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    Hunter Biden received a $3.5 million wire transfer from Elena Baturina, the richest woman in Russia and the widow of Yury Luzhkov, the former mayor of Moscow, Senate Republicans revealed in their report on the younger Biden’s work in Ukraine.

    Baturina is referenced in the 87-page report, which was released Wednesday, addressing her payment to Biden’s investment firm in early 2014.

    “Baturina became Russia’s only female billionaire when her plastics company, Inteko, received a series of Moscow municipal contracts while her husband was mayor,” it said in providing background on the businesswoman.

    The report described her involvement with Biden as “a financial relationship,” but declined to delve deeper into why the wire transfer was made.

    The probe also found that Baturina sent 11 wires transfers between May and December 2015 to a bank account belonging to BAK USA, a tech startup that filed for bankruptcy in March 2019.

    Nine of those 11 wire transfers were first sent to Rosemont Seneca Partners, the investment firm founded by Biden and Chris Heinz, stepson of former Secretary of State John Kerry, before being transferred to BAK USA.
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    Hunter Biden received $3.5M wire transfer from Russian billionaire: Senate report

    Hunter Biden received a $3.5 million wire transfer from Elena Baturina, the richest woman in Russia and the widow of Yury Luzhkov, the former mayor of Moscow, Senate Republicans revealed in their r…
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    We all know their is massive corruption on both sides of the aisle. Here is an alleged allegation against Hunter Biden who was allegedly enriching himself because his Dad was Vice President.
     
    FullMonte said:
    yeah...but like everything else in this story, the "signature" doesn't hold up. It's not even close to an actual sample of Hunter Biden's signature. I understand that every time someone signs something, there are variations in their signature, but the path your pen takes is the same. For example, when I write an "E" I basically write an "L" and then add two more lines to it. If someone tried to forge something I wrote, and their "E" was written like a backwards "3," that would be pretty clear evidence that I didn't write it.

    In the case of Hunter's "signature" on the invoice, there are major differences in the paths of various letters. For example, at the very end of his actual signature he goes up diagonally to the right, then comes down and makes a curve to the left. It's very angular. In the "signature" on the invoice, he goes up diagonally towards the right, then makes a sweeping loop back to the left, down, then to the right.

    That's just one of the many inconsistencies.

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    and just as i posted...FullMonte to the rescue.

    Nuff said. No adult changes his signature in the manner you see above. Especially the ending part.

    Until someone produces a true document that has Hunter Bidens signature identical to the invoice, its a forgery to me.
     
    Saint by the Bay said:
    Except they have presented a receipt with Hunter's signature on it, so they don't need to prove anything else at this point. Maybe that is forged, I wouldn't put anything past Rudy and the Trump sycophants, but they have provided their "proof" that it's Hunter's laptop. Since nobody is denying it is his they can stand on what they have already shown.

    It's all good. I see where y'all are coming from, but if it wasn't my laptop I'd say it, and nothing else.
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    My guess is that the story on how the laptop was obtained is false, but that the New York Post story did contain at least some material that was on a Hunter Biden laptop.. and the Biden camp is trying to get a grip on the situation before taking any particular position.

    How did Giuliani and Bannon figure that anyone who wasn't already a Trump supporter would take this at face value, especially coming from them? I know they're just trying to concoct a repeat of 2016, but I mean shirt I even saw Frank Luntz say that this strategy is terrible and that nobody cares about Hunter Biden.
     
    GrandAdmiral said:
    It's tough for me to take you or anyone else seriously or with much respect calling a recovering addict a crackhead. As someone who works in healthcare, providing services to those suffering with substance use disorders, it's a damn shame to see people demean someone, be it Hunter Biden or anyone else suffering with a SUD, who has acknowledge their addiction and is working to control that addiction.
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    I find your dismissal of an opinion or a person due to your offense of a word much more worrisome. This is how communication between people breaks down. Ask if the use is reasonable given the context. Ask “why” a person used a word or phase before writing off that opinion or person

    The context: Hunter has admitted to smoking crack. He was discharged from the military for a positive drug test for cocaine. A crack pipe was found in his rental car. There are reports of him smoking crack in strip clubs and he is paying child support to a former stripper. Feel free to read the New Yorker piece that interviewed Hunter and use your experience to read between the lines.

