All things political. Coronavirus Edition. (3 Viewers)

Maxp · Feb 25, 2020

I fear we are really going to be in a bad place due to the obvious cuts to the federal agencies that deal with infectious disease, but also the negative effect the Affordable Care act has had on non urban hospitals. Our front line defenses are ineffectual and our ability to treat the populous is probably at an all time low. Factor in the cost of healthcare and I can see our system crashing. What do you think about the politics of this virus?

N.O.Bronco · Apr 10, 2020

Tony1Sainstfan said:
Name 1 lie just 1. Sure he is using those words because that’s what he is supposed to say. Would you like it better if he said that things were terrible? As far as him being a buffoon I personally can’t think of a billionaire tha is a buffoon. To top that he beat the so called smartest woman in the world to become president. Ok sure he seems like a buffoon...

“I have always known. This is a real pandemic. I felt it was a pandemic long before it was called a pandemic....

“I’ve always viewed it as very serious.”

- Donald Trump, March 17

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[the virus] “is contained” and “under control.”

“It’s going to disappear”

“We have very little problem in this country”

“15 people, and the 15 within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero, that’s a pretty good job we’ve done.”

- Donald Trump, Mid-February

N.O.Bronco · Apr 10, 2020

Tony1Sainstfan said:
I didn’t say falsely accused the article did. For the rest....

The Lies of Donald Trump's Critics, and How They Shape His Many Personas
An in-depth analysis of the false allegations and misleading claims made against the 45th President since his inauguration.
www.snopes.com

A Timeline of the Coronavirus Pandemic
The outbreak of the virus has sickened more than 80 million people. At least 1.7 million people have died. Here’s how the year unfolded.
www.nytimes.com

You realize your first link ultimately concludes that much of the criticism is rooted in truth and acknowledges there are a lot of lies and cruelty coming from the Trump administration, correct? That just focused on the incorrect exaggerations or unverified allegations against him? So that in no way supports your claim that the president hasn’t lied.

And if Snopes is a trusted source, they are a trusted source amirite?

Is This Timeline of Trump's Coronavirus Responses Accurate?

U.S. President Donald Trump claimed that he felt COVID-19 was a pandemic "long before it was called a pandemic," but his previous recorded statements paint a different picture.

www.snopes.com

Lapaz · Apr 10, 2020

Tony1Sainstfan said:
Biden Falsely Accused Trump of Cutting CDC Funding. Obama Administration Proposed Cuts for Years.
townhall.com

Trump's budget proposals have cut the CDC. Congress pushes back, but Trump keeps trying to cut the CDC every year, or just ignores programs that are about to lose their funding. Trump started proposing cuts to the NIH and CDC from his first budget. The only reason funding hasn't been cut more is due to bi-partisan support from congress, despite Trump. Here is an article about Trump's first budget impacting the NIH and CDC from 2017:

The Trump budget: what does it mean for global health?

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Farb · Apr 10, 2020

https://www.dailywire.com/news/iran...navirus-numbers-a-bitter-joke-not-trustworthy

China's best buddy is getting a little frustrated by the numbers between towing the company line and pushing Chinese propaganda.

Lapaz · Apr 10, 2020

Farb said:
https://www.dailywire.com/news/iran...navirus-numbers-a-bitter-joke-not-trustworthy

China's best buddy is getting a little frustrated by the numbers between towing the company line and pushing Chinese propaganda.

Well if China actually lost over 40k people, and only had 82k cases, then that's a 50% death rate, while their numbers indicate about a 4.3% death rate. South Korea's death rate is sitting at about 3%, and does anyone think their numbers are falsified? I find it hard to believe that China's numbers would be that much higher, unless they just started killing people that were sick, which is possible. It could be that China was unprepared, and had massively higher deaths.

Andrus · Apr 10, 2020

Lapaz said:
Well if China actually lost over 40k people, and only had 82k cases, then that's a 50% death rate, while their numbers indicate about a 4.3% death rate. South Korea's death rate is sitting at about 3%, and does anyone think their numbers are falsified? I find it hard to believe that China's numbers would be that much higher, unless they just started killing people that were sick, which is possible. It could be that China was unprepared, and had massively higher deaths.

If China did lie about the number of deaths, then would it not make sense that they lied about the number of cases, too, making it many times what was reported?

Eeyore · Apr 10, 2020

Beach Friends · Apr 10, 2020

Eeyore said:

It really doesn't matter what he does, it's going to be wrong.

For better or worse, much of the nation has acquired immunity since the complaining has been constant.

The moose · Apr 10, 2020

Eeyore said:

That is an absolute riot.

That saved two of the three auto makers so if gm and Dodge went belly up how many jobs would have been lost?

Who is he even talking to? People that were not alive?

Zombiewoof · Apr 10, 2020

Eeyore said:

When posting a tweet or a link, it is best to let people know what you think about it or at the very least, say how it is related to the thread topic.

Intensesaint · Apr 10, 2020

Lapaz said:
Well if China actually lost over 40k people, and only had 82k cases, then that's a 50% death rate, while their numbers indicate about a 4.3% death rate. South Korea's death rate is sitting at about 3%, and does anyone think their numbers are falsified? I find it hard to believe that China's numbers would be that much higher, unless they just started killing people that were sick, which is possible. It could be that China was unprepared, and had massively higher deaths.

You actually believe China's numbers?

Lapaz · Apr 10, 2020

Intensesaint said:
You actually believe China's numbers?

No. The numbers come from the article that theorize that their actual fatalities are over 42k, which is over 50% fatality rate. China is only reporting 3.6k deaths. I think that’s low, but i’ll Be shocked if it actually exceeds 40k.

Lapaz · Apr 10, 2020

Andrus said:
If China did lie about the number of deaths, then would it not make sense that they lied about the number of cases, too, making it many times what was reported?

Yes, that’s probably true. They probably have much more than 82k cases. Since the expected fatality rate is probably 5%, if they actually had 40k cases, then it is reasonable to think they had 1M cases. However, I have no idea how they would’ve been able to cope with that in that one region. Hard to know if they actually just had a huge death rate due to triaging them with the reported cases or were able to somehow handle a huge unreported case load.

superchuck500 · Apr 10, 2020

Oh look, it’s just the president of the US, talkin’ that shirt.

The moose · Apr 10, 2020

Here is a feel good story about some hard working people from Ohio making a real difference.

In Ohio, the Amish Take On the Coronavirus

SUGARCREEK, Ohio — On April 1, John Miller, a manufacturer here with deep connections to the close-knit Amish community of Central Ohio, got a call from Cleveland Clinic. The hospital system was struggling to find protective face masks for its 55,000 employees, plus visitors. Could his team sew...

news.google.com

The moose · Apr 10, 2020

Intensesaint said:
You actually believe China's numbers?

I don't believe our numbers either.

We are not counting nursing home deaths in this. Hospitals are not accepting nursing home residents they let them die at the home and we are not counting most of them.

The moose · Apr 10, 2020

superchuck500 said:
Oh look, it’s just the president of the US, talkin’ that shirt.

Yeah this idiot doesn't know antibiotics only work on bacteria.

That is the idiot in charge of this?

Lord help us.

Farb · Apr 10, 2020

Honestly, any honest person would take that on on the face as correct. So there is not a bacteria that we know about Staph?

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