Republican Assault on Public Education (1 Viewer)

[MT15]

This probably needs its own thread. It ties in with a lot of different R culture wars: Attacks on universities, attacks on CRT and “woke”. Classifying teachers and librarians as “groomers”. Pushing vouchers to send tax money to private, often religious, schools. Betsy DeVos was an advocate for all these policies that will weaken public education, and there are several billionaires who also want to dismantle public education. Public education may have its faults, but it is responsible for an amazing amount of upward mobility. Kids from poor areas can still get a college prep education in a public school.

Vouchers (sometimes disguised as “school choice”) are a particular peeve of mine. Public money is diverted from poor schools to wealthy private schools, which aren’t required to offer accommodations for special needs or challenged students. Families with special needs kids are left out. Rural areas often suffer disproportionately because there are no private schools to attend, but their public schools still see the reduction in funding. Often the families who take advantage of the voucher money are upper class and the private schools simply raise tuition knowing the families are getting taxpayer money now.

Greg Abbot is being particularly vile in this area. No surprise. Voters will have to make a statement about public education. If we want to halt the growing divide in this country between the “haves” and “have-nots”, we need to pay attention to public education.

 

[samiam5211]

I think this is just a long term consequence of desegrigation. It is really the same type of people who fought to keep segregation that are pushing this crap today.

School is where kids get exposed to ideas that didn't come from their family. Parents whose beliefs can't stand up to the competition, need to keep their kids in as homogenous a group as possible for as long as possible.

 

[coldseat]

This probably needs its own thread. It ties in with a lot of different R culture wars: Attacks on universities, attacks on CRT and “woke”. Classifying teachers and librarians as “groomers”. Pushing vouchers to send tax money to private, often religious, schools. Betsy DeVos was an advocate for all these policies that will weaken public education, and there are several billionaires who also want to dismantle public education. Public education may have its faults, but it is responsible for an amazing amount of upward mobility. Kids from poor areas can still get a college prep education in a public school.

Vouchers (sometimes disguised as “school choice”) are a particular peeve of mine. Public money is diverted from poor schools to wealthy private schools, which aren’t required to offer accommodations for special needs or challenged students. Families with special needs kids are left out. Rural areas often suffer disproportionately because there are no private schools to attend, but their public schools still see the reduction in funding. Often the families who take advantage of the voucher money are upper class and the private schools simply raise tuition knowing the families are getting taxpayer money now.

Greg Abbot is being particularly vile in this area. No surprise. Voters will have to make a statement about public education. If we want to halt the growing divide in this country between the “haves” and “have-nots”, we need to pay attention to public education.

Abbot doing his best DeSantis and Trump impression. The difference is that I don't think Republicans in Texas fear him the way that Republicans in Florida fear DeSantis or Republicans nationally fear Trump. I think the difference is that to Republicans here, Abbot is more their figure head as opposed to their leader.

Hopefully he can't get any traction to pass this stupidity.

 

[MT15]

The battle in TX appears to be heating up. Reps who support public education are being pressured - not by the public, but by unknown people who have money to spend.

 

[MT15]

This is what will happen if Rs get their way. Toe their line, obey their whims or they will hurt you.

 

[MT15]

 

[fooferdoggie]

This is what will happen if Rs get their way. Toe their line, obey their whims or they will hurt you.

I bet if we looked a little closer at this butt crevasses life we would find some very non Christian things he is doing.

 

[MT15]

Public pressure causes a reversal:

 

[fooferdoggie]

Public pressure causes a reversal:

How Christian of him.

 

[MT15]

Putting this here, but it could go in the R thread:

 

[MT15]

The problem with vouchers is that rural areas don’t have alternate schools. Private schools aren’t going to serve these areas. These kids are actually losing their local public schools over the school voucher laws.

 

[fooferdoggie]

but as usual its all about profits. and really republicans thrive on poorly educated people.

