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    Very interesting article that isn't really political
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    How do you define the good old days?

    The plucky poll slingers at YouGov, who are consistently willing to use their elite-tier survey skills in service of measuring the unmeasurable, asked 2,000 adults which decade had the best and worst music, movies, economy and so forth, across 20 measures. But when we charted them, no consistent pattern emerged.

    We did spot some peaks: When asked which decade had the most moral society, the happiest families or the closest-knit communities, White people and Republicans were about twice as likely as Black people and Democrats to point to the 1950s. The difference probably depends on whether you remember that particular decade for “Leave it to Beaver,” drive-in theaters and “12 Angry Men” — or the Red Scare, the murder of Emmett Till and massive resistance to school integration.

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    “This was a time when Repubs were pretty much running the show and had reason to be happy,” pioneering nostalgia researcher Morris Holbrook told us via email. “Apparently, you could argue that nostalgia is colored by political preferences. Surprise, surprise.”

    And he’s right! But any political, racial or gender divides were dwarfed by what happened when we charted the data by generation. Age, more than anything, determines when you think America peaked.

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    So, we looked at the data another way, measuring the gap between each person’s birth year and their ideal decade. The consistency of the resulting pattern delighted us: It shows that Americans feel nostalgia not for a specific era, but for a specific age.

    The good old days when America was “great” aren’t the 1950s. They’re whatever decade you were 11, your parents knew the correct answer to any question, and you’d never heard of war crimes tribunals, microplastics or improvised explosive devices. Or when you were 15 and athletes and musicians still played hard and hadn’t sold out.

    Not every flavor of nostalgia peaks as sharply as music does. But by distilling them to the most popular age for each question, we can chart a simple life cycle of nostalgia............


     
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    Very interesting article that isn't really political
    ==================

    How do you define the good old days?

    The plucky poll slingers at YouGov, who are consistently willing to use their elite-tier survey skills in service of measuring the unmeasurable, asked 2,000 adults which decade had the best and worst music, movies, economy and so forth, across 20 measures. But when we charted them, no consistent pattern emerged.

    We did spot some peaks: When asked which decade had the most moral society, the happiest families or the closest-knit communities, White people and Republicans were about twice as likely as Black people and Democrats to point to the 1950s. The difference probably depends on whether you remember that particular decade for “Leave it to Beaver,” drive-in theaters and “12 Angry Men” — or the Red Scare, the murder of Emmett Till and massive resistance to school integration.

    1724358555906.png



    “This was a time when Repubs were pretty much running the show and had reason to be happy,” pioneering nostalgia researcher Morris Holbrook told us via email. “Apparently, you could argue that nostalgia is colored by political preferences. Surprise, surprise.”

    And he’s right! But any political, racial or gender divides were dwarfed by what happened when we charted the data by generation. Age, more than anything, determines when you think America peaked.

    1724358575743.png

    So, we looked at the data another way, measuring the gap between each person’s birth year and their ideal decade. The consistency of the resulting pattern delighted us: It shows that Americans feel nostalgia not for a specific era, but for a specific age.

    The good old days when America was “great” aren’t the 1950s. They’re whatever decade you were 11, your parents knew the correct answer to any question, and you’d never heard of war crimes tribunals, microplastics or improvised explosive devices. Or when you were 15 and athletes and musicians still played hard and hadn’t sold out.

    Not every flavor of nostalgia peaks as sharply as music does. But by distilling them to the most popular age for each question, we can chart a simple life cycle of nostalgia............


    It is interesting how experience and perceived experience colors belief structures. My brother-in-law and his best friend went to the same Catholic high school. My brother-in-law said he had a great experience and his best friend hated it. Who knows what was happening in each other’s lives that could cause a disparity like that. I think many times happiness can be self-created as well as self-destroyed. We are products of decisions we make as well as decisions others make that impact us. That includes beliefs held by parents, siblings and others that we come into contact with.
     
    I think that the whole “America is the greatest country in the world” meme started due to WW2 and, in particular, its aftermath. Our economy was basically the one truly functioning economy in the world on a large scale. Agitprop pushed the “we defeated the Nazis and Japs” myth (myth because we did not do it alone). We poured billions into rebuilding Europe and Japan while using that process to push the anti-communist Cold War narrative. We also built the garrison empire.

    What is ignored by the civic theologians is the deep seated affinity for RW authoritarianism as well as the equally deep seated racism and misogyny. The racism and misogyny derive, imo, from Puritanism and the rise of racism in Western Europe. For all the talk of the impact of the Enlightenment 18th century America bathed in racism and misogyny. Those things continue to plague the country.
     
