The Voting Thread (Procedures, Turnout, Legal Challenges)(Update: Trump to file suit in PA, MI, WI, AZ, NV, GA) (1 Viewer)

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    Lapaz

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    There is a lot of push-back from Trump on voting by mail, but most states allow it, and 1/3 allow it without any excuse. His rationale is that it will lead to vast fraud, but of course that isn't his real reason. His real reason is that he thinks it will be worse for conservatives, but studies have shown that states that have instituted much broader voting by mail haven't had any statistical changes in party voting.



    Although, normally voting by mail doesn't affect party votes, I bet it might this year if we have another resurgence of Covid, because I think the right is much more apt to discount the virus than the left. I know that is why Trump is against it.

    Whether you're left or right wing, expanding mail in votes is the right thing to do to reduce the likelihood of spreading the virus, to expand voter participation, and to make it easier for those that do show up to stay distant. It will also allow any people with susceptibilities to remain safer. I think voting by mail could be made extremely secure by having people vote using traditional postal mail, coupled with requiring a confirmation either by phone, email or text. If done by phone, then voters can provide confirmation that can include confirming their form number. If done by email or text, it can include a picture of their form, and then confirmation that that was their form. Rather than staffers individually calling people, this can be automated by having voters call the number, text the number, or email the address provided to them on their form. A website can even be created with a database of those that have voted, and perhaps a link to allow people to confirm their vote was correctly registered. For people without computers, a site can include a means to access the database over the phone with some confirmation information. These types of systems are used extensively by banks and other sites that need security, so I think they are mature enough to use. We could even use such a site for people to confirm their vote on the day of the election.
     
    You think that's bad...

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    Had another shipped July 10. It got here August 12th... from Dallas.

    I'm just going to go ahead hope that I get mine before Halloween and just be pleasantly surprised when it comes in mid September :hihi:
     
    Maybe. Just maybe, those 3 machines were taken out and replaced with one or two, maybe even three, more modern and efficient mail sorting machines???

    Context people. This is just a snapshot report with no context. Notice how she stated that the employee said 3 such machines were taken out, but she DID NOT say that there were no replacements put in.

    Just like all these twitter posts of trucks with mailboxes on them. They are a snapshot. The snapshot doesn't account for the fact that these mailboxes are routinely swapped out to be refurbished. Were the pictures taken of old mailboxes enroute to refubishing or were they new mailboxes enroute to replacing old ones?

    This is the problem with twitter journalism. Only the information that enhances the narrative the poster seeks is provided, while the full story is left out.

    Since the "full story" is that these machines were replaced with more modern and efficient mail sorting machines, I'm sure you can point us to where we can find this full story?
     
    So here is the statement from Louis DeJoy:


    If the removed sorting machines are actually being replaced by better sorting machines, why didn't he mention that? Or did the lamestream media edit this statement posted on the USPS website and not allow him to present his side of the story? Did the Deep State do it?

    I'll hang up and listen.
     
    If the removed sorting machines are actually being replaced by better sorting machines, why didn't he mention that? Or did the lamestream media edit this statement posted on the USPS website and not allow him to present his side of the story? Did the Deep State do it?

    There is no way all those machines will be replaced before election time. I've also read a number of them have been dissembled or in the process of being, and those won't be reassembled
     
    This is the same thing that Trump did with Ukraine and Biden.. he sees an opportunity to take advantage of a situation by disguising actions designed solely to benefit him as actions designed to benefit the country.

    Post office has issues so why not create more and take complete advantage of the situation.
     

    This is a very long read, but some interesting tidbits, its also disheartening that they will be around for 7 years:

    "Since 1970, the Postal Service had been an independent agency, walled off from political influence. The postmaster general is not appointed by the president and is not a cabinet member. Instead, the postal chief is picked by a board of governors, with seats reserved for members of both parties, who are nominated by the president and confirmed by the Senate for seven-year terms.

    Now, not only was the Trump administration, through Mnuchin, involving itself in the process for selecting the next postmaster general, but the two Democratic governors who were then serving on the board were not invited to the Treasury meeting. Since the meeting did not include a quorum of board members, it was not subject to sunshine laws that apply to official board meetings and there is no formal Postal Service record or minutes of what was discussed."


    "S. David Fineman, a former member and chair of the Postal Service’s board, called Mnuchin’s close involvement in the affairs of the Postal Service “absolutely unprecedented.”

    "During his tenure in the Clinton and George W. Bush administrations, he said the board had minimal interaction with the administrations, and “certainly no communication regarding the hiring of the postmaster general.”
     
    Very anecdotal but I've had a couple of Amazon USPS deliveries in the past month that took awhile to show up after they were initially shipped.. I don't really recall having that issue before.
     
    So this seems noteworthy:


    Trump's campaign is "suing Pennsylvania Secretary of the Commonwealth Kathy Boockvar and each of the state's county election boards to prevent election administrators from providing secure drop boxes for mail-in ballot returns." Two of the groups that support voting by mail in Pennsylvania, Citizens for Pennsylvania's Future and the Sierra Club, asked the Trump campaign to demonstrate that there is a connection between mail-in voting and voter fraud — and Judge J. Nicholas Ranjan granted their motion, asking the campaign to "produce such evidence in their possession, and if they have none, state as much."



    According to the article above: "contains a few scant examples of election fraud" — but none of them actually involve mail-in ballots.


    Salame explained:


    The non-redacted portion of the Trump campaign's response consists in large part of news reports and copies of the campaign's open records requests to counties. It contains no new evidence of fraud beyond what local news outlets have previously reported. The examples of fraud that it does provide include the case of four poll workers who admitted to harassment and intimidation of voters at one polling place during a special election in 2017. It also includes an election judge who altered vote totals in his polling place between 2014 and 2016 at the behest of a political consultant. And while the amended complaint brought by the campaign cites a few incidents of mail-in fraud, none were mentioned in the discovery document.

    This is far from the first time that Republicans have failed to substantiate their frequent claims that voter fraud is a persistent problem in American elections. In 2018, one of U.S.'s most prominent crusaders against voter fraud, then-Kansas Secretary of State Kris Kobach, was asked by a district court to produce evidence that non-citizens were voting in his home state of Kansas. Kobach brought forth witnesses, but their testimony fell apart on cross examination. Judge Julie Robinson wrote in her opinion that "evidence that the voter rolls include ineligible citizens is weak. At most, 39 [non]citizens have found their way onto the Kansas voter rolls in the last 19 years." The rare known cases of voter fraud were not the tip of the iceberg, she concluded, "there is no iceberg; only an icicle, largely created by confusion and administrative error."
     
    Very anecdotal but I've had a couple of Amazon USPS deliveries in the past month that took awhile to show up after they were initially shipped.. I don't really recall having that issue before.
    USPS's own service performance briefing for the postmaster general shows a decline in service



    (the briefing consists of the images in that embedded tweet, but here's a direct link to the briefing anyway: pdf)
     
    Well this is the rockstar Katie Porter.

    She really knows how to make the filthy rich look extremely stupid.



    Interesting that she actually got him to say things in clear, unambiguous terms that could get him on perjury.
    All that's needed is a paper trail where he directs these changes to occur or officially lets them proceed.
     
    I don’t know, Taurus, I’m pretty sure perjury is no longer considered a crime.
     

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