Grinch tries to steal Christmas, stands in front of elementary school with 'Santa Is Fake' sign (1 Viewer)

[fooferdoggie]

Another butt crevasse Christian forcing his faith on others. Like Christians don't lie.
"I understand why they’re upset," Grisham said. "They’re upset because they’re prideful and don’t want to admit that lying to their child is wrong in spite of what God’s word says. They’re more concerned with the traditions of men rather than the truth. And they double down on the lie because of pride and they are angry because they want to blame the person telling the truth than the one who told the lie that prompted the truth to expose the lie."

"They don’t want to be seen as a liar in the eyes of their child. But the facts say they are."

ABC 7 News also asked Grisham why he would choose to ruin the "magic" of Christmas for kids.

"I’m not concerned about the “magic” of Christmas but the MIRACLE of Christmas in the virgin birth of Jesus Christ," said Grisham.

Sleepy Hollow Principal Kelsey Williams said Grisham was "unwanted and uninvited."

Grinch tries to steal Christmas, stands in front of elementary school with 'Santa Is Fake' sign

The Grinch tried to steal Christmas. Dressed as The Grinch, David Grisham carried a sign during the morning drop-off at Sleepy Hollow Elementary.

abc7amarillo.com

 

[zztop]

"I’m not concerned about the “magic” of Christmas but the MIRACLE of Christmas in the virgin birth of Jesus Christ,"

oh the irony

 

[samiam5211]

I would rather tell my 4 year old that santa is real than explain to them what a virgin is.

 

[BullSheetBuddha]

If Texas has a red flag law should this trigger it?

 

[Optimus Prime]

Started a thread long ago on EE about stuff like this

This makes me so mad

Santa Claus

I have a co-worker who has 2 kids aged 5 and 7.The other day I say something about Christmas and something along the lines of "Are your kids excited about Santa coming?"She says that her kids don't believe in Santa and goes off on this rant about it's a stupid fairy tale and how she never...

saintsreport.com

 

[Farb]

What a loser.

 

[Optimus Prime]

What a loser.

Actually agree with you

It’s a Christmas miracle

 

[BullSheetBuddha]

So it's wrong for KIDS to believe in Santa Claus, reindeer in the sky, gifts for everyone emanating from a single source, but it's OK for ADULTS to believe in virgin birth, rising from the dead, and a myriad of impossible miracles.

 

[samiam5211]

So it's wrong for KIDS to believe in Santa Claus, reindeer in the sky, gifts for everyone emanating from a single source, but it's OK for ADULTS to believe in virgin birth, rising from the dead, and a myriad of impossible miracles.

I still think all of this started because Mary had to make something up to explain to Joseph how she got pregnant.

Jesus probably had a striking resemblance to one of the three wise men.

 

[Lapaz]

Started a thread long ago on EE about stuff like this

This makes me so mad

Santa Claus

I have a co-worker who has 2 kids aged 5 and 7.The other day I say something about Christmas and something along the lines of "Are your kids excited about Santa coming?"She says that her kids don't believe in Santa and goes off on this rant about it's a stupid fairy tale and how she never...

saintsreport.com

I wonder how this person would feel if someone stood in front of their Christian school telling their kids that god or the virgin birth are fairy tales?

 

[SystemShock]

My Lord and Saviour Christopher Hitchens on the virgin Mary:

 

[fooferdoggie]

I wonder how this person would feel if someone stood in front of their Christian school telling their kids that god or the virgin birth are fairy tales?

a parent would shoot them they pray for forgiveness.

 

[CoolBrees]

I still think all of this started because Mary had to make something up to explain to Joseph how she got pregnant.

Jesus probably had a striking resemblance to one of the three wise men.

I have made this argument so many times.

What's more realistic?

God impregnated a virgin with his only son, sent to save humanity, or a woman had sex (even against her will) got pregnant and told a lie to keep herself from being killed.

And if he buys that line? You have to live it. Every day forever. Which means the kid is going to be raised thinking it. Talk about an omega complex. "What is the harm?" She must have thought. "Who's gonna know or care anyways?"

I mean if he existed at all

 

[samiam5211]

I have made this argument so many times.

What's more realistic?

God impregnated a virgin with his only son, sent to save humanity, or a woman had sex (even against her will) got pregnant and told a lie to keep herself from being killed.

And if he buys that line? You have to live it. Every day forever. Which means the kid is going to be raised thinking it. Talk about an omega complex. "What is the harm?" She must have thought. "Who's gonna know or care anyways?"

I mean if he existed at all

yea, since they weren't married yet, it could have been Joseph's baby, but they still needed a cover story.

 

[SystemShock]

I have made this argument so many times.

What's more realistic?

God impregnated a virgin with his only son, sent to save humanity, or a woman had sex (even against her will) got pregnant and told a lie to keep herself from being killed.

And if he buys that line? You have to live it. Every day forever. Which means the kid is going to be raised thinking it. Talk about an omega complex. "What is the harm?" She must have thought. "Who's gonna know or care anyways?"

I mean if he existed at all

An aspect that is usually ignored, is the number of stories of deities, and even humans, who have been born to virgins, the result of divine/non-sexual impregnations, which predate the Jesus birth story. Even in Aztec culture, the are two deities said to be born of virgins, divinely impregnated.