    Very interesting article that isn't really political
    ==================

    How do you define the good old days?

    The plucky poll slingers at YouGov, who are consistently willing to use their elite-tier survey skills in service of measuring the unmeasurable, asked 2,000 adults which decade had the best and worst music, movies, economy and so forth, across 20 measures. But when we charted them, no consistent pattern emerged.

    We did spot some peaks: When asked which decade had the most moral society, the happiest families or the closest-knit communities, White people and Republicans were about twice as likely as Black people and Democrats to point to the 1950s. The difference probably depends on whether you remember that particular decade for “Leave it to Beaver,” drive-in theaters and “12 Angry Men” — or the Red Scare, the murder of Emmett Till and massive resistance to school integration.

    1724358555906.png



    “This was a time when Repubs were pretty much running the show and had reason to be happy,” pioneering nostalgia researcher Morris Holbrook told us via email. “Apparently, you could argue that nostalgia is colored by political preferences. Surprise, surprise.”

    And he’s right! But any political, racial or gender divides were dwarfed by what happened when we charted the data by generation. Age, more than anything, determines when you think America peaked.

    1724358575743.png

    So, we looked at the data another way, measuring the gap between each person’s birth year and their ideal decade. The consistency of the resulting pattern delighted us: It shows that Americans feel nostalgia not for a specific era, but for a specific age.

    The good old days when America was “great” aren’t the 1950s. They’re whatever decade you were 11, your parents knew the correct answer to any question, and you’d never heard of war crimes tribunals, microplastics or improvised explosive devices. Or when you were 15 and athletes and musicians still played hard and hadn’t sold out.

    Not every flavor of nostalgia peaks as sharply as music does. But by distilling them to the most popular age for each question, we can chart a simple life cycle of nostalgia............


    Spot on.. I was 13 when 9/11 happened and that's the great divide in my head.. ah, what I would give to go back to the time where I didn't know what a terrorist was.
     
    Very interesting article that isn't really political
    ==================

    How do you define the good old days?

    The plucky poll slingers at YouGov, who are consistently willing to use their elite-tier survey skills in service of measuring the unmeasurable, asked 2,000 adults which decade had the best and worst music, movies, economy and so forth, across 20 measures. But when we charted them, no consistent pattern emerged.

    We did spot some peaks: When asked which decade had the most moral society, the happiest families or the closest-knit communities, White people and Republicans were about twice as likely as Black people and Democrats to point to the 1950s. The difference probably depends on whether you remember that particular decade for “Leave it to Beaver,” drive-in theaters and “12 Angry Men” — or the Red Scare, the murder of Emmett Till and massive resistance to school integration.

    1724358555906.png



    “This was a time when Repubs were pretty much running the show and had reason to be happy,” pioneering nostalgia researcher Morris Holbrook told us via email. “Apparently, you could argue that nostalgia is colored by political preferences. Surprise, surprise.”

    And he’s right! But any political, racial or gender divides were dwarfed by what happened when we charted the data by generation. Age, more than anything, determines when you think America peaked.

    1724358575743.png

    So, we looked at the data another way, measuring the gap between each person’s birth year and their ideal decade. The consistency of the resulting pattern delighted us: It shows that Americans feel nostalgia not for a specific era, but for a specific age.

    The good old days when America was “great” aren’t the 1950s. They’re whatever decade you were 11, your parents knew the correct answer to any question, and you’d never heard of war crimes tribunals, microplastics or improvised explosive devices. Or when you were 15 and athletes and musicians still played hard and hadn’t sold out.

    Not every flavor of nostalgia peaks as sharply as music does. But by distilling them to the most popular age for each question, we can chart a simple life cycle of nostalgia............


    That's a very interesting article, and it's hard to argue with opinions of the various generations. There were always some bad things going on in every generation, but there were also good things to balance them off. Opinions on most of these things are very personal. On the other hand, the chart on crime shouldn't be based on generational experiences, because it is backed by evidence. Most people should recognize that awareness of crime isn't the same thing as an increase in crime. The Democrats got it closest, since they are aware that crime has gotten better consistently over the years, but that chart should be much steeper weighted to less crime now for both parties.