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    The Lives and Losses of Hunter Biden

    Joe Biden’s son has been scrutinized for his business dealings and tumultuous personal life.
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    Also, you are free to ask the “why”, but I think a thread on offensive language and why you shouldn’t be offended may be a better place for that.
     
    FullMonte said:
    yeah...but like everything else in this story, the "signature" doesn't hold up. It's not even close to an actual sample of Hunter Biden's signature. I understand that every time someone signs something, there are variations in their signature, but the path your pen takes is the same. For example, when I write an "E" I basically write an "L" and then add two more lines to it. If someone tried to forge something I wrote, and their "E" was written like a backwards "3," that would be pretty clear evidence that I didn't write it.

    In the case of Hunter's "signature" on the invoice, there are major differences in the paths of various letters. For example, at the very end of his actual signature he goes up diagonally to the right, then comes down and makes a curve to the left. It's very angular. In the "signature" on the invoice, he goes up diagonally towards the right, then makes a sweeping loop back to the left, down, then to the right.

    That's just one of the many inconsistencies.

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    I used to charge kids in elementary school to sign their parent's signature on their report cards. I was so good at it my Mom once looked at my report card and couldn't remember signing it. She didn't. I did.

    So, I consider myself an expert in forging signatures :hihi: , and that looks forged to me.
     
    efil4 said:
    and just as i posted...FullMonte to the rescue.

    Nuff said. No adult changes his signature in the manner you see above. Especially the ending part.

    Until someone produces a true document that has Hunter Bidens signature identical to the invoice, its a forgery to me.
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    Not to throw water on this, but studying handwriting and signatures, things do change over the years for many people. A lot of it depends on their mood. Often, if a last name is looking different, it is argued that it's an issue with dad.

    Look at Nixon's over the years.. think he had some crap on his mind?

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    B4YOU said:
    I find your dismissal of an opinion or a person due to your offense of a word much more worrisome. This is how communication between people breaks down. Ask if the use is reasonable given the context. Ask “why” a person used a word or phase before writing off that opinion or person

    The context: Hunter has admitted to smoking crack. He was discharged from the military for a positive drug test for cocaine. A crack pipe was found in his rental car. There are reports of him smoking crack in strip clubs and he is paying child support to a former stripper. Feel free to read the New Yorker piece that interviewed Hunter and use your experience to read between the lines.

    www.google.com

    The Lives and Losses of Hunter Biden

    Joe Biden’s son has been scrutinized for his business dealings and tumultuous personal life.
    www.google.com www.google.com

    Also, you are free to ask the “why”, but I think a thread on offensive language and why you shouldn’t be offended may be a better place for that.
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    Joe just needs to flip all of this as a story of grief of Hunter losing his mom and sister at a very young age and how despite everyone's best efforts, he had some demons. Maybe some variation of this. Hunter has a lot of baggage. Not sure about all of this potentially shady stuff, but he has baggage.
     
    wardorican said:
    Joe just needs to flip all of this as a story of grief of Hunter losing his mom and sister at a very young age and how despite everyone's best efforts, he had some demons. Maybe some variation of this. Hunter has a lot of baggage. Not sure about all of this potentially shady stuff, but he has baggage.
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    I think he did a good job in the first debate addressing that his son had to overcome some things and he's proud of him. That's the right approach for a candidate and a parent. Lots of parents have been down that road and can relate.
     
    wardorican said:
    Joe just needs to flip all of this as a story of grief of Hunter losing his mom and sister at a very young age and how despite everyone's best efforts, he had some demons. Maybe some variation of this. Hunter has a lot of baggage. Not sure about all of this potentially shady stuff, but he has baggage.
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    I think Joe handled it excellently in the first debate. He comes off as even more relatable and decent a man while Trump looks like a tabloid President. Frank Luntz has even said the attacks are the wrong direction for the campaign. Trump is out of money and options.

