The Bernie Sanders Is Probably [Now Not] Going To Be The Nominee Thread (1 Viewer)

[EmBeeFiveOhFour]

We have a running thread about the 2020 Democratic race at large, but 538 is now showing that Bernie Sanders has a nearly 50% chance of carrying a majority of delegates into the Democratic National Convention (with the current runner up being "no one has a majority" at close to 40%). At some point in the near future--maybe as soon as Super Tuesday next week when he wins California--it will be time to acknowledge that Sanders is the probable nominee and there is nothing Biden or Bloomberg or anyone else in the race now can do to stop it. So, what happens then?

I know that the Trump voters will say he's crazy and use that as their excuse for voting for Trump (who they were voting for anyway under any circumstance, let's all be clear and honest about that). But how does everyone else feel about it?

 

[Heathen]

Are you talking presidential elections? How do you figure Sanders will win Texas?

Trump may be a slight favorite, but many polls including RCP have it a pretty tight hypothetical matchup.

Texas might be a swing state in the future, while Florida goes more and more red.

 

[V Chip]

Question for those on the left and moderate side of the political spectrum - will Bernie's self proclaimed status as a Democratic Socialist (or his policies) cause you to refrain from him?

Goodness no.

 

[BobE]

damn it I some how deleted my question, but is Bernie's super duper tax on was street going to mess with my 401k?

 

[The moose]

damn it I some how deleted my question, but is Bernie's super duper tax on was street going to mess with my 401k?

Can't be worse than 2008 did for it. Just kidding on that one.

I really would not sweat it that much all legislation goes to Moscow Mitch's desk and dies. Unless it can all be done by order mitch ain't letting it happen. He has personally squashed over three hundred bills since trump took office. And it is not like they are not bipartisan.

Mitch is a huge problem in getting anything done and needs to be gone.

I think Bloomberg would do much better as a king maker. Find a person throw all your money behind beating Mitch and then government might start working again.

Heck it would cost way less than what he spent last week.

 

[Heathen]

damn it I some how deleted my question, but is Bernie's super duper tax on was street going to mess with my 401k?

I'm not 100% but from what i've gathered it will only effect the broker

 

[wardorican]

Is it?


I don't know about that... but anyway...

Yes. Because Americans can be from every nationality out there. Hispanics / Latinos are generally going to me Mexico, central America, South America, the Caribbean islands, and Spain/Portugal. So, technically, it is more defined.

But to your point that coldseat is missing... when it comes to political ideology, you can't lump Hispanics as mostly liberal, like you pretty much can with Black voters (even that isn't 100%).

There is also a strong divide on immigration with hispanic Latinos. Depends on their personal circumstances.

 

[wardorican]

damn it I some how deleted my question, but is Bernie's super duper tax on was street going to mess with my 401k?

Maybe, but another interesting calculus is the fact that businesses would be freed up from having to provide healthcare, and likely just have a predictable tax. No year to year changes. That's powerful. Maybe they start adding to their company match?

Also, it unshackles the American worker. You can change jobs and not worry about lapses in coverage, changes in networks and what doc you can see. New deductables... etc.

Also, what's the main reason they drive us to save for retirement? Some of it is basic living, but it is mostly the fear of medical costs and end of life care.

 

[wardorican]

And in two days, I lost about $40,000 in my 401(k). Two years ago, it was worse.

If you're worried about Bernie, take all of your money out of stocks and into stable value accounts.

 

[JimEverett]

Yes. Because Americans can be from every nationality out there. Hispanics / Latinos are generally going to me Mexico, central America, South America, the Caribbean islands, and Spain/Portugal. So, technically, it is more defined.

But to your point that coldseat is missing... when it comes to political ideology, you can't lump Hispanics as mostly liberal, like you pretty much can with Black voters (even that isn't 100%).

There is also a strong divide on immigration with hispanic Latinos. Depends on their personal circumstances.

Still speaking generally - there is a difference from how hispanics seem to vote when you look at Florida hispanics vs. Texas hispanics, vs. California hispanics. and I know within each state there are some fairly defined differences regionally, culturally, generation of imigrant, nationality, etc.

