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[Huntn]

Anxiety surges as Donald Trump may be indicted soon: Why 2024 is 'the final battle' and 'the big one'​

Anxiety surges as Donald Trump may be indicted soon: Why 2024 is 'the final battle' and 'the big one'

Donald Trump's many legal problems – and calls for protests – have generated new fears of political violence and anxiety about the 2024 election.

www.yahoo.com

WASHINGTON – It looks like American politics is entering a new age of anxiety, triggered by an unprecedented legal development: The potential indictment of a former president and current presidential candidate.

Donald Trump's many legal problems – and calls for protests by his followers – have generated new fears of political violence and anxiety about the unknowable impact all this will have on the already-tense 2024 presidential election

I’ll reframe this is a more accurate way, Are Presidents above the law? This new age was spurred into existence when home grown dummies elected a corrupt, mentally ill, anti-democratic, would be dictator as President and don’t bother to hold him responsible for his crimes, don’t want to because in the ensuing mayhem and destruction, they think they will be better off. The man is actually advocating violence (not the first time). And btw, screw democracy too. If this feeling spreads, we are In deep shirt.

This goes beyond one treasonous Peice of work and out to all his minions. This is on you or should we be sympathetic to the idea of they can’t help being selfish suckers to the Nation’s detriment? Donald Trump is the single largest individual threat to our democracy and it‘s all going to boil down to will the majority of the GOP return to his embrace and start slinging his excrement to support him?

 

[Dragon]

Okay. So if it were Donald Trump Jr, you would be okay with the arrangement? You wouldn’t question it?

And fyi, if I were a decision maker and my brother was a board member with a customer or a vendor or a competitor, I would have to recuse myself. It is a conflict of interest. It would cause everyone to question my decisions and whether my decisions were influenced or informed by his association with the other company.

Is it illegal? Not in this country. Could I be fired over it. Absolutely. Happens all the time.

As I said - it depends on whether the salary is within reasonable range of a person with the same level of experience and education. A 2 million $ salary to Donald Trump Jr who only holds a bachelors degree and have only worked within the Trump organization would certainly be investigated. In contrast Hunter Biden holds a Bachelor of Arts degree from Georgetown University as well as a law degree from Yale Law School and has as I said successfully started multiple companies on his own and received far less for his work. Based on those 2 CVs Donald Trump Jr does not reach the same level as Hunter Biden when it comes to "business value"

 

[TampaJoe]

It would definitely depend on the scale. If Barron Trump were paid a salary within the range of his age, experience and education - as was Hunter actually done (I asume that that is what you are trying to argue - Hunter is a cooporate lawyer who has founded and succesfully led multiple companies - even before working for Burisma - and the salary he received was not out of range given that). Baron Trump is a young man who hasn't even completed the first year of college. BIG difference. If he was getting paid 2 million $ the pay would not reflect his actual worth - not even within a factor 1000 and if that was the son of the Danish PM it would definitely get the Danish police very interested in the case.

So the gotcha does not work in this comparison.

Which companies did Hunter found and successfully lead? Were those companies and his expertise, in the same industry as Burisma? He was selling access to his father wasn’t he? The sitting VP at the time. If his father was aware his son was being paid by Burisma, we he conflicted?

This is the same ethical issue faced by Justice Thomas and his wife’s position as a conservative activist.

As for Barron, his name image and likeness may very well be worth something to a foreign power trying to expand or get a foothold in this country? They could make that argument. There are NIL contracts with college athletes of 2 million.

 

[Dragon]

Which companies did Hunter found and successfully lead? Were those companies and his expertise, in the same industry as Burisma? He was selling access to his father wasn’t he? The sitting VP at the time. If his father was aware his son was being paid by Burisma, we he conflicted?

This is the same ethical issue faced by Justice Thomas and his wife’s position as a conservative activist.

As for Barron, his name image and likeness may very well be worth something to a foreign power trying to expand or get a foothold in this country? They could make that argument. There are NIL contracts with college athletes of 2 million.

1. Oldaker, Biden & Belair (2001): A lobbying firm specializing in healthcare and telecommunications issues.
2. Paradigm Global Advisors (2006): An international hedge fund purchased by Hunter and his uncle James Biden.
3. Seneca Global Advisors (2008): A consultancy firm assisting companies in expanding into foreign markets.
4. Rosemont Seneca Partners (2009): An investment and advisory firm co-founded with Devon Archer and Christopher Heinz.
5. Eudora Global: A venture capital firm co-founded by Hunter Biden.
6. BHR Partners (2013): A Chinese investment company where Hunter served as a founding board member.

