All things political. Coronavirus Edition. (21 Viewers)

MT15 said:

Well, how and why would Trump want to do this? I see a lot of joking around that he’s trying to kill us all, but seriously, what is he even trying to do here?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/us-policy/2020/07/18/white-house-testing-budget-cdc-coronavirus/

I’m not seeing a tease, so let me summarize. He wants to cut billions of dollars that the states need to do testing and contact tracing. He also wants to cut billions out of the money allotted for the CDC, and more billions out of money for the military and the Pentagon for COVID mitigation. And these cuts are coming out of the Senate Republicans’ bill.

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He has to pretend that Covid doesn't exist. The damn thing is hosing his reelection chances and that simply cannot be allowed. Therefore all reporting will be diverted from the (somewhat independent) CDC to a roundfile somewhere in the White House. Nearly no funding will be allocated to it.
It's obvious his plan is to gaslight America about the virus until forever. I'd say "until November" but really, why stop then?
If he can starve the media (even Fox!) of information, they'll be forced to stop reporting on it. The next step will be to "disappear" reporters who try to report from hospitals.

It's possible he'll get away with it. It really depends on what Faux News does.

Taurus said:

He has to pretend that Covid doesn't exist. The damn thing is hosing his reelection chances and that simply cannot be allowed. Therefore all reporting will be diverted from the (somewhat independent) CDC to a roundfile somewhere in the White House. Nearly no funding will be allocated to it.
It's obvious his plan is to gaslight America about the virus until forever. I'd say "until November" but really, why stop then?
If he can starve the media (even Fox!) of information, they'll be forced to stop reporting on it. The next step will be to "disappear" reporters who try to report from hospitals.

It's possible he'll get away with it. It really depends on what Faux News does.

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I believe that must be his plan, but it can't possibly work because the virus doesn't care what his plan is. Without adequate and speedy testing, along with efficient contact tracing, this thing is going to continue to have eruptions of hot spots until a vaccine is proven to work. So he can keep playing Leslie Nielsen as Lt. Drebben -- "nothing to see here, move along" -- while the nation suffers, hoping to run out the clock to November. He must believe that the economy will improve, helping his re-election bid, but he ignores the economic damage that will be done due to a greater proliferation of the virus. He is all in on his fantasy that it will all simply disappear. By November, I suspect that if his proposal is allowed to succeed, a significant majority of Americans will finally see Trump's inadequacy as a leader and his defeat will become a foregone conclusion.

However, even some Republicans in the Senate recognize that Trump's proposal would harm the country and I see little chance of him getting what he wants. Given his history, Trump could even change his mind on what he proposes by Monday. With 18 states in danger of needing to consider emergency measures to control the spread of the virus, some are going to have to approach the level of the lockdown we had in the spring. That kind of turmoil is going to have a negative affect on Trump's polling numbers, though he will try to shift any blame from his administration to the states. The problem with that course is that the majority of those 18 states have Republican governors or are states he won in 2016. I don't see how he can win in November without a effective vaccine soon and even then it would require a monumental failure on Biden's part.

Richard said:

I believe that must be his plan, but it can't possibly work because the virus doesn't care what his plan is. Without adequate and speedy testing, along with efficient contact tracing, this thing is going to continue to have eruptions of hot spots until a vaccine is proven to work. So he can keep playing Leslie Nielsen as Lt. Drebben -- "nothing to see here, move along" -- while the nation suffers, hoping to run out the clock to November. He must believe that the economy will improve, helping his re-election bid, but he ignores the economic damage that will be done due to a greater proliferation of the virus. He is all in on his fantasy that it will all simply disappear. By November, I suspect that if his proposal is allowed to succeed, a significant majority of Americans will finally see Trump's inadequacy as a leader and his defeat will become a foregone conclusion.

However, even some Republicans in the Senate recognize that Trump's proposal would harm the country and I see little chance of him getting what he wants. Given his history, Trump could even change his mind on what he proposes by Monday. With 18 states in danger of needing to consider emergency measures to control the spread of the virus, some are going to have to approach the level of the lockdown we had in the spring. That kind of turmoil is going to have a negative affect on Trump's polling numbers, though he will try to shift any blame from his administration to the states. The problem with that course is that the majority of those 18 states have Republican governors or are states he won in 2016. I don't see how he can win in November without a effective vaccine soon and even then it would require a monumental failure on Biden's part.

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I agree 100% with your post, what I fear the most is that just like four years ago where he lost the popular vote he got in by the electoral college and I pray that isn’t the case this time around. I am noticing cracks in the fox propaganda machine and how they are shining a light on his BS, I only hope it’s not too late.#864511320!

