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    So, rather than burying this subject in an already broad thread I felt this topic, and the study it is based on, deserved its own thread. A debate about whether the protests have been mostly violent or not has been had multiple times in multiple threads so when I saw this analysis it piqued my interest.

    A few key points: It characterizes the BLM movement as "an overwhelmingly peaceful movement." Most of the violent demonstrations were surrounding Confederate monuments. To this mostly non-violent movement, the government has responded violently, and disproportionately so, to BLM than other demonstrations, including a militarized federal response. The media has, also, been targeted by this violent government response. There is a high rate of non-state actor involvement in BLM demonstrations. Lastly, there is a rising number of counter-protest that turn violent. I shouldn't say lastly because there is, also, a lot of data relating to Covid too.

    The Armed Conflict Location and Event Data Project (ACLED) begin tracking BLM demonstrations since this summer, the week of George Floyd's killing. I am linking the entire study for all to read. I am highlighting excerpts I personally found interesting.


    The vast majority of demonstration events associated with the BLM movement are non-violent (see map below). In more than 93% of all demonstrations connected to the movement, demonstrators have not engaged in violence or destructive activity. Peaceful protests are reported in over 2,400 distinct locations around the country. Violent demonstrations, meanwhile, have been limited to fewer than 220 locations — under 10% of the areas that experienced peaceful protests. In many urban areas like Portland, Oregon, for example, which has seen sustained unrest since Floyd’s killing, violent demonstrations are largely confined to specific blocks, rather than dispersed throughout the city (CNN, 1 September 2020).

    Yet, despite data indicating that demonstrations associated with the BLM movement are overwhelmingly peaceful, one recent poll suggested that 42% of respondents believe “most protesters [associated with the BLM movement] are trying to incite violence or destroy property” (FiveThirtyEight, 5 June 2020). This is in line with the Civiqs tracking poll which finds that “net approval for the Black Lives Matter movement peaked back on June 3 [the week following the killing of George Floyd when riots first began to be reported] and has fallen sharply since” (USA Today, 31 August 2020; Civiqs, 29 August 2020).

    Research from the University of Washington indicates that this disparity stems from political orientation and biased media framing (Washington Post, 24 August 2020), such as disproportionate coverage of violent demonstrations (Business Insider, 11 June 2020; Poynter, 25 June 2020). Groups like the Anti-Defamation League (ADL) have documented organized disinformation campaigns aimed at spreading a “deliberate mischaracterization of groups or movements [involved in the protests], such as portraying activists who support Black Lives Matter as violent extremists or claiming that antifa is a terrorist organization coordinated or manipulated by nebulous external forces” (ADL, 2020). These disinformation campaigns may be contributing to the decline in public support for the BLM movement after the initial increase following Floyd’s killing, especially amongst the white population (USA Today, 31 August 2020; Civiqs, 30 August 2020a, 30 August 2020b). This waning support also comes as the Trump administration recently shifted its “law and order” messaging to target local Democratic Party politicians from urban areas, particularly on the campaign trail (NPR, 27 August 2020).

    Despite the fact that demonstrations associated with the BLM movement have been overwhelmingly peaceful, more than 9% — or nearly one in 10 — have been met with government intervention, compared to 3% of all other demonstrations. This also marks a general increase in intervention rates relative to this time last year. In July 2019, authorities intervened in under 2% of all demonstrations — fewer than 30 events — relative to July 2020, when they intervened in 9% of all demonstrations — or over 170 events.

    Authorities have used force — such as firing less-lethal weapons like tear gas, rubber bullets, and pepper spray or beating demonstrators with batons — in over 54% of the demonstrations in which they have engaged. This too is a significant increase relative to one year ago. In July 2019, government personnel used force in just three documented demonstrations, compared to July 2020, when they used force against demonstrators in at least 65 events. Over 5% of all events linked to the BLM movement have been met with force by authorities, compared to under 1% of all other demonstrations.

