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    By Laura Bassett

    After months of internal arguing among Democrats over whether to impeach President Donald Trump, the dam is finally breaking in favor of trying to remove him from office. The Washington Post reported that House Speaker Nancy Pelosi would announce a formal impeachment inquiry on Tuesday, following a bombshell report that Trump illegally asked Ukraine’s government to investigate former Vice President Joe Biden, one of his political opponents. (He essentially admitted to having done so over the weekend.)

    “Now that we have the facts, we’re ready,” Pelosi said Tuesday morning at a forum hosted by The Atlantic. At 5 p.m. the same day, she was back with more. "The actions taken to date by the president have seriously violated the constitution, especially when the president says Article Two says I can do whatever I want," referring to the segment of the Constitution that defines the power of the executive branch of the government. Pelosi's message was that checks and balances of those branches are just as central to the Constitution. And one more thing: "Today, I am announcing the House of Representatives is moving forward with an official impeachment inquiry," she said at a conference broadcast on Twitter by the Huffington Post. ...

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    Optimus Prime said:
    I’m sure they would have preferred that particular whistle was never blown
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    Sen. Ron Johnson (R-Wis.) said Sunday that the Trump administration officials who provided information to the anonymous whistleblower about the president’s efforts to pressure Ukraine “exposed things that didn’t need to be exposed.”

    “This would have been far better off if we would’ve just taken care of this behind the scenes,” Johnson said in an interview on NBC News’s “Meet the Press.” “We have two branches of government. Most people, most people wanted to support Ukraine. We were trying to convince President Trump.”..............

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    I watched that today. Ron Johnson is left with making an argument that this should have stayed behind closed doors because he knows what Trump did was wrong. That was embarrassing and maybe the worst defense so far. It's basically the, "we should be able to commit crimes and people shouldn't tell on us" defense.
     
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    Optimus Prime said:
    I’m sure they would have preferred that particular whistle was never blown
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    “This would have been far better off if we would’ve just taken care of this behind the scenes,” Johnson said in an interview on NBC News’s “Meet the Press.” “We have two branches of government. Most people, most people wanted to support Ukraine. We were trying to convince President Trump.”..............

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    Who wants to be the one that tells him?
     
    Here is one other claim being repeated by both republicans and more than one poster on here that strikes me as false.

    “The Bidens were doing shady things in Ukraine and elsewhere.”

    If someone could please specify what Joe Biden did that was “shady” I would honestly appreciate it. I’ve asked before and never got anything other than “all politicians are shady”.

    I don’t care a bit what Hunter was doing, unless you can provide proof his dad was involved. Trump supporters shouldn’t be protesting about children trading on their father’s influence, in my opinion. Especially when there is zero proof that the son had any influence on his father’s official acts.
     
    MT15 said:
    Here is one other claim being repeated by both republicans and more than one poster on here that strikes me as false.

    “The Bidens were doing shady things in Ukraine and elsewhere.”

    If someone could please specify what Joe Biden did that was “shady” I would honestly appreciate it. I’ve asked before and never got anything other than “all politicians are shady”.

    I don’t care a bit what Hunter was doing, unless you can provide proof his dad was involved. Trump supporters shouldn’t be protesting about children trading on their father’s influence, in my opinion. Especially when there is zero proof that the son had any influence on his father’s official acts.
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    We've gone over this so many times - they don't have a reasonable substantive explanation because there isn't one. There's just no evidence or even a counter-narrative that Biden's work regarding Shokin was somehow aimed to relieve Hunter Biden from any jeopardy. The only reason they're hanging on to it is because it potentially deflects attention (so it has potential defensive value) and because it's the narrative that Trump insists upon, so they're playing their role - as detached from reality as it may be.

    Hunter Biden has a fairly troubled history in the years after his brother's death and it might very well be that he was being paid handsomely for the possibility of access to his father. This, unfortunately, happens (a company signed a $1.2M contract with Michael Cohen to get 'access' to the Trump administration) and if there's any wrongdoing, the Justice Department is entirely capable of prosecuting it. But it's wholly unrelated to whether the president wrongfully used federal aid and other official/federal activity as leverage to seek to damage Biden and the DNC for 2020 purposes.
     