    www.google.com

    Top GOP pollster attacks Trump campaign as worst he's ever seen

    ‘Hunter Biden does not help put food on the table … help anyone get a job … provide health care or solve Covid,' says Frank Luntz
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    Hunter isn’t on the ballot. Trump and his kids dealings are more shady than anything I’ve seen from the Biden’s. Trump is directly enriching himself from US government, foreign government, and private funds being spent at his properties.
     
    wardorican said:
    Not to throw water on this, but studying handwriting and signatures, things do change over the years for many people. A lot of it depends on their mood. Often, if a last name is looking different, it is argued that it's an issue with dad.

    Look at Nixon's over the years.. think he had some crap on his mind?
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    Actually, no. This supports what I was saying. If you look at those examples, the basic path of his signature (with the exception of the last one) never changed. Look at the "R." He goes down, loops around to the left, over the top, and back to the original point. The "N" goes up to the right, curves down to the bottom, then immediately straight up.

    It never makes any drastic changes. If in one of them, the "R" or "N" looked like the ones I added in red, then you might have a point. But, they don't. They always follow the same path.


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    Now, here is the alleged signature of Hunter Biden on the invoice, with the path that his actual signature follows at the end in red.

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    Saint by the Bay said:
    I used to charge kids in elementary school to sign their parent's signature on their report cards. I was so good at it my Mom once looked at my report card and couldn't remember signing it. She didn't. I did.

    So, I consider myself an expert in forging signatures :hihi: , and that looks forged to me.
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    Same, and I now routinely forge my husband’s signature on checks and select other documents, (he knows it, BTW, he doesn’t want to be bothered with that stuff). At a glance mine looks very similar, but there are some details that aren’t the same at all. To the point where he jokes now that if he ever signed a check the bank would probably reject it
     
    MT15 said:
    Well, it’s possible the serial number is correctly Hunter’s laptop, because if they hacked said laptop they would have the serial number. That doesn’t mean they ever possessed the laptop or that it was ever dropped off at that store. So I don’t know what really happened, but I don’t trust anything Rudy and other henchmen say about the situation.
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    Bingo!

    Do they have the laptop or just hacked info from a laptop?

    See show physical stuff or you actually have not a darn thing.

    This is about the biggest joke ever.
     
    Answer, no they are anonymous sources.

    the official response to Johnson from the FBI is linked in this article. It very carefully says nothing about whether there is even an investigation, or that they have the laptop or anything of the sort.


    Also, Ratcliffe said there’s no current intelligence to support the theory, not that the theory is false, IIRC.

    These are important distinctions, SFL, you just gloss over this stuff and repeat things incorrectly.
     
    wardorican said:
    Not to throw water on this, but studying handwriting and signatures, things do change over the years for many people. A lot of it depends on their mood. Often, if a last name is looking different, it is argued that it's an issue with dad.

    Look at Nixon's over the years.. think he had some crap on his mind?

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    no doubt things do evolve....to the easier. Thats over a span of 6 years and 4 of those as POTUS where he is signing EVERYTHING. so it stands to reason he would make his signature "economical"

    I sign documents ALL DAY long. multiple documents for clients. So in times of expedience, my signature will morph due to speed. However, there are several "tells" that remain constant no matter how fast i sign.

    that signature against his other signature has none. Not even the first letter is remotely the same. ( the orignal concaves where as the invoice bows out ) My W ( my first initial ) NEVER CHANGES no matter how hard i try. Especially when i go fast and simply off muscle memory.

    So yeah it can happen, but its rare that a signature changes in the manner Nixons did...but it did for a reason.
     
    I cannot find any story on CBS website. Nothing except that tweet from Garrett. I’ll wait for something more.
     
    superchuck500 said:
    The FBI subpoena doesn’t make it any more credible. That just means that the FBI wanted a clean chain of custody on it.

