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Ladies & Gentleman...

I don't like making these types of announcements. I would prefer to work behind the scenes with the mods to eliminate issues, but that obviously isn't working.

We came into this MAP endeavor with a plan and a vision. A lot of time, hard work, and financial resources were put into this endeavor.

While I very much appreciate everyone that has gotten with the program and do enter into civil, meaningful, and good faith discussion, too many here refuse to either get on board, or support that vision, and instead have other ideas concerning their behavior, and it keeps spiraling out of control and setting us back to square one. Obviously, the gentle guidance without consequence method does not work. We now recognize that we are going to have to take a step back (or several) in order to move forward.

However, we will have this one civil political board on the internet where the opposition comes together, even if as a result that means that there is no one left posting on it and the rest are stuck posting on their own segmented boards, if at all. I am well aware of what I am risking here, and I also accept responsibility for allowing it to get out of hand through my own inaction, or lack of enforcement.

From this point on we require civil, and meaningful discourse and in good faith on the MCB. Note I wrote "require, and not "request". Those that are either unwilling or incapable of doing so should avoid posting on this board. There are many sites out there that will welcome your behavior. This is not one of them. Either get with the program and stick with the program, or seek political discussion with the opposition elsewhere

I am requiring members to stop attempting to get under the oppositions skin, stop the snide remarks and sniping, stop posting pointed or vitriolic sarcasm laced responses, and stop triggering and trolling one another. Beta testing is over. Patience with problem members is over. Trying to enlighten the few that are not bright enough to "get it" is over. There will be no more warnings, no more guidance, and no more allowing such violations to slide. Why? Because everyone that is posting here now has been here long enough to know what the expectations of the MCB are.

Sure! Debate your points and argue them passionately, but keep it civil and avoid any of the violations mentioned above. Proof your posts before hitting submit. If your post contains anything triggering or otherwise crosses the lines of acceptability, then edit it until it is up to standards. Ask yourselves... Is it relevant, is it civil, and is it respectful? If your post meets that criteria, only then should you click submit.

News for those of you that like to present their opinions as if fact. If you make an assertion on the MCB and present it as fact, you then must be prepared to back it up. No more entire threads filled with avoiding, dancing around answering, deflecting and telling members to do their own homework when that burden of proof is on the person making the assertion. When you practice such avoidance you lose credibility, leaving us with the perception that you are spreading misinformation. Good Faith means being "honest". That is an expectation on this board. So, if you are stating an opinion, make sure that you express that it is just that - an opinion, rather than inviting such challenges.

Moving forward, any time we see an instance of any of the above violations, we will issue infractions at minimum, and there is a very good chance that we will boot the offending members off of the MCB board. We do have a short list of members that regularly practice violating the rules, and we will skip any infractions with them and go straight to issuing MCB board or site bans. If those that are removed go to their affiliate boards complaining about it, then we will remove them from the site completely. There is zero tolerance for public undermining.

Harsh? Yes! But apparently that is what it is going to take to both get this board on track, as well as keep it that way. History here already shows that when we moderate members, many will observe the rules for a short period of time, yet before long they will revert back to the same behavior that got them moderated to begin with. We will have zero patience with them. Otherwise, If you are a member that encourages division on this board but otherwise observes the rules, you still need to strongly reconsider that approach.

There isn't much of a moderation presence here, but you can bet that in my waking hours I will be spending any spare time that I have reading posts on this board, as well as the others, and enforcing the site rules. I have had plenty of time to analyze nearly every member here. Be aware that "Whatabout so-and-so" is not a defense. Being "unaware" or "oblivious" of the either rules, or that your behavior is unacceptable otherwise, are not acceptable excuses.

We are going to set the table once again, and this time I expect it to remain set properly, as per our vision. Simply put! It's time to begin culling the herd.

Once again, those of you that came here to support our vision for this site and have maintained discipline throughout, I really appreciate you all and hope that you will bare with us, as there will be expected fallout from those that will lose their ability to continue behaving in a manner that we find unacceptable for this board, but in the end hopefully with you as our core we can make this thing work.

-Andrus
 

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Can some of you do me a favor and stop reporting posts that are weeks old, or made prior to my statement here? Thanks!

Also, While I realize that there are also a few on both sides itching to report your favorite members to hate from the other side, please wait until you have something moderation worthy to report and not report the really knit-picky stuff. I would appreciate that very much!
Yall should probably create some anti-reporting rules like how the NBA had to create anti-flopping rules to penalize the floppers. If you report a post that isn't deemed moderation worthy, the reporter gets put into timeout for 3 days. Call it the Ginobli rule. That way I can say some slick shirt like, "Where has @wardorican been? Oh, he got Ginobli'd for reporting people again."