    An overwhelming 70% of Americans think President Donald Trump’s request to a foreign leader to investigate his political rival, which sits at the heart of the House of Representatives' impeachment inquiry, was wrong, a new ABC News/Ipsos poll finds.
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    The 30% base that everyone talks about may not move. However, if the 51% that says Trump should be impeached continues to climb to say 60%, Republicans in swing districts are going to start sweating.

    abcnews.go.com

    70% of Americans say Trump’s actions tied to Ukraine were wrong: POLL

    A slim majority of Americans, 51%, believe Trump’s actions were wrong and he should be impeached and removed from office.
    abcnews.go.com abcnews.go.com
     
    Optimus Prime said:
    I’m sure they would have preferred that particular whistle was never blown
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    Sen. Ron Johnson (R-Wis.) said Sunday that the Trump administration officials who provided information to the anonymous whistleblower about the president’s efforts to pressure Ukraine “exposed things that didn’t need to be exposed.”

    “This would have been far better off if we would’ve just taken care of this behind the scenes,” Johnson said in an interview on NBC News’s “Meet the Press.” “We have two branches of government. Most people, most people wanted to support Ukraine. We were trying to convince President Trump.”..............

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    I saw this live on Meet the Press and literally laughed out loud.

    "We should have just tried to bribe them behind the scenes!" Ummm, that's exactly what you were trying. The only reason you didn't succeed is because you had to release the aid two days after the whistle blower blew the whistle (or they became aware of it).
     
    Nebaghead said:
    So it looks like the house is looking into Trumps written answer to Mueller's investigation. Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't lying in a sworn testimony considered perjury?

    https://www.cnn.com/2019/11/18/politics/house-investigating-trump-lying-to-mueller/index.html
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    I'm pretty certain it is. It's the same as if he were being questioned in person and lied.

    And considering his lawyers wrote all the answers for him, if they get caught lying, they suck at their jobs.
     
    Nebaghead said:
    So it looks like the house is looking into Trumps written answer to Mueller's investigation. Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't lying in a sworn testimony considered perjury?

    https://www.cnn.com/2019/11/18/politics/house-investigating-trump-lying-to-mueller/index.html
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    Yes, written responses to the investigation come with penalty of perjury. The only way around that would be for the investigation to agree to waive that requirement but that would be dumb and defeat the purpose.

    Of course, a sitting president won't be prosecuted for perjury - which is where impeachment comes in.
     
    "So the president lied under oath. What's the big deal? Everyone in Washington lies under oath. What we should really be investigating is why the investigators even bothered to question the president. This deep state conspiracy has got to stop."

    --Lindsey Graham, et al.
     
    brandon said:
    "So the president lied under oath. What's the big deal? Everyone in Washington lies under oath. What we should really be investigating is why the investigators even bothered to question the president. This deep state conspiracy has got to stop."

    --Lindsey Graham, et al.
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    Coming from the guy who voted to impeach Clinton for perjury. Hypocrisy has no bounds.
     
    LA - L.A. said:
    Trump was either smart enough or advised to give the perjury proof answer of "I don't recall."
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    Saw a legal opinion that “I don’t recall” isn’t perjury proof. If it was, no one would ever be convicted of perjury. Defer to one of our lawyers to explain, as I don’t really have a good handle on it.
     
    This week will see the testimony of those "closest" to the events.

    Jennifer Williams (Pence aide) and Lt. Col. Vindman (NSC) testify this morning and they were listening on the July 25 call. Kurt Volker was the US Special Rep. to Ukraine this past summer before his resignation in late September - he is expected to testify fairly favorably for Trump.

    Tomorrow will see Sondland (Amb. to EU) and Laura Cooper (ASD-DOD).

    Friday will see Fiona Hill (NSC) and David Holmes (US Emb. in Kiev). In Holmes's deposition, he testified that Sondland told him that Trump was tying Ukraine aid to the investigation and it was all for Trump's own political purposes. It is believed that Holmes's testimony is what prompted Sondland to issue amendments to his deposition testimony - and that will all likely be part of Sondland's questioning on Wednesday.

    https://www.politico.com/news/2019/11/18/impeachment-hearings-schedule-071406
     
    V Chip said:
    You’re flat out wrong. Just because other people are as wrong about something as you are proves nothing.

    The Mueller investigation showed there was wrongdoing, full stop. It showed that Trump obstructed the investigation on 10 separate occasions and has resulted in the conviction of many others associated with the campaign. If that’s a witch hunt, then your definition of witch hunt is as wrong as your take on the Mueller report/investigation.

    And the word I highlighted is incorrect as well.
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    I'm flat out wrong, you say? Let's see what the whistleblower's attorney says.

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    Yeah, his tweets tell me I'm right about a lot of things . . . #coup #rebellion . . . etc.

    As for the word you highlighted, although it does have various meanings and shades of meanings, it is most often used to denote a degree from an institute of higher education. If you took it to mean something else, I can see where it might be confusing to you.

    Have a great day, V-Chip.
     

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