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Farb said:

Yes, but more to the point, as each state being a little 'experimental city states' of democracy. That is why most left run cities and states are nightmares.

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The Deep South is near bottom tier in just about every objective positive metric and yet those states have been controlled by GOP majorities (if not super majorities) for quite a while now. Crime rate is one thing, but I'm talking more like economic prosperity and education (which one could argue has an impact on the crime rate).

Maybe it's because outfits like the Alabama and Louisiana legislature are more concerned with fighting Critical Race Theory and transgender athletes then actually fixing things that matter.

Anyhoo... as you know, my broader point is that both the Senate and Electoral College suck regardless of what a bunch of rich landed gentry thought 250+ years ago. People don't like "the elites" controlling us now but don't seem to have a problem with the ones back then...

Good article
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Women didn’t exactly rush into the streets to celebrate the news last month that an improved contraceptive pill for men is in the works.

We’ve been waiting for men to help solve this problem for decades, so please forgive our skepticism.

First, we laughed at the idea of men taking any kind of medication that causes temporary infertility. And then we cried because we remembered that men will never be good at birth control until they can get pregnant.


Certainly, there has never been a better time for people with testes to step up and take some responsibility for contraception. According to a recent U.N. report, half of all pregnancies on our overcrowded planet are unintended. A male contraceptive could, if approved, reduce abortions and child poverty.

And in the United States, a pill for men should have more relevance now that access to abortion is being rapidly curtailed in many states.

The new male contraceptive works by targeting a specific protein important for cell growth, including sperm formation. Inhibiting this protein dramatically reduces sperm counts, and reportedly it is 99 percent effective.

And while the compound has only been tested on mice, there are no observable side effects so far. Four to six weeks after the mice stopped receiving the compound; they were able to father pups again. Human trials are planned for this fall.


Until that occurs, we have time to tackle a foundational issue or two. Let’s start with the big one: What exactly could entice the average guy to take a daily pill that does something mysterious to his sperm?

This might be the world’s greatest advertising challenge. “Temporary sterility” will never be an easy sell to an audience that is accustomed to being served up all kinds of marketing hustles for trucks, beverages and screen time that play to their masculinity. The only way you’d get guys to take that contraceptive pill, a male friend remarked, is if it also gives them an erection……

Farb said:

are you saying the crime rate is higher in right run states/'cities than the left run states and cities?

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Farb said:

My state is run by corrupt republicans so not good my guy. Not good. However, I would imagine the crime rate is night and day so safety of the citizen is higher in republican run states and cities.

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Farb said:

https://usabynumbers.com/cities-with-highest-crime-rate/

Well, that crazy. It seems the states numbers are dictated by the blue cities.

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Farb said:

Looks like the huge murder spike was due to BLM and defund the police. Do you think those organizations were active in local governments in conservative areas?

https://www.foxnews.com/us/black-americans-paid-enormous-price-for-defund-the-police-movement

Murders across the board spiked by nearly 30% in 2020 compared to the year prior, according to FBI data, marking the largest single-year increase in killings since the agency began tracking the crimes. Among Black Americans, the number of deaths spiked by more than 32% compared to 2019.

In 2019, at least 7,484 Black Americans were murdered. That number shot up to at least 9,941 murders in 2020, meaning there was an increase of 2,457 Black Americans murdered over the previous year.

The number of Black murders was also far higher than White murders in 2020. The FBI data shows there 7,043 White people murdered that year, meaning 2,898 more Black people were killed compared to Whites.

Is that rise propositional due to crime or population?

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You sure do bounce around a lot. Have you actually ever looked at the data on this? Like really looked?

Let's look at the top 100 cities in the US.

Here are their party affiliations.



https://ballotpedia.org/Party_affiliation_of_the_mayors_of_the_100_largest_cities

Two of the cities you linked have Republican Mayors and like 3-4 cities in that list aren't in the top 100.

Looking at the top 28, there are only two Republican Mayor cities, and one independent. Outside of Chicago, Houston, and Indy, per capita is all about the same, and many "DEMOCRAT CONTROLLED CITIES" are well below the crime rate of the two Republican ones. Also, The Murder rate of Jacksonville and Fort Worth are higher than Los Angeles and NYC.

Going to the top 59 (as far as I'm going), They still mostly seem to be about the same. Maybe a little better, but there are plenty of larger Democrat cities that have lower crime rates than smaller Republican controlled cities.

