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    Many of Trump's endorsed candidates did not do well on Nov. 8th.
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    Gov. Ron DeSantis DID do well.
    He won convincingly.
    Yet in this OP's opinion, Donald Trump is an egomaniac who is seemingly incapable of putting "Party over Self"
    Trump has ZERO chance of being elected our next president.
    In my opinion, if Trump would just shut up and go away (fat chance of that)...but "if" Trump did that, Gov. Ron DeSantis would have a CHANCE to be a formidable candidate for President in 2024.
    Here is an interesting article on this topic...
    www.scotsman.com

    Donald Trump warns Ron DeSantis against 2024 presidential bid as Republican rising star wins big

    Donald Trump has warned Florida's Governor Ron DeSantis against running for president in 2024, saying doing so would harm the Republican Party.
    www.scotsman.com www.scotsman.com
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    What do any of you think re. Trump vs DeSantis?
     
    faceman said:
    We can survive Desantis. He's an old school right winger. Trump is far more dangerous.
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    Disagree my friend. DeSantis is more dangerous than Trump, he is a Christian nationalist and has at least some smarts….my hope is that Trump completely destroys the Republican party, they sure deserve it….
     
    Losing the evangelicals?
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    Key evangelical figures who previously supported Donald Trump are backing off now that he’s announced his third bid for the presidency.

    “Donald Trump can’t save America,” Mike Evans told the Washington Post. “He can’t even save himself.”

    Evans was part of a group of evangelicals who met with Trump at the White House, and at one point gave him an award.

    Now, he says he’s done with Trump.

    “He used us to win the White House. We had to close our mouths and eyes when he said things that horrified us,” he told the newspaper. “I cannot do that anymore.”

    Robert Jeffress, one of Trump’s evangelical advisors during the 2016 campaign and a longtime supporter, said he’s not ready to endorse him again.

    “The Republican Party is headed toward a civil war that I have no desire or need to be part of,” he told Newsweek, adding that he would “happily” support Trump again... if he wins the nomination.

    That’s not a given considering Trump’s plunging poll numbers among Republican voters. Jeffress also seemed to subtweet Trump on the day of his 2024 announcement by urging people to buy Mike Pence’s book:



    Jeffress added on Twitter that he still considers Trump “a great friend and our greatest president since Reagan.”

    Another onetime faith advisor to Trump, James Robison of Life Outreach International, said in a speech this week that Trump’s ego is getting in the way of the agenda.

    “If Mr. Trump can’t stop his little petty issues, how does he expect people to stop major issues?” he said, according to the Washington Post.

    He said he told Trump:

    “Sir, you act like a little elementary schoolchild and you shoot yourself in the foot every morning you get up and open your mouth! The more you keep your mouth closed, the more successful you’re gonna be!”
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    He did not say if he was planning to support Trump in 2024.

    Still another evangelical figure who previously endorsed Trump was even more blunt, with Washington Times columnist Everett Piper writing that Trump cost the GOP big in the midterms and could hurt them even more in two years.

    “The take-home of this past week is simple: Donald Trump has to go,” he wrote. “If he‘s our nominee in 2024, we will get destroyed.” ...............

    MSN

    www.msn.com
     
    Trump winning the nomination is the best chance they have. Trump will never sit back and endorse DeSantis or anyone else who usurps him. These people are about to find out what was patently obvious to the rest of us: Trump has no ideology other than his own narcissism. He would much prefer a Democrat in the White House than someone who beat him in the GOP primary. Because then he can keep grifting off of "I told you so!" for the rest of his life.
     
    Optimus Prime said:
    Losing the evangelicals?
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    Key evangelical figures who previously supported Donald Trump are backing off now that he’s announced his third bid for the presidency.

    “Donald Trump can’t save America,” Mike Evans told the Washington Post. “He can’t even save himself.”

    Evans was part of a group of evangelicals who met with Trump at the White House, and at one point gave him an award.

    Now, he says he’s done with Trump.

    “He used us to win the White House. We had to close our mouths and eyes when he said things that horrified us,” he told the newspaper. “I cannot do that anymore.”

    Robert Jeffress, one of Trump’s evangelical advisors during the 2016 campaign and a longtime supporter, said he’s not ready to endorse him again.

    “The Republican Party is headed toward a civil war that I have no desire or need to be part of,” he told Newsweek, adding that he would “happily” support Trump again... if he wins the nomination.