    Non-state groups are becoming more active and assertive. Since May, ACLED records over 100 events in which non-state actors engaged in demonstrations (including counter-demonstrations) — the vast majority of which were in response to demonstrations associated with the BLM movement. These non-state actors include groups and militias from both the left and right side of the political spectrum, such as Antifa, the Not forking Around Coalition, the New Mexico Civil Guard, the Patriot Front, the Proud Boys, the Boogaloo Bois, and the Ku Klux Klan, among others (see map below).3

    Between 24 May and 22 August, over 360 counter-protests were recorded around the country, accounting for nearly 5% of all demonstrations. Of these, 43 — nearly 12% — turned violent, with clashes between pro-police demonstrators and demonstrators associated with the BLM movement, for example. In July alone, ACLED records over 160 counter-protests, or more than 8% of all demonstrations. Of these, 18 turned violent. This is a significant increase relative to July 2019, when only 17 counter-protests were reported around the country, or approximately 1% of all demonstrations, and only one of these allegedly turned violent.
     
    I can't help but point out the irony of saying in the same post that (1) the BLM movement is illegitimate because protestors don't look at the nuances of each case, and (2) all of the people killed by police that BLM mourns are violent against women.

    There is room for discussion about why you think certain cases don't necessarily advance the cause against racial injustice, or why you might think the issue is overblown, but when you say things like
    all the BLM martyrs have past violent crimes against women
    it tells me that you're not really looking to engage on the topic.
     
    All of them? Trayvon Martin? Tamir Rice? Sandra Bland? Amadou Diallo? Jordan Davis? Emitt Till?

    Maybe you mean less than 10% of them. Or maybe you are obsessed with discrediting BLM for some reason...

    Could you list all of the ones who had past violent crimes against women

    IMO Farb is fairly well obsessed with fears about BLM and Antifa. It sure seems that way, at least.
    Floyd, Blake, Brooks just to name a recent few. Why not idolize someone who wasn't a total scum bag? Do you mean that cops generally deal with bad guys? That might explain why the vast majority of office shooting are legitimate and good shoots.
    Sure seems that way, but in the mean time, looting cell phone stores and pharmacies will advance the cause for justice.

    I am obsessed with BLM, much like you guys are obsessed with Q or white supremacy, the only difference is that BLM actually is a problem that exists in the real world. And I do believe in calling out racism when I see it. I guess that makes me anti-racist? I think so.
     
    Floyd, Blake, Brooks just to name a recent few. Why not idolize someone who wasn't a total scum bag? Do you mean that cops generally deal with bad guys? That might explain why the vast majority of office shooting are legitimate and good shoots.
    Sure seems that way, but in the mean time, looting cell phone stores and pharmacies will advance the cause for justice.

    I am obsessed with BLM, much like you guys are obsessed with Q or white supremacy, the only difference is that BLM actually is a problem that exists in the real world. And I do believe in calling out racism when I see it. I guess that makes me anti-racist? I think so.
    Will you at least acknowledge that not all or even most "BLM martyrs" have committed acts of violence against women?

    Also, are you saying in the post above that you do not believe that white supremacy is a problem that exists in the real world?
     
    Floyd, Blake, Brooks just to name a recent few. Why not idolize someone who wasn't a total scum bag? Do you mean that cops generally deal with bad guys? That might explain why the vast majority of office shooting are legitimate and good shoots.
    Sure seems that way, but in the mean time, looting cell phone stores and pharmacies will advance the cause for justice.

    I am obsessed with BLM, much like you guys are obsessed with Q or white supremacy, the only difference is that BLM actually is a problem that exists in the real world. And I do believe in calling out racism when I see it. I guess that makes me anti-racist? I think so.

    So you don't believe Q or white supremacy are problems in the real world? Not after Unite the Right? Not after Jan 6th? :unsure: :unsure: :unsure:

    When you make statements like that it just makes you look dumb. Yes, you and the whole right media landscape are obsessed with BLM.

    Also, nobody is idolizing anybody. If it weren't for the interactions these people had with police, nobody would know who they where.
     
    Will you at least acknowledge that not all or even most "BLM martyrs" have committed acts of violence against women?

    Also, are you saying in the post above that you do not believe that white supremacy is a problem that exists in the real world?
    I will admit not all, but I am willing to bet that most have committed crimes against females in their past.

    I am saying that. Does white supremacy exist? I am sure it does. Is it problem in this country, No. It is not.

    It probably doesn't even compare a blip on the radar compared to black supremacy/anti-white movement in this country. (Yes, I am saying those things exist and I am a snowflake).
     