So, I'm just going to go out on a limb here and say, it doesn't have much of anything to do with party affiliation, but a lot more to do with Economic activity and opportunity. Detroit is a prime example of major industry pulling out decades ago, and you're watching the population shrink, economic opportunity shrink, and crime increase, thus crime rate, increases.






Speaking of Detroit.. From Wiki.. But, go ahead and keep telling us it's because Democrats are in power in Detroit and continue to completely ignore the economic and racial history.

Historically a major population center, Detroit has undergone a considerable reduction in population with the city losing over 60% of its population since 1950.[73] Detroit reached its population peak in the 1950 census at over 1.8 million people, and its population has decreased in each subsequent census. As of the 2010 census, the city has just over 700,000 residents, a total loss of 61% of its 1950 population.[74]

The vast majority of this population loss was due to the deindustrialization of Detroit that moved factories from the inner city to the suburbs. This was coupled with the phenomenon of white flight, the movement of many white families from urban areas of metro Detroit to the suburbs on the outskirts of the city. White flight was spurred on by the Great Migration, in which hundreds of thousands of blacks migrated from the South to Detroit in search of employment. This caused overcrowding in the inner city and led to racial housing segregation. Practices of redlining, mortgage discrimination, and racially restrictive covenants in Detroit further contributed to the overcrowding of certain minority groups residing in subsections of Detroit such as Black Bottom. Many of the white residents of Detroit did not wish to integrate with their black counterparts. They often chose to flee the city and reside in nicer, racially homogenous neighborhoods in the suburbs. This was also a result of an increased desire for homeownership.[42] A report, "The Population Revolution in Detroit," published in February 1963 by Wayne State University sociologist Albert J. Mayer, suggested flight to the suburbs was grounded as much in economics as race: "Present population trends clearly demonstrate that the city is, by and large, being abandoned by all except those who suffer from relatively great ... deprivations."[75] White families were in better positions to relocate into the suburbs, in juxtaposition with blacks who faced discrimination in home loans and in the real estate market.

Highway construction post-WWII also contributed to white flight, specifically with the construction of the Interstate Highway System. This allowed white families to easily commute to work in the city from the suburbs, and incentivized many white Detroiters to thus relocate.[76] The construction of highways in Detroit further exacerbated the pre-existing racial segregation, as government officials built highways through areas that were seen as blighted – typically black "ghettos" – that were under-financed and under-maintained.

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Darn it, Ward, your facts are getting in the way of Farb’s narrative.

wardorican said:

You sure do bounce around a lot. Have you actually ever looked at the data on this? Like really looked?

Let's look at the top 100 cities in the US.

Here are their party affiliations.

https://ballotpedia.org/Party_affiliation_of_the_mayors_of_the_100_largest_cities

Two of the cities you linked have Republican Mayors and like 3-4 cities in that list aren't in the top 100.

Looking at the top 28, there are only two Republican Mayor cities, and one independent. Outside of Chicago, Houston, and Indy, per capita is all about the same, and many "DEMOCRAT CONTROLLED CITIES" are well below the crime rate of the two Republican ones. Also, The Murder rate of Jacksonville and Fort Worth are higher than Los Angeles and NYC.

Going to the top 59 (as far as I'm going), They still mostly seem to be about the same. Maybe a little better, but there are plenty of larger Democrat cities that have lower crime rates than smaller Republican controlled cities.

So, I'm just going to go out on a limb here and say, it doesn't have much of anything to do with party affiliation, but a lot more to do with Economic activity and opportunity. Detroit is a prime example of major industry pulling out decades ago, and you're watching the population shrink, economic opportunity shrink, and crime increase, thus crime rate, increases.

Speaking of Detroit.. From Wiki.. But, go ahead and keep telling us it's because Democrats are in power in Detroit and continue to completely ignore the economic and racial history.

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Are you saying Jacksonville and Detroit are red cities/counties? They are not.

San Francesco for example has great economic opportunities but their rise is crime is large too.

The #1 for murder rate is Hampton Va- 70% democrat
#2- Fort Lauderdale- Liberal

Do Democrats have a monopoly on crime, no. Does their ACAB/BLM/Defund the Police rhetoric have disastrously bad outcomes f
or the poor or minority communities, I don't think that is even debatable any longer.

I'd think there are more factors to crime other than partisan leans. Is it really surprising that urban areas which have a denser amount of poor people living in smaller confines have higher crime rates? San Francisco might have great economic opportunities but it costs a small fortune to live there.

Farb said:

Are you saying Jacksonville and Detroit are red cities/counties? They are not.