So, really, what is most likely is that, whoever invented the Jesus character, just copied the story from another religion, as it is the case with other "highlights" of Jesus' life, like walking on water, water to wine, raising the dead, crucifixion, etc.

 

[BullSheetBuddha]

I still think all of this started because Mary had to make something up to explain to Joseph how she got pregnant.

Jesus probably had a striking resemblance to one of the three wise men.

Man's long history of stories with "virgin" births:

There's nothing new about virgin births (just ask Plato)

Reports of virgin births pre-date the Christmas story and are found in many cultures. Perhaps may of them have a more tragic explanation than divine intervention.

www.smh.com.au

Julia Baird’s opinion piece on Christmas Eve reminded me of how the virgin birth story has been written by men. The woman’s side of the story has received scant attention.
Regardless, there’s nothing new about virgin births. History is littered with them.

A virgin rollcall might include Romulus and Remus, twin founders of Rome, born of the virgin Rhea Silvia. In ancient Egypt, Ra (the Sun) was born of a virgin mother, Net; Horus was the son of the virgin Isis.

The Phrygo-Roman god, Attis, was born of a virgin, Nana, on December 25. It resonates because he went on to be killed and was resurrected.

In ancient Greece, Dionysos was the son of either the virgin Semele or the virgin Persephone. Persephone was also the virgin mother of Jason. And Plato’s mother, Perictione, was a virgin.
The list goes on. Hinduism, Buddhism and ancient China all have their share of them and none is more or less believable than any other myth, fable or symbol.

Virgin births are all about the hymen, a membrane, and whether or not it is intact.
Throughout the ages, virginity has been big business. For instance, in 17th century Venice, muslin bags were stuffed with mashed hearts of hares and inserted in the cavity on the wedding night so that the nuptial bedsheets were stained with blood to demonstrate the newlywed bride was a virgin. By passing the bloodied-sheet test the bride proved she was worth every ducat of her dowry. In those pre-DNA days, it also dispensed with any future disputes about the legitimacy of heirs.

But there’s a dark underbelly to virgin-birth stories. Claims of divine intervention aside, virgin births may have a more human explanation – a tragic demonstration of the extreme measures women have been forced to take to save themselves and their reputations.

 

[Booker]

I still think all of this started because Mary had to make something up to explain to Joseph how she got pregnant.

Jesus probably had a striking resemblance to one of the three wise men.

That would be far more believable, right?

And there was actually a second century Jewish polemic against Christianity that declared Jesus the bastage son of a Roman soldier. This is reflected in the medievel Bablyonian Talmud, where Jesus is referred to as both Jesus Ben Stada ('son of the unfaithful') and Jesus Ben Pandera ('son of Pandera,' probably meaning Panthera, i.e, 'Panther,' which was a nickname for Roman soldiers).

As System and BSB note, there were other religions at the time who told myths of virgin births, but in this case, when Matthew re-wrote Mark's Gospel and added the nativity story, he was drawing from Isaiah 7:14, where it originally read "Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign: The young woman ('almah') will conceive and give birth to a son, and will call him Immanuel." (Immanuel means "God is with us," and then Matthew later concludes his Gospel with Jesus saying "I am with you" -- clever!)

Anyway, 'almah' means "young woman of childbearing age," but when this passage was translated to Greek for the Septuagint (which was the text preferred by early Christian writers) it was translated as "virgin." That probably actually helped it fit better with the mythology of the day, and Matthew ran with it.

In the material written prior to Matthew, though, there's no record or mention of a virgin birth, and Paul even specifically says there are no signs.

[It just so happens, I just dropped few posts the other day in this thread discussing the literary inspirations in the Gospels and prior to that in Paul's beliefs -- https://madaboutpolitics.com/threads/if-you-dont-believe-there-was-a-jesus-you-are-stupid.272408/ -- if you can make it through, there's a pretty good plot twist in part 3.]

 

[LA 2 L.A.]

Another butt crevasse Christian forcing his faith on others. Like Christians don't lie.
"I understand why they’re upset," Grisham said. "They’re upset because they’re prideful and don’t want to admit that lying to their child is wrong in spite of what God’s word says. They’re more concerned with the traditions of men rather than the truth. And they double down on the lie because of pride and they are angry because they want to blame the person telling the truth than the one who told the lie that prompted the truth to expose the lie."

"They don’t want to be seen as a liar in the eyes of their child. But the facts say they are."

ABC 7 News also asked Grisham why he would choose to ruin the "magic" of Christmas for kids.

"I’m not concerned about the “magic” of Christmas but the MIRACLE of Christmas in the virgin birth of Jesus Christ," said Grisham.

Sleepy Hollow Principal Kelsey Williams said Grisham was "unwanted and uninvited."

Grinch tries to steal Christmas, stands in front of elementary school with 'Santa Is Fake' sign

The Grinch tried to steal Christmas. Dressed as The Grinch, David Grisham carried a sign during the morning drop-off at Sleepy Hollow Elementary.

abc7amarillo.com

But Grisham has no problem with perpetuating the lies that Jesus's miraculous birth was on Dec 25th or that Jesus (of Nazareth) was born with Caucasian features?