Personally, I blame @Dragon and @RobF for introducing their fancy, smantsy European style posting into our beloved US of A posting game. All their posting using facts, credible sites and having common sense has made us soft! Hell in '92, I remember you could slur a poster, employ false equivalencies, use red herrings and strawman them all in one post and no one would bat an eye. The glory days!
 

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Yall should probably create some anti-reporting rules like how the NBA had to create anti-flopping rules to penalize the floppers. If you report a post that isn't deemed moderation worthy, the reporter gets put into timeout for 3 days. Call it the Ginobli rule. That way I can say some slick shirt like, "Where has @wardorican been? Oh, he got Ginobli'd for reporting people again."

Personally, I blame @Dragon and @RobF for introducing their fancy, smantsy European style posting into our beloved US of A posting game. All their posting using facts, credible sites and having common sense has made us soft! Hell in '92, I remember you could slur a poster, employ false equivalencies, use red herrings and strawman them all in one post and no one would bat an eye. The glory days!
Pffft... not me. ha.
 

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@Kiln you might want to check this out, even though you were supposed t5o have done that before ever posting in the first place.
 

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I’ve never seen that ad, FWIW. Are you searching databases lately? 🤔 😀
 
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What the hell is up with this ad being the biggest and on top of the page?View attachment 2367
I have no control over the ads. They are served by a 3rd party. Google mostly. Unless they contain something sexually explicit or otherwise break their own rules all that I can do is gripe.
 

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I have no control over the ads. They are served by a 3rd party. Google mostly. Unless they contain something sexually explicit or otherwise break their own rules all that I can do is gripe.
I know you don't have any control over the ads, I was just shocked at that being an ad at all. It's more like a description of what this site is and figured I'd bring it to your attention.
 

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I’ve never seen that ad, FWIW. Are you searching databases lately? 🤔 😀
Nope. The only things I search are usually stats for football and entering a specific addresses into the address bar to get a link to realtor.com or something like that for a house I'm writing the insurance on. It just kind of scared me that it looked like it was content of the site more than an ad. I mean, what the heck are they even advertising? I'm not clicking the link to find out if it ever appears again.
 

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Nope. The only things I search are usually stats for football and entering a specific addresses into the address bar to get a link to realtor.com or something like that for a house I'm writing the insurance on. It just kind of scared me that it looked like it was content of the site more than an ad. I mean, what the heck are they even advertising? I'm not clicking the link to find out if it ever appears again.
The ones that scare me is when I have a conversation with my wife or the kids, and no one has searched anything.. then suddenly I'm seeing ads for things we discussed.
 

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The ones that scare me is when I have a conversation with my wife or the kids, and no one has searched anything.. then suddenly I'm seeing ads for things we discussed.
I'm glad my work computer doesn't have a mic or camera or I'd probably be getting the same kinds of things you are.

I'm going to turn off the bandwidth theft device on my laptop at home which has both to see if that happens. Is there a way to turn off the mic and camera on a windows machine? Oftentimes, Cortana will pop up on my screen because of something said on television and that's kind of disturbing. I haven't used Cortana once and don't plan to.
 
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I know you don't have any control over the ads, I was just shocked at that being an ad at all. It's more like a description of what this site is and figured I'd bring it to your attention.
Right! None of what it said is true. Not sure of the purpose behind such an ad, but I haven't seen it and I certainly am not going to click on it if I do. It's probably some bogus software pitch.
 

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It is an ad for Truth Finder, which is an alleged background search website. That's why they say it has all that stuff.

A little bit of google searching shows that they spend a lot of money on advertising.
 

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I don't know where else to post this, but what board would I belong on if I'm not really a moderate, but I'm pretty liberal on half the issues and pretty conservative on the other half? I mean, I don't consider myself moderate on any one issue, but if you aggregate them all together, I'm probably around the middle.
 

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I don't know where else to post this, but what board would I belong on if I'm not really a moderate, but I'm pretty liberal on half the issues and pretty conservative on the other half? I mean, I don't consider myself moderate on any one issue, but if you aggregate them all together, I'm probably around the middle.
The moderate board hasn’t been very active, I would choose one of the other two boards if you are seeking more conversations. However, we don’t allow a lot of switching back and forth, so choose one you feel most comfortable with.
 
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