    That’s not a given considering Trump’s plunging poll numbers among Republican voters. Jeffress also seemed to subtweet Trump on the day of his 2024 announcement by urging people to buy Mike Pence’s book:



    Jeffress added on Twitter that he still considers Trump “a great friend and our greatest president since Reagan.”

    Another onetime faith advisor to Trump, James Robison of Life Outreach International, said in a speech this week that Trump’s ego is getting in the way of the agenda.

    “If Mr. Trump can’t stop his little petty issues, how does he expect people to stop major issues?” he said, according to the Washington Post.

    He said he told Trump:


    He did not say if he was planning to support Trump in 2024.

    Still another evangelical figure who previously endorsed Trump was even more blunt, with Washington Times columnist Everett Piper writing that Trump cost the GOP big in the midterms and could hurt them even more in two years.

    “The take-home of this past week is simple: Donald Trump has to go,” he wrote. “If he‘s our nominee in 2024, we will get destroyed.” ...............

    MSN

    www.msn.com
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    I find it “funny” how the Evangelists said that Trump was the chosen one by God. Now that he is not doing that well, he is no longer the chosen one?

    I didn’t think “God” made mistakes!!!
     
    Mike Lindell was full of passionate intensity. Wandering the white and gold ballroom of the Mar-a-Lago estate in Florida, the mustachioed pillow-maker predicted that Donald Trump’s candidacy for the White House would clear the Republican field.

    “After he announces today, I think [Florida governor] Ron DeSantis will end up just endorsing him,” Lindell, a rabid Trump cheerleader and conspiracy theorist, told the Guardian early on Tuesday evening.

    “I can’t imagine anybody wasting the time, effort and money of the people. We need to unite our country and there’s only man who can do that and he’ll be up on that stage. Period.”

    It did not work out that way.

    In fact Trump’s lethargic primetime speech beneath crystal chandeliers and the stars and stripes had the opposite effect, conveying the impression to many of a Yesterday’s Man who has lost his swagger, more vulnerable than ever to DeSantis and other would-be challengers in 2024.

    Far from a coronation, it also deepened what Democrats gleefully called “an all-out civil war” engulfing the Republican party in the wake of midterm elections where, despite economic discontent and historical headwinds, forecasts of a red wave were scaled down to a pink splash.

    Republicans are now soul searching over how they lost a very winnable Senate and bracing for two tumultuous years in the House of Representatives, where their wafer-thin majority is likely to enflame divisions and empower the far right………

    www.theguardian.com

    Trump campaign announcement deepens Republicans’ civil war

    Republicans are now soul searching over how they lost a very winnable Senate and bracing for two tumultuous years in the House – and many blame Trump
    www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
     
    After seeing the nearly orgasmic tweets of the Rs on Twitter after Musk went back on his word and ran a Twitter poll instead of using his “moderation panel”, I do not think Trump is done as a viable candidate. He cannot win a general election, but I think right now he would win the R nomination.
     
    Start a new thread if you must because he’s a presidential candidate, I don’t think the Twitter reinstatement is pertinent.
     
    If you believe Florida’s Republican Gov. Ron DeSantis would be a less dangerous presidential candidate than former president Donald Trump, take a moment to consider the recent ruling striking down DeSantis’s “Stop WOKE Act.” That opinion — as well as other rulings against his attempts to inhibit dissent — makes clear that DeSantis is just as willing as Trump to embrace the GOP’s authoritarian element and use state power to punish his enemies.

    To recap, the Stop WOKE Act — also perversely known as the Individual Freedom Act — is the Orwellian scheme that DeSantis signed into law earlier this year to muzzle the candid discussion of race and racism in classrooms and the workplace. As U.S. District Judge Mark E. Walker explains in his opinion, “The law officially bans professors from expressing disfavored viewpoints in university classrooms while permitting unfettered expression of the opposite viewpoints.”

    He dryly continued, “Defendants argue that, under this Act, professors enjoy ‘academic freedom’ so long as they express only those viewpoints of which the State approves.”
    DeSantis, in attempting to curtail the discussion of political positions of which he disapproves, followed in a long line of authoritarians who have attempted to paint dissent as dangerous and, therefore, unprotected.

    The law, for example, bars discussion of the concept that a person “by virtue of his or her race, color, national origin, or sex should be discriminated against or receive adverse treatment to achieve diversity, equity, or inclusion.” During oral arguments, when asked if this would bar professors from supporting affirmative action in classroom settings, attorneys for the state government answered, “Your Honor, yes.”............