These ventures span various industries, including lobbying, hedge funds, consultancy, investment advisory, venture capital, and international private equity. A simple seach could have answered you question and NO he was not selling access to his father. All sources says that he may have used his fathers name to promote himself but was very carefull not to step over the line.

 

[Dragon]

Which companies did Hunter found and successfully lead? Were those companies and his expertise, in the same industry as Burisma? He was selling access to his father wasn’t he? The sitting VP at the time. If his father was aware his son was being paid by Burisma, we he conflicted?

This is the same ethical issue faced by Justice Thomas and his wife’s position as a conservative activist.

As for Barron, his name image and likeness may very well be worth something to a foreign power trying to expand or get a foothold in this country? They could make that argument. There are NIL contracts with college athletes of 2 million.

Thomas received payments from people and organizations with cases in front of the SC. A far different situation.

Barron is no college athlete and that excuse would fall flat at least in Denmark.

 

[TampaJoe]

1. Oldaker, Biden & Belair (2001): A lobbying firm specializing in healthcare and telecommunications issues.
2. Paradigm Global Advisors (2006): An international hedge fund purchased by Hunter and his uncle James Biden.
3. Seneca Global Advisors (2008): A consultancy firm assisting companies in expanding into foreign markets.
4. Rosemont Seneca Partners (2009): An investment and advisory firm co-founded with Devon Archer and Christopher Heinz.
5. Eudora Global: A venture capital firm co-founded by Hunter Biden.
6. BHR Partners (2013): A Chinese investment company where Hunter served as a founding board member.

These ventures span various industries, including lobbying, hedge funds, consultancy, investment advisory, venture capital, and international private equity.

Thanks. Just curious, are any of these companies still operating?

But your point is well taken.

Now let me ask you. Did VP Biden influence US policy that affected Burisma and the Ukraine at the same time as his son was a board member of a Ukrainian Company? Don’t think that people could legitimately question whether that association may have affected his decisions or recommendations? Could he have recused himself from those discussions and deliberations in order to avoid such questions.

I can tell you I would lose my license to practice if I had such a conflict and sold myself as independent.

 

[Dragon]

Thanks. Just curious, are any of these companies still operating?

But your point is well taken.

Now let me ask you. Did VP Biden influence US policy that affected Burisma and the Ukraine at the same time as his son was a board member of a Ukrainian Company? Don’t think that people could legitimately question whether that association may have affected his decisions or recommendations? Could he have recused himself from those discussions and deliberations in order to avoid such questions.

I can tell you I would lose my license to practice if I had such a conflict and sold myself as independent.

Joe Biden was sent to Ukraine on behalf of both the US and the EU to put an end to corruption in Ukraine. The main reason for that corruption running wild, was the state procecutor who refused to procecute cases of corruption due to being paid off. Biden was there to deliver the message that Ukraine needed to get rid of that corrupt state procecutor or EU/US aid and cooperation would cease. That is what he did. Deliver a message from the american and EU governments

 

[TampaJoe]

Thomas received payments from people and organizations with cases in front of the SC. A far different situation.

Barron is no college athlete and that excuse would fall flat at least in Denmark.

Your point with Thomas is well taken and no it’s not that different. Such an association with Thomas caused people rightfully to question his independence. That’s the point.

As far as Barron, we are not in Denmark. In this country you don’t need to be an athlete to have an NIL contract and it would be argued I’m sure that the 2 million number isn’t unreasonable. Such NIL contracts exist. People can and would argue they are comparable.

It would be an excuse of course. But the parties will use and exploit such tactics to avoid addressing the obvious conflicts of interest. That is the point. That is where we are. That is why we need clear unambiguous standards and everyone has to agree to follow those standards and pledge not to defend or make excuses when they are breached. That is what is lacking here. That is why nothing here will change. Republicans don’t trust Dems and Dems don’t trust Republicans. Both parties will circle the wagons to protect their own and to preserve their political power. It isn’t about what is good and ethical for the citizens of this country. It is all about political power.

 

[TampaJoe]

Joe Biden was sent to Ukraine on behalf of both the US and the EU to put an end to corruption in Ukraine. The main reason for that corruption running wild, was the state procecutor who refused to procecute cases of corruption due to being paid off. Biden was there to deliver the message that Ukraine needed to get rid of that corrupt state procecutor or EU/US aid and cooperation would cease. That is what he did. Deliver a message from the american and EU governments

I know the story. That isn’t the point. He had a conflict of interest and he should have recused himself. They could just as easily sent the SOS and avoided the appearance of a conflict in the first place.