    So you don't believe Q or white supremacy are problems in the real world? Not after Unite the Right? Not after Jan 6th? :unsure: :unsure: :unsure:

    When you make statements like that it just makes you look dumb. Yes, you and the whole right media landscape are obsessed with BLM.

    Also, nobody is idolizing anybody. If it weren't for the interactions these people had with police, nobody would know who they where.
    Again, I feel much the same when you all carry on about Q or whatever it is.

    Well, to be fair, the cops and LE know who they are, they more likely than not have long criminal back grounds.
     
    Again, I feel much the same when you all carry on about Q or whatever it is.

    Well, to be fair, the cops and LE know who they are, they more likely than not have long criminal back grounds.

    The way I carry on about Q? 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂

    Sure, okay. If I have 5% of the number of post on Q that you do on BLM, I'd be shocked. Shocked, I tell you!
     
    @Farb

    I actually was responding to someone else but, I literally said I don’t give a crap how someone makes money writing books. They (Coulter and Collurs) wrote it, someone published it, someone bought it. That is capitalism, I don’t know why you are having a hard time with that. Please show me where I have said otherwise.

    We all know why you really think her money is from ill gotten sources…..

    Speaking of your ilk, I have a question for you-
    At the Proud Boy meetings, are you guys mad at Tarrio for being an FBI rat? For 13 years no less! Because I would think you would be pretty mad about that. And getting locked up for stealing a flag the day before the insurrection is pretty convenient. It’s almost if your leader sold you all out.

    Finally, ask the Congresswoman from North Georgia if Q is a real thing. Or the one from Colorado who can’t read (probably)
     
    Once again you didn’t even read the “article” (seriously the Washington Times?!?) you posted.

    From your article, the whole quote:

    I was on Long Island this weekend, visiting a really dear friend,” she said. “I was really disturbed. I saw, you know, dozens and dozens of pickup trucks with you know, expletives against Joe Biden on the back of them, Trump flags, and in some cases, just dozens of American flags, which you know is also just disturbing, because essentially the message was clear, this is my country. This is not your country. I own this.”

    Cmon man you are better than this
     
    @Farb

    I actually was responding to someone else but, I literally said I don’t give a crap how someone makes money writing books. They (Coulter and Collurs) wrote it, someone published it, someone bought it. That is capitalism, I don’t know why you are having a hard time with that. Please show me where I have said otherwise.

    We all know why you really think her money is from ill gotten sources…..

    Speaking of your ilk, I have a question for you-
    At the Proud Boy meetings, are you guys mad at Tarrio for being an FBI rat? For 13 years no less! Because I would think you would be pretty mad about that. And getting locked up for stealing a flag the day before the insurrection is pretty convenient. It’s almost if your leader sold you all out.

    Finally, ask the Congresswoman from North Georgia if Q is a real thing. Or the one from Colorado who can’t read (probably)
    She can read, she keeps the minutes at our rallies and meetings.

    Glad you don't get personal, always a good sign of a strong position.
     
    Once again you didn’t even read the “article” (seriously the Washington Times?!?) you posted.

    From your article, the whole quote:

    I was on Long Island this weekend, visiting a really dear friend,” she said. “I was really disturbed. I saw, you know, dozens and dozens of pickup trucks with you know, expletives against Joe Biden on the back of them, Trump flags, and in some cases, just dozens of American flags, which you know is also just disturbing, because essentially the message was clear, this is my country. This is not your country. I own this.”

    Cmon man you are better than this
    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/v...sturbing_message_that_this_is_my_country.html

    Here is another link, you can actually watch the video of her saying it.
     
    I will admit not all, but I am willing to bet that most have committed crimes against females in their past.
    I am willing to bet that most people who refer to women as "females" have also committed crimes against women in their past.
     
    While I normally refer to women as women, is there something problematic with female?
    I don't know how many times we have to have the connotation vs. denotation discussion in this forum.

    Calling a woman a "female" often has a negative connotation except when a scientific discussion related to sex, as it subtly reduces her value to her literal sex.

    I expect Farb to go apeshit about this.
     
    While I normally refer to women as women, is there something problematic with female?

    I think he was being sarcastic.

    I use female most of the time. I guess I picked it up from the military, which probably means that it is indeed sexist.
     

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