaintForLife said:

tRuMp rEfUSeS tO sPeAk wHEn iT's rAinINg

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You realize this only works against your point, right?

He will speak in the rain for some reasons, but not for our fallen veterans in France?

If you want to impugn Trump even further, more power to you.

Besides, are you utterly humorous? I put in an image of the Windows wallpaper.

I didn't really expect you'd take it, like, 100% seriously

Ayo said:

Besides, are you utterly humorous? I put in an image of the Windows wallpaper.

I didn't really expect you'd take it, like, 100% seriously

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Good ole Windows 98/2000 background.

cuddlemonkey said:

Did he actually say that?

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Apparently. It's about 14 paragraphs down.

" So I went and I called home. I spoke to my wife. I said, “I hate this. I came here to go to that ceremony,” and to the one that was the following day, which I did go to. I said, “I feel terribly.” And that was the end of it."

Saintamaniac said:

Good ole Windows 98/2000 background.

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the most iconic Windows thing this side of Microsoft 3D Pinball: Space Cadet

SaintForLife said:

tRuMp rEfUSeS tO sPeAk wHEn iT's rAinINg

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Yeah...showing that he was willing to speak in the rain at his "stroke my ego" military parade is proof that he wasn't unwilling to speak in the rain at an event in a foreign country that wasn't going to be televised live here in the US.

SaintForLife said:

but considering one of the main claims in the story

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You keep saying this and I'm curious how you arrive at this conclusion. I've read the article and I didn't get the sense that any of the disclosures was written, meant or intimated to be "main." It all seemed like a collection of occurences that pointed to one main theme - the President's disdain for the military. How are you concluding that the point about the helicopter/rain was a "main claim?"

Ayo said:

You realize this only works against your point, right?

He will speak in the rain for some reasons, but not for our fallen veterans in France?

If you want to impugn Trump even further, more power to you.

Besides, are you utterly humorous? I put in an image of the Windows wallpaper.

I didn't really expect you'd take it, like, 100% seriously

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Did the weird font from my response not tip you off to the sarcastic tone of my post?

The Navy canceled the transport.

SaintForLife said:

Did the weird font from my response not tip you off to the sarcastic tone of my post?

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it's meme-fied alternative capitalization - not a font

and, no. It seemed - as consistent with the typical use of that stylization - to be mocking my post more than Trump

The fact is that the helicopter not flying didn’t keep him from going, he could have gone there like all the other dignitaries did, like Kelly. Whether the helicopter couldn’t fly because of weather, or they used weather as an excuse because Trump didn’t want to go doesn’t matter. It’s not the main point, it’s not even one of the main points. The fact that we’ve spent pages with arguments about that is just sort of frustrating.

I keep seeing the argument that these anonymous sources may all be the same people. Well, yes, of course that might be the case. There are at least four different people. So is the thought that this is a new conspiracy among senior level brass? Seriously, is that the point? Otherwise, why bring that up?

The thought that this was set up with a group that’s against Trump is just more conspiracy theory nonsense, imo.

SFL, I wasn’t trying to be a moderator, honest, I just know that you will go full bore on the Russia stuff and wanted to head that off. It’d be nice to stay on this topic. That’s all.