Ruth Bader Ginsburg has passed (Replaced by Amy Coney Barrett)(Now Abortion Discussion) (1 Viewer)

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    cuddlemonkey said:
    Not at all. You just misrepresent it because you have no actual facts to support your position. Either that, or you think the ability to care for a family, make a living, or get an education is just part of a woman's social calendar.
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    So those are not the medical emergency and incest rape cases I have been hearing about then?
    I wonder who many married women have abortions compared to single? A single mom can't work, or go to school? You must have a very low opinion of women.
     
    Farb said:
    So those are not the medical emergency and incest rape cases I have been hearing about then?
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    I've never said that abortions should be limited to medical emergencies, incest, and rape.

    Farb said:
    I wonder who many married women have abortions compared to single? A single mom can't work, or go to school? You must have a very low opinion of women.
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    A single mom can work and go to school, but it becomes exponentially harder when trying to raise a newborn at the same time. Do you think that having a child has any impact on a single woman's ability to go to work or school?
     
    Farb said:
    So, now, babies have to get consent to be born? How is that done? LOL
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    Yes. They have to have consent to be carried to term. That's what owning your own body means.
    It's done by the woman every minute that she doesn't seek to end her pregnancy.
     
    cuddlemonkey said:
    I've never said that abortions should be limited to medical emergencies, incest, and rape.



    A single mom can work and go to school, but it becomes exponentially harder when trying to raise a newborn at the same time. Do you think that having a child has any impact on a single woman's ability to go to work or school?
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    You did not. That is the 'gotcha' that you all like to play with those that are against destroying innocent life.

    Of course it makes it more difficult. Having a dog make going to work or school more difficult but as a parent, you make sacrifices. I know we live in a society that is all about personal gratification and worship of the self, I just think it a weak way to live.
     
    MT15 said:
    More straw here than the first little pig.
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    How and why? This is the argument you all use. Where does it stop? When does murder become murder and not 'self expression'?
     
    Taurus said:
    Yes. They have to have consent to be carried to term. That's what owning your own body means.
    It's done by the woman every minute that she doesn't seek to end her pregnancy.
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    Does the child get consent as well?
     
    Farb said:
    You did not. That is the 'gotcha' that you all like to play with those that are against destroying innocent life.
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    You see boogeymen everywhere. I've been consistent with my position every time I have commented on this topic. I'm not trying to getcha. I'm trying to have an intellectually honest debate, but you are incapable, as evidenced by this:

    Farb said:
    Of course it makes it more difficult. Having a dog make going to work or school more difficult but as a parent, you make sacrifices. I know we live in a society that is all about personal gratification and worship of the self, I just think it a weak way to live.
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    You are equating women wanting to support their families, better their own lives, and increase their chances of being able to support themselves and their potential future children as personal gratification and self-worship. Do you think that everyone who works full time or seeks higher education is just in it for personal gratification?
     
    cuddlemonkey said:
    You see boogeymen everywhere. I've been consistent with my position every time I have commented on this topic. I'm not trying to getcha. I'm trying to have an intellectually honest debate, but you are incapable, as evidenced by this:



    You are equating women wanting to support their families, better their own lives, and increase their chances of being able to support themselves and their potential future children as personal gratification and self-worship. Do you think that everyone who works full time or seeks higher education is just in it for personal gratification?
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    Your right, I have never been asked about those specific 'what ifs' on this thread.

    At the sake of their children? Yes, I do. If it is a sacrifice for their children, to provide a better a life, then no. If that goal requires you to kill your child, then you are a very evil person, in my intellectually dishonest opinion.
     
    Taurus said:
    Doesn't matter. Do *you* get a vote whether to continue having sex or does her "no" mean you've got to stop, regardless?
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    Is her consent tied directly to my right to live? If we stop having sex, in your weird scenario, does that mean I get my arms and legs removed, my spine cut and vacuumed away or a poison injected into my heart before being disassembled and vacuumed out?
     
    Farb said:
    Is her consent tied directly to my right to live? If we stop having sex, in your weird scenario, does that mean I get my arms and legs removed, my spine cut and vacuumed away or a poison injected into my heart before being disassembled and vacuumed out?
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    Are you a non-sentient, inviable fetus while you’re having sex?
     

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