25 security clearances were forced through after initial denials (1 Viewer)

[buzd]

Another whistleblower has popped up.

Whistleblower Says White House Overturned 25 Denied Security Clearances

More than two dozen people, including two current senior officials, received security clearances after their initial denials were overturned by other top officials.

www.npr.org

 

[Dadsdream]

The Chief Executive has final authority over all classifications and clearances. Period.

 

[crosswatt]

The Chief Executive has final authority over all classifications and clearances. Period.

True. And typically take the intelligence community's findings into account when assigning areas of responsibilities to the administration members in question, if they even still wish to have them inside the workings of the government. It's a bad idea to put someone who can't even get a green badge over sensitive materials, by any metric. Regardless of whether or not you can.

 

[Saint by the Bay]

The Chief Executive has final authority over all classifications and clearances. Period.

In the immortal words of Chris Rock, "You can push an old woman down a flight of stairs, just don't do it."

Can and should are two entirely different things.

 

[DJ1BigTymer]

In the immortal words of Chris Rock, "You can push an old woman down a flight of stairs, just don't do it."

Can and should are two entirely different things.

This is especially true considering the Chief Executive in question would be incapable of being granted any clearance level if he was not the POTUS.

 

[Dadsdream]

The NPR article is tinged with people who would like to usurp classification / clearance authority or at least move it underneath a congressional oversight umbrella.

That's not how it works. Classification / clearance is an Executive Act and falls totally under the discretion of the Executive Branch, not the Legislative Branch and this has been repeatedly upheld by the Supreme Court.

The people and the article itself rely on Americans being ignorant of how their own government functions.

 

[SystemShock]

The NPR article is tinged with people who would like to usurp classification / clearance authority or at least move it underneath a congressional oversight umbrella.

That's not how it works. Classification / clearance is an Executive Act and falls totally under the discretion of the Executive Branch, not the Legislative Branch and this has been repeatedly upheld by the Supreme Court.

The people and the article itself rely on Americans being ignorant of how their own government functions.

I get the legal part of it.

However...

There is a professional group of people whose jobs are to determine (and have the tools to do so) whether someone should be given a security clearance or not, based on a set of standards (and I am sure subjectivity as well). And to ignore those findings in favor of nepotism and quid pro quo, at least should have you concerned.

I get that 1, 2, maybe 3 people could be borderline cases, but 25?

Hypothetical to make a point: what would be your reaction if Trump gave Kim Jung Un security clearance?

 

[buzd]

Hypothetical to make a point: what would be your reaction if Trump gave Kim Jung Un security clearance?

Oh be realistic. What if he gave the Russians security clearance when they dropped by the oval office?

 

[cuddlemonkey]

Oh be realistic. What if he gave the Russians security clearance when they dropped by the oval office?

He did that the moment he determined it was proper to share classified information from Israel with two Russian diplomats.

 

[Dadsdream]

And John F. Kennedy cleared classified photos of Russian missiles in Cuba for use in his presentation to the American public, over the objections of security personnel.

And FDR, over the strong objections of everybody, cleared newsreel footage of thousands of dead Marines on the beaches of Tarawa to make the public understand the cost we were paying in WWII.

Be careful not to let blind hatred of an individual hamstring the office he occupies.

 

[Saint by the Bay]

And John F. Kennedy cleared classified photos of Russian missiles in Cuba for use in his presentation to the American public, over the objections of secutity personnel.

And FDR, over the strong objections of everybody, cleared newsreel footage of thousands od dead Marines on the beaches of Tarawa to make the public understand the cost we were paying in WWII.

Which is exactly like handing out clearances to unqualified sycophants with questionable backgrounds. The similarities are striking.

 

[Dadsdream]

Which is exactly like handing out clearances to unqualified sycophants with questionable backgrounds. The similarities are striking.

The authority in question is the same, regardless who occupies the office. Remove that authority and you diminish the office and the next president may need exactly what was taken away.

 

[Saint by the Bay]

The authority in question is the same, regardless who occupies the office. Remove that authority and you diminish the office and the next president may need exactly what was taken away.

Not one person in this thread has said remove that authority. You're debating people who aren't here.

 

[crosswatt]

The authority in question is the same, regardless who occupies the office. Remove that authority and you diminish the office and the next president may need exactly what was taken away.

He totally has the right. And we totally have the right to view it as an idiotic and foolish move.

 

[Dadsdream]

Not one person in this thread has said remove that authority. You're debating people who aren't here.

Let's not confuse what we're saying here with what the people in the NPR article are suggesting.
Removing the authority from the office may not be what anybody is suggesting here, but it's certainly being implied in the NPR article.
Removing the office holder from the office would seem to be the logical remedy and I can respect that.

 

[DJ1BigTymer]

Another whistleblower has popped up.

Whistleblower Says White House Overturned 25 Denied Security Clearances

More than two dozen people, including two current senior officials, received security clearances after their initial denials were overturned by other top officials.

www.npr.org

FYI, this article is from Apr 2019

The whistle-blower, Tricia Newbold, is a little person and she said in an interview the retaliation she faced from White House staff was them placing documents she required to perform her duties out of her reach.

Let's not confuse what we're saying here with what the people in the NPR article are suggesting.
Removing the authority from the office may not be what anybody is suggesting here, but it's certainly being implied in the NPR article.
Removing the office holder from the office would seem to be the logical remedy and I can respect that.

No where in the NPR article was there an implication of removing powers away from the president. They just reported what was in her complaint and both the Republican's and Democrat's response. If you are cool with what they did, just say so, no need to make shirt up in order to defend your position.

 

[Dadsdream]

FYI, this article is from Apr 2019

The whistle-blower, Tricia Newbold, is a little person and she said in an interview the retaliation she faced from White House staff was them placing documents she required to perform her duties out of her reach.

No where in the NPR article was there an implication of removing powers away from the president. They just reported what was in her complaint and both the Republican's and Democrat's response. If you are cool with what they did, just say so, no need to make shirt up in order to defend your position.

We disagree on interpretation. I read that article and interpret it as a clarion call to curb executive power.
That's expressing a different viewpoint, not trying to "make up shirt in order to defend your position."
Our interpretations both have their merits and shortcomings.

 

[buzd]

FYI, this article is from Apr 2019

Thanks. I didn't catch that.