    That is the essence of authoritarianism. DeSantis’s willingness to back such a monstrous violation of free expression should send up warning flags about his commitment to uphold the Constitution.

    Walker is the same judge who struck down another DeSantis assault on the First Amendment — his vague anti-riot law to quell demonstrations. In that opinion, Walker recalled, “In 1956 and 1961, Florida’s anti-riot laws were used to suppress activities threatening the state’s Jim Crow status quo.” DeSantis apparently considered such efforts commendable.

    “What’s past is prologue,” Walker wrote. “Now this Court is faced with a new definition of ‘riot’ — one that the Florida Legislature created following a summer of nationwide protest for racial justice, against police violence and the murder of George Floyd and many other people of color, and in support of the powerful statement that Black lives matter.”

    He added, “The question before this Court is whether the new definition is constitutional.” Spoiler alert: It’s not, just as Jim Crow-era laws to prevent civil rights demonstrations were not constitutional...............

     
    I sure am not under the illusion that DeSantis is less authoritarian than Trump, if anything he’s worse. Trump really doesn’t have any ideology he cares about, and will jump ship at the drop of a hat. DeSantis is serious about undermining the rights of people in Florida, and rewarding his buddies.
     
    MT15 said:
    I sure am not under the illusion that DeSantis is less authoritarian than Trump, if anything he’s worse. Trump really doesn’t have any ideology he cares about, and will jump ship at the drop of a hat. DeSantis is serious about undermining the rights of people in Florida, and rewarding his buddies.
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    Yup, anyone who doesn’t think he is as dangerous (or more so) than Trump are fooling themselves….
     
    Optimus Prime said:
    If you believe Florida’s Republican Gov. Ron DeSantis would be a less dangerous presidential candidate than former president Donald Trump, take a moment to consider the recent ruling striking down DeSantis’s “Stop WOKE Act.” That opinion — as well as other rulings against his attempts to inhibit dissent — makes clear that DeSantis is just as willing as Trump to embrace the GOP’s authoritarian element and use state power to punish his enemies.

    To recap, the Stop WOKE Act — also perversely known as the Individual Freedom Act — is the Orwellian scheme that DeSantis signed into law earlier this year to muzzle the candid discussion of race and racism in classrooms and the workplace. As U.S. District Judge Mark E. Walker explains in his opinion, “The law officially bans professors from expressing disfavored viewpoints in university classrooms while permitting unfettered expression of the opposite viewpoints.”

    He dryly continued, “Defendants argue that, under this Act, professors enjoy ‘academic freedom’ so long as they express only those viewpoints of which the State approves.”
    DeSantis, in attempting to curtail the discussion of political positions of which he disapproves, followed in a long line of authoritarians who have attempted to paint dissent as dangerous and, therefore, unprotected.

    The law, for example, bars discussion of the concept that a person “by virtue of his or her race, color, national origin, or sex should be discriminated against or receive adverse treatment to achieve diversity, equity, or inclusion.” During oral arguments, when asked if this would bar professors from supporting affirmative action in classroom settings, attorneys for the state government answered, “Your Honor, yes.”............

    That is the essence of authoritarianism. DeSantis’s willingness to back such a monstrous violation of free expression should send up warning flags about his commitment to uphold the Constitution.

    Walker is the same judge who struck down another DeSantis assault on the First Amendment — his vague anti-riot law to quell demonstrations. In that opinion, Walker recalled, “In 1956 and 1961, Florida’s anti-riot laws were used to suppress activities threatening the state’s Jim Crow status quo.” DeSantis apparently considered such efforts commendable.

    “What’s past is prologue,” Walker wrote. “Now this Court is faced with a new definition of ‘riot’ — one that the Florida Legislature created following a summer of nationwide protest for racial justice, against police violence and the murder of George Floyd and many other people of color, and in support of the powerful statement that Black lives matter.”

    He added, “The question before this Court is whether the new definition is constitutional.” Spoiler alert: It’s not, just as Jim Crow-era laws to prevent civil rights demonstrations were not constitutional...............

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    But that's them egghead perfessors, tryina brainwarsh our kids, not me, Joe-Don Bubba Briscoe. Shut 'em up, I say. Shut 'em up, lock 'em up and throw away the key!
     

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