 

[Dragon]

I know the story. That isn’t the point. He had a conflict of interest and he should have recused himself. They could just as easily sent the SOS and avoided the appearance of a conflict in the first place.

It is not "a story". Biden was sent with a specific job which he did. He had no influence over the message. Joe Biden was just the "messenger"

 

[Dragon]

Your point with Thomas is well taken and no it’s not that different. Such an association with Thomas caused people rightfully to question his independence. That’s the point.

As far as Barron, we are not in Denmark. In this country you don’t need to be an athlete to have an NIL contract and it would be argued I’m sure that the 2 million number isn’t unreasonable. Such NIL contracts exist. People can and would argue they are comparable.

It would be an excuse of course. But the parties will use and exploit such tactics to avoid addressing the obvious conflicts of interest. That is the point. That is where we are. That is why we need clear unambiguous standards and everyone has to agree to follow those standards and pledge not to defend or make excuses when they are breached. That is what is lacking here. That is why nothing here will change. Republicans don’t trust Dems and Dems don’t trust Republicans. Both parties will circle the wagons to protect their own and to preserve their political power. It isn’t about what is good and ethical for the citizens of this country. It is all about political power.

Keep making excuses for Thomas. And yes IT IS different. Thomas did not do any work for those "gifts" And it took him years to admit it even though by LAW he had to report it EVERY year.

Your whole argument with comparing Baron to a top athlete is wrong. A top athlete provides something by themselves. Baron on his own provides NOTHING aside access to his father. Your both sideinsm is getting weirder and weirder every day beside the point that you are a lazy debater - always asking OTHERs to provide information that is readily awailable but you don't want to do any work - just spread conspiracy theories from the right....

 

[MT15]

Keep making excuses for Thomas. And yes IT IS different. Thomas did not do any work for those "gifts" And it took him years to admit it even though by LAW he had to report it EVERY year.

Your whole argument with comparing Baron to a top athlete is wrong. A top athlete provides something by themselves. Baron on his own provides NOTHING aside access to his father. Your both sideinsm is getting weirder and weirder every day beside the point that you are a lazy debater - always asking OTHERs to provide information that is readily awailable but you don't want to do any work - just spread conspiracy theories from the right....

He never supports his own claims, just spouts conspiracy theories and misinformation from the right, as you said. He is completely in the tank for Trump and the GOP. Not worth your time to try to debate him, IMO. He’s not being an honest participant, because he never supports his own claims but demands proof from others.

 

[Optimus Prime]

Donald Trump has lashed out after Bruce Springsteen branded his administration “corrupt, incompetent and treasonous.”

Springsteen, 75, was performing at Co-op Live in Manchester, England earlier this week when he delivered several monologues railing against the Trump administration, DOGE cuts and ICE deportations.

On his own social media platform Truth Social,the President of the United States, 78, responded: “I see that Highly Overrated Bruce Springsteen goes to a Foreign Country to speak badly about the President of the United States.


“Never liked him, never liked his music, or his Radical Left Politics and, importantly, he’s not a talented guy — Just a pushy, obnoxious JERK, who fervently supported Crooked Joe Biden, a mentally incompetent FOOL, and our WORST EVER President, who came close to destroying our Country.

“If I wasn’t elected, it would have been GONE by now! Sleepy Joe didn’t have a clue as to what he was doing, but Springsteen is ‘dumb as a rock,’ and couldn’t see what was going on, or could he (which is even worse!)?

“This dried out ‘prune’ of a rocker (his skin is all atrophied!) ought to KEEP HIS MOUTH SHUT until he gets back into the Country, that’s just ‘standard fare.’ Then we’ll all see how it goes for him!”……

Trump erupts at ‘obnoxious’ Bruce Springsteen: ‘Dried out prune of a rocker’

The musician recently railed against the ‘corrupt, incompetent and treasonous’ Trump administration at a gig in Manchester

www.independent.co.uk

 

[Dragon]

Donald Trump has lashed out after Bruce Springsteen branded his administration “corrupt, incompetent and treasonous.”

Springsteen, 75, was performing at Co-op Live in Manchester, England earlier this week when he delivered several monologues railing against the Trump administration, DOGE cuts and ICE deportations.

On his own social media platform Truth Social,the President of the United States, 78, responded: “I see that Highly Overrated Bruce Springsteen goes to a Foreign Country to speak badly about the President of the United States.