San Francesco for example has great economic opportunities but their rise is crime is large too.

The #1 for murder rate is Hampton Va- 70% democrat
#2- Fort Lauderdale- Liberal

Do Democrats have a monopoly on crime, no. Does their ACAB/BLM/Defund the Police rhetoric have disastrously bad outcomes f
or the poor or minority communities, I don't think that is even debatable any longer.

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I most definitely did not say Detroit is a red city or county. I pointed out that the issue with crime in Detroit was more about massive economic decay.

Jacksonville is controlled by Republicans. It's a mixed electorate. And I'm sure it's bounced back and forth.

But for voters in Jacksonville, depending on how independents sway, it's a coin flip.



However, for the city council and Mayor, it's clearly Republican. Republican Mayor and the city council has 6 democrats and 13 republicans serving. So, that's not Republican control?

Looking at presidential elections, it's been a coin flip. Basically, they seem to always vote with whomever won, but by very small margins.

So, ACAB... you talking historic? Like, at least 1980's skinheads? (realizing the term is from the 1920s england, but we'll stick to this side of the pond). That's not democrats. If you're only talking since 2020 and George Floyd... um, ok. Are the last two years that drastically different? Are there no recent economic, or cost issues going on? Let's dig a little deeper.

Defund the police has suddenly changed the murder rate? or more like people stuck with no job, or everything is more expensive and people have less hope.

If you stopped with the petty R's good, D's bad stuff, I think we'd actually have a lot in common when you stop politicizing everything.

Oh, and you really need to spend a few more seconds reading before you post complete utter nonsense. And people know me, I'm not this savage (and I'm really not that savage now... even though I want to be). But your rebuttal is complete trash. You likely looked at this CBS link, using 2019 murder rates. Which is the same data I already posted, just ordered differently.


Hampton is 65th!!!! it's just the top of the list. It's a count DOWN. Fort Lauderdale is the 64th most violent city according to that link. Number 1 in your program, but number 65 on the charts, kids... Jacksonville, is 45th on that list. So, yes, Republican Jacksonville murders more people than Super Democrat Fort Lauderdale, per capita.

However, all that being said, we finally agree. Democrats do not have a monopoly on crime, so just stop with that rhetoric. Why is crime bad? I really don't think events in the last two years really is the full explanation. it didn't help, but there is like 70 years, minimum, worth of stuff that has happened, especially up north. Those black southern had the gall to move up north for economic opportunity, only to get the cold shoulder, and watch the economy just move away. You can't ignore that as a deep rooted issue.

Oh, and overall violent crime has trended downwards in SF the last 40 years.

https://www.sfchronicle.com/crime/article/San-Francisco-crime-rate-17065509.php

But a lot of cities have seen a slight uptick in murders.

wardorican said:

Oh, and overall violent crime has trended downwards in SF the last 40 years.

https://www.sfchronicle.com/crime/article/San-Francisco-crime-rate-17065509.php

But a lot of cities have seen a slight uptick in murders.

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I theorize the pandemic had a lot to do with the uptick in murders recently. People spent more time at home in the last two years. And bought more guns. Guns make it easy to kill someone in a rage. I would be interested in if these murders are more domestic or involve strangers.

wardorican said:

Oh, and overall violent crime has trended downwards in SF the last 40 years.

https://www.sfchronicle.com/crime/article/San-Francisco-crime-rate-17065509.php

But a lot of cities have seen a slight uptick in murders.

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It trended down in the last 2 years since Boudin was elected? Doubt that.

Don't worry, I would hardly call your response 'savage' but it is cute you think so. My posts have been called far worse than trash. I think I have even called some of my posts worse than trash.

wardorican said:

I most definitely did not say Detroit is a red city or county. I pointed out that the issue with crime in Detroit was more about massive economic decay.

Jacksonville is controlled by Republicans. It's a mixed electorate. And I'm sure it's bounced back and forth.

But for voters in Jacksonville, depending on how independents sway, it's a coin flip.

However, for the city council and Mayor, it's clearly Republican. Republican Mayor and the city council has 6 democrats and 13 republicans serving. So, that's not Republican control?

Looking at presidential elections, it's been a coin flip. Basically, they seem to always vote with whomever won, but by very small margins.

So, ACAB... you talking historic? Like, at least 1980's skinheads? (realizing the term is from the 1920s england, but we'll stick to this side of the pond). That's not democrats. If you're only talking since 2020 and George Floyd... um, ok. Are the last two years that drastically different? Are there no recent economic, or cost issues going on? Let's dig a little deeper.