    I don’t know enough to say it’s fake or planted or whatever but there’s an awful lot that’s highly suspicious about it. That this laptop with a Beau Biden Foundation sticker, shows up in Delaware supposedly dropped off by someone with no description, for an $85 MacBook data recovery job. Except the person, alleged to be Hunter Biden, never came back to get it or returned calls from the shop about it.

    The shop owner, who coincidentally is a “big fan” of Donald Trump and believes the Seth Rich conspiracy story, finally takes a look at it an lo and behold, the 'smoking gun' that verifies the Biden/Burisma/Ukraine story that Rudy Guiliani has been peddling to Trump and America for the better part of two years is on the drive! So shop owner calls the FBI, but also calls Rudy Guiliani (who was called first has been inconsistently reported). But despite finally having supposed evidence that supports his allegations - evidence that Trump got impeached over trying to obtain from Ukraine - Rudy stays quiet about it for 10 months. And the FBI, for its part, hasn't said a word about it either (keeping in mind that this same FBI has been putting out press releases for finding nine ballots in the trash). All of which leads to the NY Post to learn about it from a call from Steve Bannon, three weeks before the election. Again, there isn't enough information out there to be certain one way or the other but you have to admit how extraordinarily suspicious that is.

    I'm also not saying Russia is involved, because I don't know, but you present it as if "Russia!" is just some knee-jerk liberal response pulled out of thin-air. The reality is that this whole matter has multiple axes that include Russia. The story itself originates from Ukraine and in a matter of international concern involving a Ukrainian prosecutor - all in a nation that Russia considers its domain and operates extensively. The same Russia that engaged in activist, subterfuge in attempt to influence the 2016 presidential election and about whom US intelligence has warned for years will and is engaged in similar efforts for 2020. And the American conduit for the whole thing is Rudy Giuliani - a man who has been so outspoken and cavalier about his desire to obtain evidence linking the Bidens to the Burisma investigation that he regularly coordinated with con men now facing federal charges and (allegedly) Russian spies. The same Rudy Giuliani whom US Intelligence warned the White House could be an unwitting tool of Russian activity. Also the same Rudy Giuliani who regularly forgets to end calls with reporters after giving telephone interviews.

    And 50 former intelligence officials have publicly stated that has some elements to it that are consistent with known Russian misinformation activities. I'm not saying you have to acknowledge that Russia is involved - like I said, I really don't know. But labeling the Russian implication as some kind of liberal psychosis with no connection is really utter nonsense.
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    I think it's fine to question the legitimacy of the story, but that's not the big issue here. The big issue is how the media and the big tech worked together to censor a story because it can harm Joe Biden. They probably regret covering the 2016 Hillary email story and want to make sure they don't make the same mistake.

    Also, the media didn't mind running with the unverified Steele dossier and the many stories that spun off of that. There were questions about its authenticity, but that didn't stop the media from covering it at nauseum. There were many other Russiagate stories that were based on questionable evidence or anonymous sources, but once again the media had to problem covering them extensively. The suddenly incurious media had no problem investigating to see if Trump was financially compromised by Russia for four years, but now they can't ask Joe if it's Hunter's laptop or if he profited from his son's relationships in Ukraine and China.

    Those 50 intelligence officials, which include the known liars like Brennan and Clapper, didn't provide any evidence for their claims. The Russian disinformation claim or blaming Russia for things happens far too often. Putin has to be laughing that their hacking of the emails and Facebook ads has caused a political party to almost automatically assume Russia is involved whatever the case may be.
     
    wardorican said:
    Not to throw water on this, but studying handwriting and signatures, things do change over the years for many people. A lot of it depends on their mood. Often, if a last name is looking different, it is argued that it's an issue with dad.

    Look at Nixon's over the years.. think he had some crap on his mind?

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    This is true. Signatures aren't typically static. And it's actually not easy to make 2 signatures, even your own, exactly the same.

    I don't know the veracity of the Biden signature, but I'm sure the FBI has the ability to figure that out.

    To be sure, the Biden signature comparison posted sure looks like a forgery.
     
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