 

[coldseat]

Yes. Because Americans can be from every nationality out there. Hispanics / Latinos are generally going to me Mexico, central America, South America, the Caribbean islands, and Spain/Portugal. So, technically, it is more defined.

But to your point that coldseat is missing... when it comes to political ideology, you can't lump Hispanics as mostly liberal, like you pretty much can with Black voters (even that isn't 100%).

There is also a strong divide on immigration with hispanic Latinos. Depends on their personal circumstances.

Point of clarification, I didn't really miss it, more so glossed over it. But I did acknowledge that I recognized what he was talking about, which is what you explain here. I've talked about those differences many time previously. It's not a perfect category/group/classification, but it does exist to some extent.

I know this for a fact from my childhood. When we moved to New Orleans when I was a 1 1/2, there wasn't a sizable Puerto Rican population in New Orleans, still isn't. Yet, my family had a rather sizable group of Hondurans, Guatemalans, Cubans, El Salvadorians and other Puerto Ricans who we knew and socialized with regularly. While we weren't all the same, we certainly shared enough commonality between us to relate to each other easier than with relating to other racial group. Of course we had friends from all racial groups, but it was just a different feeling of understanding and things that didn't need to be explained than with people of other races/nationalities.

 

[JimEverett]

The debate last night got good viewership numbers. I think it was on par with the Republicans debate in February 2016 on ABC - roughly 13 million viewers. Got to be good news for Democrats.

 

[Joan's E]

Mitch is a huge problem in getting anything done . . .

This is a feature, not a bug.

 

[JimEverett]

If true - could end up giving him a big bounce on Super Tuesday, and if so then this nomination is not over.

Biden leads by 18 points in South Carolina: poll

Biden has 35 percent support in the Clemson University poll released just days ahead of Saturday’s South Carolina primary.

Businessman Tom Steyer, who has focussed much of his campaign on South Carolina, pulled in a distant second at 17 percent support in the poll.

Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.), the leading candidate in the race after three nominating contests, trails Steyer in the poll by 4 points at 13 percent support.

 

[SystemShock]

Yes. Because Americans can be from every nationality out there. Hispanics / Latinos are generally going to me Mexico, central America, South America, the Caribbean islands, and Spain/Portugal. So, technically, it is more defined.

This is yet another pet peeve of mine, so ...

Mexicans can be from every nationality out there too. So can people in CA, SA, the Caribbean, Spain, and Portugal. And They can be white, black, brown, yellow, red... and don't lump together Spain and Portugal. It's like lumping together Cuba and Puerto Rico. Heck, you can't even lump together Spaniards in Spain.

But to your point that coldseat is missing... when it comes to political ideology, you can't lump Hispanics as mostly liberal

That we an agree on.

 

[SFIDC3]

Capitalism isn't winning right now. Corrupt cronyism is. There is a difference.

My point is unchecked Capitalism allows for things like corrupt cronyism to fester....just like unchecked Socialism can remove individual freedoms we hold dear....its all about the balance, or rather checks and balance....it may be oversimplifying but I think it is key to this country's well being....

 

[JimEverett]

My point is unchecked Capitalism allows for things like corrupt cronyism to fester....just like unchecked Socialism can remove individual freedoms we hold dear....its all about the balance, or rather checks and balance....it may be oversimplifying but I think it is key to this country's well being....

Why would capitalism allow the festering of corrupt cronyism?

I can see problems with unregulated capitalism - but cronyism is not one of them. Rather, that would be a product of government regulation.

 

[The moose]

This is a feature, not a bug.

No the Senate is supposed to do work. They are not supposed to shut down every bill that gets sent their way bipartisan or not.

But then again I would take anything you say with a grain of salt just because you think Epstein is funny in any way shape or form and choose it as your handle here.

 

[The moose]

Trump may be a slight favorite, but many polls including RCP have it a pretty tight hypothetical matchup.

Texas might be a swing state in the future, while Florida goes more and more red.

I would not bet on Florida being red all that long.

The felony convictions law that allows their voting rights to be reinstated is gonna make a huge dent in the red state. That is over a million people.

I know they have all kinds of hurdles to jump thru but it should have a real impact a few years down the road.