    The other chart that surprises me, and can probably be refuted with evidence, is that news has gotten more reliable. News today is far more partisan than it used to be, and it is filled with half-truths, and outright lies. It is also much more commercially influenced. We've lost most local newspapers, and local stations are owned by national conglomerates. I know there were always elements of this in national and local news, but I think there is probably evidence that the news was far more reliable decades ago. The only problem is whoever were to attempt to measure this would have to first agree on what is true. However, I think it is almost certainly far less reliable today that it was in generations past. The only thing we have going for us now is that we have so many more sources of information that it is hard to hide crimes, so we may uncover more crimes today, but the coverage of the crimes is not reliable.
     
    Very interesting article that isn't really political
    ==================

    How do you define the good old days?

    The plucky poll slingers at YouGov, who are consistently willing to use their elite-tier survey skills in service of measuring the unmeasurable, asked 2,000 adults which decade had the best and worst music, movies, economy and so forth, across 20 measures. But when we charted them, no consistent pattern emerged.

    We did spot some peaks: When asked which decade had the most moral society, the happiest families or the closest-knit communities, White people and Republicans were about twice as likely as Black people and Democrats to point to the 1950s. The difference probably depends on whether you remember that particular decade for “Leave it to Beaver,” drive-in theaters and “12 Angry Men” — or the Red Scare, the murder of Emmett Till and massive resistance to school integration.

    1724358555906.png



    “This was a time when Repubs were pretty much running the show and had reason to be happy,” pioneering nostalgia researcher Morris Holbrook told us via email. “Apparently, you could argue that nostalgia is colored by political preferences. Surprise, surprise.”

    And he’s right! But any political, racial or gender divides were dwarfed by what happened when we charted the data by generation. Age, more than anything, determines when you think America peaked.

    1724358575743.png

    So, we looked at the data another way, measuring the gap between each person’s birth year and their ideal decade. The consistency of the resulting pattern delighted us: It shows that Americans feel nostalgia not for a specific era, but for a specific age.

    The good old days when America was “great” aren’t the 1950s. They’re whatever decade you were 11, your parents knew the correct answer to any question, and you’d never heard of war crimes tribunals, microplastics or improvised explosive devices. Or when you were 15 and athletes and musicians still played hard and hadn’t sold out.

    Not every flavor of nostalgia peaks as sharply as music does. But by distilling them to the most popular age for each question, we can chart a simple life cycle of nostalgia............


    I was 11 in 1973. I believe it was the best year ever for music. If you disagree you are lost music wise. I will proceed
    to duck and hide.



    Aces high you lose
     
    I was 11 in 1973. I believe it was the best year ever for music. If you disagree you are lost music wise. I will proceed
    to duck and hide.



    Aces high you lose

    1973 was a great year, but an even better result of that year occurred in 1977. Straight flush, you lose.

     
    I think this premise that “America was great” is a flawed premise from Boomers that were raised on Leave It To Beaver or Father Knows Best.
    From Day 1, America was always a work in progress.
     
    I think this premise that “America was great” is a flawed premise from Boomers that were raised on Leave It To Beaver or Father Knows Best.
    From Day 1, America was always a work in progress.
    Okay, boomers never, ever thought America wasn’t a work in progress. I grew up with protests in the cities, the civil rights struggle and the war in Vietnam.
     
    I was 11 in 1973. I believe it was the best year ever for music. If you disagree you are lost music wise. I will proceed
    to duck and hide.



    Aces high you lose


    I think the period from 1967 - 1978 was the pinnacle of music for me.....because it was mostly about the instruments.....every year in that period different masterpieces were created rock, r&b, jazz/funk, bluegrass, fusion, prog, etc.....there will never be another time like it IMO.....
     
    Okay, boomers never, ever thought America wasn’t a work in progress. I grew up with protests in the cities, the civil rights struggle and the war in Vietnam.
    I was born in the leading edge Gen X and it's the same for everyone I grew up with. I don't know anyone that ever thought America was so great it couldn't be improved. Great does not mean perfect. Only extremists held or hold the extreme view that America is perfect.
     
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    I think the period from 1967 - 1978 was the pinnacle of music for me.....because it was mostly about the instruments.....every year in that period different masterpieces were created rock, r&b, jazz/funk, bluegrass, fusion, prog, etc.....there will never be another time like it IMO.....
    I truly miss the horn section. It was another voice.




     
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    I was born in the leading edge Gen X and the same for everyone I grew up with. I don't know anyone that ever thought America was so great it couldn't be improved. Great does not mean perfect. Only extremists held or hold the extreme view that America is perfect.
    How dare you interrupt a music refence .

    J/k mon frere
     
    I wore this tape out in my car - and no it wasn’t 8-track - it was cassette, lol

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    Hey, When the Levee Breaks is quite possibly the best song on that album. Yeah, I said it, lol.
     

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