The Voting Thread (Procedures, Turnout, Legal Challenges)(Update: Trump to file suit in PA, MI, WI, AZ, NV, GA) (10 Viewers)

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    Lapaz

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    There is a lot of push-back from Trump on voting by mail, but most states allow it, and 1/3 allow it without any excuse. His rationale is that it will lead to vast fraud, but of course that isn't his real reason. His real reason is that he thinks it will be worse for conservatives, but studies have shown that states that have instituted much broader voting by mail haven't had any statistical changes in party voting.



    Although, normally voting by mail doesn't affect party votes, I bet it might this year if we have another resurgence of Covid, because I think the right is much more apt to discount the virus than the left. I know that is why Trump is against it.

    Whether you're left or right wing, expanding mail in votes is the right thing to do to reduce the likelihood of spreading the virus, to expand voter participation, and to make it easier for those that do show up to stay distant. It will also allow any people with susceptibilities to remain safer. I think voting by mail could be made extremely secure by having people vote using traditional postal mail, coupled with requiring a confirmation either by phone, email or text. If done by phone, then voters can provide confirmation that can include confirming their form number. If done by email or text, it can include a picture of their form, and then confirmation that that was their form. Rather than staffers individually calling people, this can be automated by having voters call the number, text the number, or email the address provided to them on their form. A website can even be created with a database of those that have voted, and perhaps a link to allow people to confirm their vote was correctly registered. For people without computers, a site can include a means to access the database over the phone with some confirmation information. These types of systems are used extensively by banks and other sites that need security, so I think they are mature enough to use. We could even use such a site for people to confirm their vote on the day of the election.
     
    Well, I hope that Texas one gets dismissed quickly. Just so we can move on to next whatever it is.
    Isn't SCOTUS supposed to do something with this Texas nonsense tomorrow?

    And while I'm here, it looks like even the Babylon Bee is off the Trump train.

     
    This is a good discussion on the TX nonsense. It appears that Trump made it clear that he wanted all the R states to join in, plus he personally called the GA AG to make it clear that he didn’t want him to dissuade any other state AGs from joining in. So, perfectly normal mob boss behavior. 🙄

     
    Oh, and according to that article, the states named have until tomorrow to file their responses, so the earliest we will hear anything from the SC is tomorrow night or Friday. I expect it to either be taken up and then dismissed or dismissed outright, if the guy writing the article is correct.
     
    Oh, and according to that article, the states named have until tomorrow to file their responses, so the earliest we will hear anything from the SC is tomorrow night or Friday. I expect it to either be taken up and then dismissed or dismissed outright, if the guy writing the article is correct.



    Didnt read the article, but does anyone know exactly which of the Supreme Court justices decide whether or not to take up the case? If it’s Roberts then i doubt they even engage in this craziness, but if they are all involved in the decision then you can be sure that some of the loonies like Thomas will want to take it up.
     
    I think, but Taylor or Chuck or one of our other lawyers can correct me, that they vote. It takes five votes to take it up.
     
    So it appears one of the amici briefs was actually written by one of the lawyers on the original filing, and then submitted under another lawyer’s name. I’m gathering this is not kosher.

     
    This tweet is just actually stupid. It could go in the Tracker thread, but it has to do with the election, so:

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    I have seen MAGAs say on Twitter that “it‘s Election Day, not Election Week” as if there was a time clock or something. Like, oh, a football or basketball game.

    How stupid do you have to be to think that? There’s no “game clock”. The election is over when all the votes have been counted. I learned this year that the counts are then verified, checked by various means, and then certified.

    It’s really something that so many people are so cocksure of something they know absolutely nothing about. And it’s immoral that people in the R party refuse to speak up. Sickening.
     
    This tweet is just actually stupid. It could go in the Tracker thread, but it has to do with the election, so:

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    I have seen MAGAs say on Twitter that “it‘s Election Day, not Election Week” as if there was a time clock or something. Like, oh, a football or basketball game.

    How stupid do you have to be to think that? There’s no “game clock”. The election is over when all the votes have been counted. I learned this year that the counts are then verified, checked by various means, and then certified.

    It’s really something that so many people are so cocksure of something they know absolutely nothing about. And it’s immoral that people in the R party refuse to speak up. Sickening.
    Republican legislatures were also preventing pre-canvassing of mail-in ballots to ensure there was a red mirage on election night. This particular category of lies has been in the works for months.
     
    So it appears one of the amici briefs was actually written by one of the lawyers on the original filing, and then submitted under another lawyer’s name. I’m gathering this is not kosher.



    There's really nothing wrong with 'ghost-writing' in law - what matters is that the counsel signing the pleading are admitted and before the court. The attorney's signature attests to the filing, but it doesn't mean the attorney necessarily wrote it. Junior lawyers in firms and organizations write filings all the time that get some more senior lawyer's name on them. Or counsel for parties with a mutual interest may share drafts that ultimately get filed by the other party with little editing.

    Certainly a lawyer can get in trouble for ghost-writing pleadings that are adverse to the attorney's interests, that's a definite no-no. But otherwise I don't see a problem.
     
    They played a montage of Trump quotes from earlier this year talking about how this election was going to go to SCOTUS and how his lawyers were going to be in precincts all over the country on election night. This in and of itself probably really backfired both by getting people to vote and tipping their hand. I'm so ready for this to be over.
     


    Stupid shameless president with no respect for rule of law and a band of similarly shameless and possibly stupid Republican lawyers are making an all-out press on the Supreme Court to invalidate a certified election so that the minority candidate can stay in power.

    Stupid and/or shameless isn't going to impress the Supreme Court.
     
    I think @MT15 is correct. Takes five votes to take up a case under original jurisdiction, not four.

    Is it any difference in this?

    The Supreme Court has its own set of rules. According to these rules, four of the nine Justices must vote to accept a case. Five of the nine Justices must vote in order to grant a stay, e.g., a stay of execution in a death penalty case. Under certain instances, one Justice may grant a stay pending review by the entire Court.

     

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