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And this is the per capital death's per state.

NY and NJ top the list, since that's where it mostly came in from to start. So they were hit early.

Notice who else is in the top 5? Here's the top 10, deaths per 100k residents.


New Jersey: 270
Population: 8.9 million residents

New York: 250
Population: 19.4 million

Rhode Island: 244
Population: 1.1 million

Massachusetts: 242
Population: 6.9 million

Mississippi: 233
Population: 3 million

Arizona: 228
Population: 7.3 million

Connecticut: 219
Population: 3.6 million

Louisiana: 213
Population: 4.6 million

South Dakota: 216
Population: 884,659

Alabama: 211
Population: 4.9 million
 

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Unfortunately, the NE got hit hard first when there was no treatment, no supplies, no nothing. Arizona was bad because it was horrible on the Native American population. Much like I’m sure Louisiana and Alabama, 2 states which don’t rank high on health index. Unfortunately SD has no one to blame but the hapless mismanagement by their idiot governor.
 

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9 out of the 10 worst states for COVID spread are run by Republicans.

For deaths it's 50-50 in the 10 worst states... but the Democrat states had high death rates in the beginning and the Republican states had higher death rates in the last few months. That leads me to believe that strict lockdowns worked in both preventing the spread of COVID and deaths related to COVID (the "Democrat run states" had high death totals in April and May and then dropped dramatically as the lockdowns took effect). In Republican run states you had spikes in October through now in deaths -- which leads me to believe that loosening restrictions early resulted in more spread and more death.
 

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The CDC doesn't believe Florida's official covid death rate. I don't know why anyone would tout it in an comparison. Florida is also the state with the most advantageous weather for no lockdown with year round outdoor dining, and activities.
 

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The CDC doesn't believe Florida's official covid death rate. I don't know why anyone would tout it in an comparison. Florida is also the state with the most advantageous weather for no lockdown with year round outdoor dining, and activities.
You left out the part about Florida having a substantial older population which should have led to even more deaths. Can you post the CDC not believing Florida's death rate?
 

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Gotta remember who the virus hit hard in California. Not only the nursing homes, but your low income Hispanic that live in multi generational houses were hit very very hard. Due to the nature of their employment, not going to work was never an option. They went, sick or not and had massive infections. They are also a population which doesn’t use medical care. So, the vast majority of cases weren’t counted. Those workers then spread it all through households. Also, obesity, diabetes, poor overall health and poor nutrition made this very tough on them. Your white middle to upper class, heck they worked from home and chilled. The Hispanics had it tough.
 

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Not gonna defend Cuomo, but this one seems like it wouldn't have been an issue in Louisiana or some other parts of the country/world.

This is how a lot of folks just say hello. I was used to it with Family in PR, but I was a bit shocked how many people would do it in the New Orleans area. Usually you had to be somewhat 'known', but it could still be a first introduction.

However, if the "lingering around" part was true, then it was a bit more than a hello.


A woman named Sherry Vill became the 10th person to accuse New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo (D) of sexual misconduct on Monday, alleging at a press conference that the governor kissed her on both cheeks upon meeting her in 2017.

The latest allegation involves an incident Vill says occurred while the governor was touring homes, hers included, that were damaged by floodwaters from Lake Ontario. The incident was witnessed by local officials and others accompanying Cuomo for a tour of the area, according to Vill.

Speaking at a news conference hosted by attorney Gloria Allred, Vill said that while Cuomo explained the move at the time as how Italian Americans greet each other, other comments made by the governor during his tour of her home led her to believe that the gesture was sexually charged.
 

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I can't get into all of it now, but Florida is a whole lot more complicated than lockdown yes v no.

First, we did have a partial lockdown early. All of the major metro areas had mask mandates for months, early.

Overall though, I think my area of Florida, at least, has struck a pretty good balance, of allowing businesses to be open, to allow people to go about their lives, but to force or encourage widespread mask usage and testing.

I like that Schools are still mostly remote, but had to give some level of in person instruction. I get that. I like that I can go into any place to go shopping, or do online / takeout if I'd rather. If anything we've been given more choices. But the key has been fairly widespread mask usage indoors.

Outdoors, it's a bit more dicey. But we have lots of sunshine and great weather. What will be interesting is how May-October looks here if we don't keep on track with vaccines. It's getting too hot to have the windows open and out in the fresh air for too long. And people are letting their guard down a bit.

Already, one of my wife's co-workers just caught it. My wife was around here, but luckily they're both good about wearing masks at work all day. She already took a rapid test (negative result) and has another scheduled for Wednesday, just to be sure. Both were scheduled today.

That's another example of how Florida is doing it right with testing. Lots of free and fast options.

Now, I'd rather we be more consistent with mask usage and encouraging people to take personal responsibility for the public welfare. I think that's a miss.

And Florida shouldn't talk too much trash, since we're on the upswing again. A lot of that has been Miami-Dade.. they've never really dropped much. Too high of daily rates this entire time, and we have a pipeline to Brazil...
 

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How the hell is Cuomo still in office though? I don't know that all of the claims against him are valid, but considering everything, a lot of politicians have been forced out or stepped down for much, much less.
 

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How the hell is Cuomo still in office though? I don't know that all of the claims against him are valid, but considering everything, a lot of politicians have been forced out or stepped down for much, much less.
He's being stubborn at this point. He can't be forced to resign (I would assume), but I believe there was a case opened that can lead to impeachment.
 

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How the hell is Cuomo still in office though? I don't know that all of the claims against him are valid, but considering everything, a lot of politicians have been forced out or stepped down for much, much less.
They have, yes. But, they also haven't.

It's not a new thing that politicians (and others) without conscience have on occasion been able to avoid consequences by simply ignoring the demand for them and acting like they haven't done anything wrong. Enforcing consequences against those who refuse to accept them requires escalation, and people tend to be reluctant to escalate things.

It also requires resolve, and that tends to fade over time as well. After a while, without reinforcement of how bad the events were, the perception can start to become that perhaps there don't really need to be consequences, because if it was that bad, wouldn't they have already resigned? And then it's a short hop to, "Are you still going on about that? Move on already!"

We see it over and over again, "Now is not the time... ... ...and now it's time to move on!"

While it's true that acting in haste can often be unwise, the cynical exploitation of that principle to create an environment of not acting at all, both in holding individuals accountable and in reacting appropriately to events, seems to have become alarmingly dominant.
 

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