Defund the police has suddenly changed the murder rate? or more like people stuck with no job, or everything is more expensive and people have less hope.

If you stopped with the petty R's good, D's bad stuff, I think we'd actually have a lot in common when you stop politicizing everything.

Oh, and you really need to spend a few more seconds reading before you post complete utter nonsense. And people know me, I'm not this savage (and I'm really not that savage now... even though I want to be). But your rebuttal is complete trash. You likely looked at this CBS link, using 2019 murder rates. Which is the same data I already posted, just ordered differently.

Murder map: Deadliest U.S. cities

You might be surprised by the murder rates in major cities across the U.S.

www.cbsnews.com

Hampton is 65th!!!! it's just the top of the list. It's a count DOWN. Fort Lauderdale is the 64th most violent city according to that link. Number 1 in your program, but number 65 on the charts, kids... Jacksonville, is 45th on that list. So, yes, Republican Jacksonville murders more people than Super Democrat Fort Lauderdale, per capita.

However, all that being said, we finally agree. Democrats do not have a monopoly on crime, so just stop with that rhetoric. Why is crime bad? I really don't think events in the last two years really is the full explanation. it didn't help, but there is like 70 years, minimum, worth of stuff that has happened, especially up north. Those black southern had the gall to move up north for economic opportunity, only to get the cold shoulder, and watch the economy just move away. You can't ignore that as a deep rooted issue.

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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...e-surged-Minneapolis-George-Floyds-death.html

• Of the 5,426 violent crimes recorded in Minneapolis last year, 83 of them were homicides, according to the city's police crime statistic data
• It is only the second highest number of homicides since 1995 when a record 97 homicides were recorded
• That record 1995 figure resulted in the city being branded 'Murderapolis' by national media
• Violent crime was already trending upward in the first half of 2020 but really spiked after Floyd was killed by Minneapolis police officer Derek Chauvin
• Crime rates this year are already surging with 1,398 violent crimes reported
• Twenty four of the violent crimes in the first four months of this year have been homicides
• Last week, there were 107 violent crimes reported across the city, which is up from the 60 that occurred in the same week in 2020
• Police in Minneapolis are already predicting a return to 'Murderapolis' this year

https://www.foxnews.com/us/minneapo...rampant-crime-advances-to-state-supreme-court

"A lawsuit brought by a group of Minneapolis residents claiming they have been subjected to "rampant crime" since George Floyd’s death and the rise of the defund police movement prompted rampant staffing shortages will advance to the state Supreme Court and a hearing has been set for June.

The Minnesota Supreme Court on Tuesday granted the Upper Midwest Law Center’s (UMLC) petition for review of the Minnesota Court of Appeals’ recent decision that Mayor Jacob Frey has no duty to hire a single police officer despite the city charter’s police-to-population ratio requirement."

ACAB, yes, I am talking about the 1980 skin heads in England. LOL. But thanks for the useless history lesson. We are all impressed what NPR has brought out to you.

So, are you saying ACAB didn't exist here in the US and combined with the Democratic party slogan of 'Defund the police' had no impact on crime or only that 'both sides' are responsible for he defund the police movement. Is there an ANTIFA in this country or is that a right wing conspiracy theory too?

Is the point of the political message board not to discuss politics and politics usually form up on 2 different side, would you not agree?

MT15 said:

I theorize the pandemic had a lot to do with the uptick in murders recently. People spent more time at home in the last two years. And bought more guns. Guns make it easy to kill someone in a rage. I would be interested in if these murders are more domestic or involve strangers.

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https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/apr/22/us-gun-violence-leading-cause-of-death-youth
"Gun violence overtook car accidents as the leading cause of death among children and adolescents in the US in 2020, according to a report from the University of Michigan.

The finding was published in the New England Journal of Medicine on Wednesday as part of longer term research effort from the university’s Institute for Firearm Injury Prevention (IFIP).

An analysis of mortality data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) revealed a nearly 30% increase in gun-related deaths among Americans up to age 19 between 2019 and 2020, the researchers said. These deaths include incidents of suicide, accidental shootings and homicides, with homicides outpacing the other two categories."
"The rise in shooting deaths among the nation’s youngest is part of a larger increase in homicides in that same time period. Gun homicides across the US rose 33% in 2020, according to the study. This increase was disparately felt by Black Americans, who despite making up 14% of the US population accounted for nearly half of the nation’s homicide victims, according to FBI data released in the fall of 2021.