This is some crazy shirt right here. Kemp is a piece of work.

superchuck500 said:

This is some crazy shirt right here. Kemp is a piece of work.

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Is “respectfully prays” normally used in legal documents instead of “requests” or some similar secular term?

superchuck500 said:

This is some crazy shirt right here. Kemp is a piece of work.

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The dude won election thru voter suppression and voting machine manipulation.

Its documented on HBO.

He like the schoolyard kid that initially wanted to box in a fight, got punched in the nose, and is now widmilling his punches just to try and land one. Lol

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) acknowledged Thursday that it is combining the results from viral and antibody COVID-19 tests when reporting the country's testing totals, despite marked differences between the tests.

First reported by NPR's WLRN station in Miaimi, the practice has drawn ire from U.S. health experts who say combining the tests inhibits the agency's ability to discern the country's actual testing capacity.

“You’ve got to be kidding me,” Ashish Jha, director of the Harvard Global Health Institute, told The Atlantic. “How could the CDC make that mistake? This is a mess.”


Why in the world would they do that? It doesn't make any sense.

This gif Biden posted is depressing.

insidejob said:

This gif Biden posted is depressing.

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USA! USA! USA! #Sarcasm

SaintForLife said:

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) acknowledged Thursday that it is combining the results from viral and antibody COVID-19 tests when reporting the country's testing totals, despite marked differences between the tests.

First reported by NPR's WLRN station in Miaimi, the practice has drawn ire from U.S. health experts who say combining the tests inhibits the agency's ability to discern the country's actual testing capacity.

“You’ve got to be kidding me,” Ashish Jha, director of the Harvard Global Health Institute, told The Atlantic. “How could the CDC make that mistake? This is a mess.”

CDC acknowledges mixing up coronavirus testing data

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) acknowledged Thursday that it is combining the results from viral and antibody COVID-19 tests when reporting the country's testing totals, despite marked differences between the tests.

thehill.com

Why in the world would they do that? It doesn't make any sense.

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this is a story from May, this is old news and as far as I know it was corrected when the story came out. I don’t think this has anything to do with anything now in late July.

MT15 said:

this is a story from May, this is old news and as far as I know it was corrected when the story came out. I don’t think this has anything to do with anything now in late July.

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It's seeing a resurgence on certain sites and social media accounts, in concert with the anti-Fauci stuff from the White House and the criticism of the decision to funnel data to HHS instead of the CDC.

It's been re-purposed in these places for partisan reasons, I'm guessing, and that's why we are seeing it again, months later

Richard said:

I believe that must be his plan, but it can't possibly work because the virus doesn't care what his plan is. Without adequate and speedy testing, along with efficient contact tracing, this thing is going to continue to have eruptions of hot spots until a vaccine is proven to work. So he can keep playing Leslie Nielsen as Lt. Drebben -- "nothing to see here, move along" -- while the nation suffers, hoping to run out the clock to November. He must believe that the economy will improve, helping his re-election bid, but he ignores the economic damage that will be done due to a greater proliferation of the virus. He is all in on his fantasy that it will all simply disappear. By November, I suspect that if his proposal is allowed to succeed, a significant majority of Americans will finally see Trump's inadequacy as a leader and his defeat will become a foregone conclusion.

However, even some Republicans in the Senate recognize that Trump's proposal would harm the country and I see little chance of him getting what he wants. Given his history, Trump could even change his mind on what he proposes by Monday. With 18 states in danger of needing to consider emergency measures to control the spread of the virus, some are going to have to approach the level of the lockdown we had in the spring. That kind of turmoil is going to have a negative affect on Trump's polling numbers, though he will try to shift any blame from his administration to the states. The problem with that course is that the majority of those 18 states have Republican governors or are states he won in 2016. I don't see how he can win in November without a effective vaccine soon and even then it would require a monumental failure on Biden's part.

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The blame-shifting isn't a bug. It's a feature.

MT15 said:

this is a story from May, this is old news and as far as I know it was corrected when the story came out. I don’t think this has anything to do with anything now in late July.

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Heh, I didn't catch that. I'm sure this is being circulated due to the decision on states not providing numbers directly to CDC.

Maybe some hope on the horizon. One can only hope that they will still be willing to share with the United States. Initial results from Oxford suggest that they may have a vaccine that offers double protection from the Covid-19 virus producing both antibodies to the virus and creating T-cells that attack the virus.

Wait, what...?

There was discussion about politicians who are graduates of Ivy league schools who are "stupid" because of how they're handling COVID-19.

I don't want to throw this grenade in that thread but here's an article from last year that partially explains what I think is driving the stupidity.

This forking guy

Hey, if it gets people to wear a mask, I'm all for it. I don't care why people start to wear masks as long as they do.