“Never liked him, never liked his music, or his Radical Left Politics and, importantly, he’s not a talented guy — Just a pushy, obnoxious JERK, who fervently supported Crooked Joe Biden, a mentally incompetent FOOL, and our WORST EVER President, who came close to destroying our Country.

“If I wasn’t elected, it would have been GONE by now! Sleepy Joe didn’t have a clue as to what he was doing, but Springsteen is ‘dumb as a rock,’ and couldn’t see what was going on, or could he (which is even worse!)?

“This dried out ‘prune’ of a rocker (his skin is all atrophied!) ought to KEEP HIS MOUTH SHUT until he gets back into the Country, that’s just ‘standard fare.’ Then we’ll all see how it goes for him!”……

Trump erupts at ‘obnoxious’ Bruce Springsteen: ‘Dried out prune of a rocker’

The musician recently railed against the ‘corrupt, incompetent and treasonous’ Trump administration at a gig in Manchester

www.independent.co.uk

That Trump statement kinda sounds like a threat towards Springsteen....

 

[Dragon]

If it were that easy it would already have been done. That is where we are. Some politicians, a few, would welcome higher standards. But it isn’t a majority in either party. If they were it would already be done.

I asked you a hypothetical question re: Barron Trump. I’m interested in your thoughts if you care to answer. How would a similar situation be handled in Denmark? How would you recommend we handle such a situation in this country.

It IS that easy. Bidens last budget contained massive investments in equipment and manpower to the IRS. One of the first things Trump removed. Wonder why he doesn't want billionaires taxes examined...

 

[cuddlemonkey]

Your point with Thomas is well taken and no it’s not that different. Such an association with Thomas caused people rightfully to question his independence. That’s the point.

As far as Barron, we are not in Denmark. In this country you don’t need to be an athlete to have an NIL contract and it would be argued I’m sure that the 2 million number isn’t unreasonable. Such NIL contracts exist. People can and would argue they are comparable.

It would be an excuse of course. But the parties will use and exploit such tactics to avoid addressing the obvious conflicts of interest. That is the point. That is where we are. That is why we need clear unambiguous standards and everyone has to agree to follow those standards and pledge not to defend or make excuses when they are breached. That is what is lacking here. That is why nothing here will change. Republicans don’t trust Dems and Dems don’t trust Republicans. Both parties will circle the wagons to protect their own and to preserve their political power. It isn’t about what is good and ethical for the citizens of this country. It is all about political power.

College athletes with NIL deals use their name recognition and talent to sell Gatorade and Nike. What is Barron selling in this scenario? Take your time...

 

[Lapaz]

The reason it will never be zero is because we allow it in the first place. But to your point, how much corruption per leader is acceptable? So it isn’t zero, what should it be? If there is no line to toe, how do you enforce a standard that does not exist?

That is where we are.

It’s matter of economics. Tax evasion is corrupt and offers a similar problem. It will never be zero, but there is a diminishing return the closer you get to zero. Every law is the same, even murder. You can increase penalties and enforcement at great cost in many ways to society, or you can accept that some people will get away with low levels of corruption. When they’re caught, they should get punished, but it isn’t worth going after all to reduce it to zero.

Trump’s corruption is on a huge scale, so it merits the cost of enforcement, but he is doing everything he can to avoid being stopped and held accountable.

 

[TampaJoe]

It IS that easy. Bidens last budget contained massive investments in equipment and manpower to the IRS. One of the first things Trump removed. Wonder why he doesn't want billionaires taxes examined...

Taxes aren’t the same as setting ethical standards. Apples and oranges.

 

[Lapaz]

Which companies did Hunter found and successfully lead? Were those companies and his expertise, in the same industry as Burisma? He was selling access to his father wasn’t he? The sitting VP at the time. If his father was aware his son was being paid by Burisma, we he conflicted?

This is the same ethical issue faced by Justice Thomas and his wife’s position as a conservative activist.

As for Barron, his name image and likeness may very well be worth something to a foreign power trying to expand or get a foothold in this country? They could make that argument. There are NIL contracts with college athletes of 2 million.

See my post about what is worth enforcing. Why does it matter if Hunter founded a company? Probably every famous person’s child in the country, nay the world, has profited off of their name.

Thomas’ ethics violations are orders of magnitude more important, because his decisions actually impact every American. To compare the two is like comparing the effect of a jay walker to someone driving around the country running people over. That’s why crimes are categorized by severity and punishment is commensurate with the gravity of the offense.