Although 2020 marked the first year that more children and teens were killed by guns than in car accidents, gun violence has been the number one cause of death among Black teenage boys over 15 for at least a decade, according to CDC data."


It looks like gun are not going around killing people at random but people are killing people with guns.

Farb said:

It trended down in the last 2 years since Boudin was elected? Doubt that.

Don't worry, I would hardly call your response 'savage' but it is cute you think so. My posts have been called far worse than trash. I think I have even called some of my posts worse than trash.

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Click on the link and look at the pretty graphs.

Farb said:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...e-surged-Minneapolis-George-Floyds-death.html

• Of the 5,426 violent crimes recorded in Minneapolis last year, 83 of them were homicides, according to the city's police crime statistic data
• It is only the second highest number of homicides since 1995 when a record 97 homicides were recorded
• That record 1995 figure resulted in the city being branded 'Murderapolis' by national media
• Violent crime was already trending upward in the first half of 2020 but really spiked after Floyd was killed by Minneapolis police officer Derek Chauvin
• Crime rates this year are already surging with 1,398 violent crimes reported
• Twenty four of the violent crimes in the first four months of this year have been homicides
• Last week, there were 107 violent crimes reported across the city, which is up from the 60 that occurred in the same week in 2020
• Police in Minneapolis are already predicting a return to 'Murderapolis' this year

https://www.foxnews.com/us/minneapo...rampant-crime-advances-to-state-supreme-court

"A lawsuit brought by a group of Minneapolis residents claiming they have been subjected to "rampant crime" since George Floyd’s death and the rise of the defund police movement prompted rampant staffing shortages will advance to the state Supreme Court and a hearing has been set for June.

The Minnesota Supreme Court on Tuesday granted the Upper Midwest Law Center’s (UMLC) petition for review of the Minnesota Court of Appeals’ recent decision that Mayor Jacob Frey has no duty to hire a single police officer despite the city charter’s police-to-population ratio requirement."

ACAB, yes, I am talking about the 1980 skin heads in England. LOL. But thanks for the useless history lesson. We are all impressed what NPR has brought out to you.

So, are you saying ACAB didn't exist here in the US and combined with the Democratic party slogan of 'Defund the police' had no impact on crime or only that 'both sides' are responsible for he defund the police movement. Is there an ANTIFA in this country or is that a right wing conspiracy theory too?

Is the point of the political message board not to discuss politics and politics usually form up on 2 different side, would you not agree?

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... ACAB started in the 1920 in England. Was adopted in the US by skinheads in the 1980's and is now used by a lot of BLM types. There are all kinds of people who are anti authority. That was the point. I was just trying to explain something to you, so you didn't just come off like a mindless parrot.

It's not that you have differing ideas. is that they're not really yours and devoid of any critical analysis.

Poke fun all you want, I was being kind by saying savage for me. At least I know that 65th place isn't 1st.

Farb said:

You don't have a human right to kill an innocent life for the sake of convenience.

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You absolutely do have the right to decide what gets to live inside the body you own.
If you don't, if any other being can claim nonconsensual ownership of your body, then the entire basis for property law, for rape, assault, even murder falls apart.

wardorican said:

... ACAB started in the 1920 in England. Was adopted in the US by skinheads in the 1980's and is now used by a lot of BLM types. There are all kinds of people who are anti authority. That was the point. I was just trying to explain something to you, so you didn't just come off like a mindless parrot.

It's not that you have differing ideas. is that they're not really yours and devoid of any critical analysis.

Poke fun all you want, I was being kind by saying savage for me. At least I know that 65th place isn't 1st.

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Thanks but I remember seeing ACAB all over during the summer of love. Do you not, or you just remember the graffiti from London in the 80s?

I like not having my own ideas. It makes it easier to digest graphs and pie charts from the media that has never been wrong on anything. You can parrot NPR, I will parrot Qannon.com and that way, we are both happy in our ignorance.

I never poke fun, this site is all serious business and I appreciate you trying to help me not look like an idiot. Hard work indeed and your diligence has been noted and loved and my momma says thank you too.

Taurus said:

You absolutely do have the right to decide what gets to live inside the body you own.
If you don't, if any other being can claim nonconsensual ownership of your body, then the entire basis for property law, for rape, assault, even murder falls apart.

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Just so we are clear, you are claiming a baby claims nonconsensual ownership of the mothers body? Like a parasite?

You need to look up the word parasite.