 

[V Chip]

Vouchers are NOT:

1. School choice. Private schools do NOT have to accept everyone and in fact are inherently discriminatory.
2. Educational freedom. Besides the aforementioned discriminatory nature, they don't provide equal services or transportation. Vouchers won't cover the full cost, and in many areas there doesn't even exist an alternative private school to choose from.
3. Giving "parental rights" -- most private schools actually take away parents rights, where parents sign documents/contracts that state parents cannot sue for a variety of reasons that could never happen in a public school.

Plus it's just socialism for two groups that absolutely do not need it: families that make 200K or more a year who can already afford to send their kids to private school, and churches/religious entities that have schools.

 

[MT15]

Greg Abbott is telling all the public school teachers in TX that they will get zero raise unless his voucher bill is passed; he is hoping that they will pressure their legislators. Under his plan private schools will get more money per student than public schools get, they will not be required to take any handicapped or children with any learning challenges, they will not be graded, except by their own test that they write. The student stipend will not depend on attendance unlike public schools who see their student payments pro-rated based on attendance.

The private tuition at schools in TX averages $22k, the parents will receive an $8k stipend. Nobody not currently in private school will benefit, unless the private schools offer substantial scholarships. Your average poor student will still not have a choice to attend a private school, and handicapped or learning challenged students won’t be accepted even if they could pay.

Abbott is doing this to enrich his donors. He will strangle and possible kill public education in TX.

 

[cuddlemonkey]

Greg Abbott is telling all the public school teachers in TX that they will get zero raise unless his voucher bill is passed; he is hoping that they will pressure their legislators. Under his plan private schools will get more money per student than public schools get, they will not be required to take any handicapped or children with any learning challenges, they will not be graded, except by their own test that they write. The student stipend will not depend on attendance unlike public schools who see their student payments pro-rated based on attendance.

The private tuition at schools in TX averages $22k, the parents will receive an $8k stipend. Nobody not currently in private school will benefit, unless the private schools offer substantial scholarships. Your average poor student will still not have a choice to attend a private school, and handicapped or learning challenged students won’t be accepted even if they could pay.

Abbott is doing this to enrich his donors. He will strangle and possible kill public education in TX.

Screw the stolen elections crowd. Parents in Texas are the ones who should be storming the state house.

 

[fooferdoggie]

Screw the stolen elections crowd. Parents in Texas are the ones who should be storming the state house.

yep but it make take years before they realize Junior cant get into college then its too late.

 

[MT15]

From AR where the Rs are trying to do the same.

 

[Optimus Prime]

As tensions have erupted at college campuses throughout the country after Hamas’s attack on Israel, former president Donald Trump and other Republican presidential candidates have called to revoke student visas and deport foreign nationals who express support for Palestinians or criticize Israel’s military response — moves that would amount to violations of their First Amendment rights, according to some legal experts.


Student protests have ranged from urging a cease-fire or denouncing the treatment and killing of Palestinian civilians to blaming Israel for Hamas’s attack, a position that has been criticized across the political spectrum.

Some Republican candidates have not differentiated the protests in their comments, generalizing protest participants as supporting Hamas.


Trump, the dominant polling leader in the GOP race, said this week that if he is returned to the White House, his administration would revoke student visas of “radical, anti-American and antisemitic foreigners.”

Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis (R) also expressed support for deporting international students who he deems supportive of Hamas, saying, “You don’t have a right to be here on a visa. You don’t have a right to be studying in the United States.”

In a radio interview the same day, Sen. Tim Scott (R-S.C.) said of student protests: “If any of those students on college campuses are foreign nationals on a visa, they should be sent back to their country.”


The proposals reflect the determination by much of the GOP field to stake out increasingly hard-line stances against many Muslim immigrants and in support of Israel, with candidates saying the United States should not accept any refugees from Gaza — where Israel has cut off electricity, food and fuel in response to Hamas’s deadly attack.

The scrutiny on students and their response to the war triggered by Hamas’s strike also reflects the inclination by many Republicans to direct criticism toward universities and campus communities they have frequently clashed with on cultural issues……

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/10/20/republican-presidential-candidates-students-protests-israel-hamas/